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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 15, 2011 9:25:54 GMT -8
Who is the clubhouse leader? Who fires up the players? The Pads lost all their veteran leadership in the off season and did a crappy job of replacing Yorvit, Eck, Hairston and others. Who leads this group? I just don't see a leader in the dugout. Bell seems to show the most when he's on the field or in the pen but that doesn't help the guys in the dugout. Who is the leader Bill?
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Post by untitled on Jul 15, 2011 20:53:02 GMT -8
They're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. They take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 10:08:33 GMT -8
Why is this thread directed at Bill?
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 17, 2011 12:05:46 GMT -8
Why is this thread directed at Bill? It wasn't. I asked Bill since he has answers for everything Padres. What's your answer?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 21:18:44 GMT -8
I don't know. I'm not inside the clubhouse. I would think guys like Orlando Hudson, Ryan Ludwick. and Aaron Harang who have been around the league for a while and are vocal would be leaders. But ideally you would want it to be someone whose been on the team for a while like Headley.
If this Padres team is leaderless, it's certainly not even in the top 8 of their concerns.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 18, 2011 12:42:49 GMT -8
If this Padres team is leaderless, it's certainly not even in the top 8 of their concerns. Not sure how you can truly believe that. Last year they had Eck and Torrealba, who the Latin players looked up to, and Hairston on the bench. That team played hard and hustled. This team is waiting for something to happen and rarely is anybody making it happen. Their not taking the extra bases. They're not running much. They're not forcing the issue as they did last year. Of course to do that, you first have to get on base. Watching the dugout when TV shows it, nobody is really fired up and getting the others fired up too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 15:48:28 GMT -8
Last year we had Adrian Gonzalez.
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 19, 2011 22:27:17 GMT -8
Funny- I forgot to mention Agon from last year. No leadership this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 22:45:14 GMT -8
Both Bruce and Tec are correct. The team does look listless, lifeless, and leaderless. That might be a lack of leadership among players; it also might be a function of something Black is or isn't doing. All I know is that they're not half as aggressive as they were last year. Anyone can see that it's a AAAA team at best, but if you're gonna die, die with your boots on (if you're gonna die). Tec is right in that with AG gone, there is maybe one legit power threat in the lineup. Hell it was bad enough last year. This year they can pitch around every single guy in our lineup. That's not good. I hate your posts.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 20, 2011 8:59:01 GMT -8
If this Padres team is leaderless, it's certainly not even in the top 8 of their concerns. Not sure how you can truly believe that. Last year they had Eck and Torrealba, who the Latin players looked up to, and Hairston on the bench. That team played hard and hustled. This team is waiting for something to happen and rarely is anybody making it happen. Their not taking the extra bases. They're not running much. They're not forcing the issue as they did last year. Of course to do that, you first have to get on base. Watching the dugout when TV shows it, nobody is really fired up and getting the others fired up too. It could be perception. When a team is losing everything looks worse. Winning makes teams seem to play harder and hustle more and winning gives players more life. As far as running goes...we have numbers to fall back on. Running 2010124 Stolen Bases 50 Caught Stealing Running 2011 (adjusted to 162 games) 165 Stolen Bases 45 Caught Stealing So they are running more and getting caught less than last year.
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 20, 2011 21:12:34 GMT -8
It looks like Nick H is taking over the verbal leadership role. Good for him. He's playing well right now.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 22, 2011 7:48:36 GMT -8
Both Bruce and ...Tec is right in that with AG gone, there is maybe one legit power threat in the lineup. Hell it was bad enough last year. This year they can pitch around every single guy in our lineup. That's not good. And yet the Padres have scored more runs since the All-Star break than Adrian's Red Sox. The Padres are 3rd in baseball in scoring since the all star break (and only 2 runs behind Texas) and #1 in the NL in scoring. The Padres have scored 85 more runs than the Giants since the All-Star break. That is a team that is really bad offensively.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 7:56:16 GMT -8
Both Bruce and ...Tec is right in that with AG gone, there is maybe one legit power threat in the lineup. Hell it was bad enough last year. This year they can pitch around every single guy in our lineup. That's not good. And yet the Padres have scored more runs since the All-Star break than Adrian's Red Sox. The Padres are 3rd in baseball in scoring since the all star break (and only 2 runs behind Texas) and #1 in the NL in scoring. The Padres have scored 85 more runs than the Giants since the All-Star break. That is a team that is really bad offensively. The Red Sox have scored 670 runs on the season and the Padres have scored 496. The Red Sox have won 77 games playing in the same division as the Yankees and Rays and the Padres have won 59 games playing in the same division as the Giants and D-Backs. Bill your stats are so ludicrous. I didn't realize a few weeks of a good offense makes up for AN ENTIRE YEAR OF SUCKING
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 22, 2011 8:24:50 GMT -8
And yet the Padres have scored more runs since the All-Star break than Adrian's Red Sox. The Padres are 3rd in baseball in scoring since the all star break (and only 2 runs behind Texas) and #1 in the NL in scoring. The Padres have scored 85 more runs than the Giants since the All-Star break. That is a team that is really bad offensively. The Red Sox have scored 670 runs on the season and the Padres have scored 496. The Red Sox have won 77 games playing in the same division as the Yankees and Rays and the Padres have won 59 games playing in the same division as the Giants and D-Backs. Bill your stats are so ludicrous. I didn't realize a few weeks of a good offense makes up for AN ENTIRE YEAR OF SUCKING But for the whole year the Padres are one of the top teams in scoring on the road. Petco Park suppresses runs. The Padres have been much better at scoring at home over the past 6 weeks. That is why they lead the NL in scoring over that period. It is a very good sign for next year - just like the end of 2009 signalled a much better 2010. Winning is a different issue - John was talking offense. If you want to talk about winning we can.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 10:23:01 GMT -8
The Red Sox have scored 670 runs on the season and the Padres have scored 496. The Red Sox have won 77 games playing in the same division as the Yankees and Rays and the Padres have won 59 games playing in the same division as the Giants and D-Backs. Bill your stats are so ludicrous. I didn't realize a few weeks of a good offense makes up for AN ENTIRE YEAR OF SUCKING But for the whole year the Padres are one of the top teams in scoring on the road. Petco Park suppresses runs. The Padres have been much better at scoring at home over the past 6 weeks. That is why they lead the NL in scoring over that period. It is a very good sign for next year - just like the end of 2009 signalled a much better 2010. Winning is a different issue - John was talking offense. If you want to talk about winning we can. Well since you win by scoring more runs than the opponent I would say scoring runs is correlated to winning. So what you're saying is you want to DISCREDIT the Padres statistics at home when they are doing poorly, but you want to give them credit for their runs at home when they are doing well. If you throw out the home stats then you throw out the home stats. You can't pick and choose when they are valid and when they are not.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 22, 2011 10:51:32 GMT -8
But for the whole year the Padres are one of the top teams in scoring on the road. Petco Park suppresses runs. The Padres have been much better at scoring at home over the past 6 weeks. That is why they lead the NL in scoring over that period. It is a very good sign for next year - just like the end of 2009 signalled a much better 2010. Winning is a different issue - John was talking offense. If you want to talk about winning we can. Well since you win by scoring more runs than the opponent I would say scoring runs is correlated to winning. So what you're saying is you want to DISCREDIT the Padres statistics at home when they are doing poorly, but you want to give them credit for their runs at home when they are doing well. If you throw out the home stats then you throw out the home stats. You can't pick and choose when they are valid and when they are not. I can do whatever I want. There are no rules. Maybe you would like the narrative better. The Padres scored badly at home for the first 3 months of the season. That brought down their overall runs scored by offsetting very good road scoring. Since then the Padres have begun to hit better at home and have therefore scored more runs than any team in the NL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 11:10:28 GMT -8
Well since you win by scoring more runs than the opponent I would say scoring runs is correlated to winning. So what you're saying is you want to DISCREDIT the Padres statistics at home when they are doing poorly, but you want to give them credit for their runs at home when they are doing well. If you throw out the home stats then you throw out the home stats. You can't pick and choose when they are valid and when they are not. I can do whatever I want. There are no rules. Maybe you would like the narrative better. The Padres scored badly at home for the first 3 months of the season. That brought down their overall runs scored by offsetting very good road scoring. Since then the Padres have begun to hit better at home and have therefore scored more runs than any team in the NL. Got it. You can do whatever statistical analysis you want. Just know that they are completly invalid.
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Post by aztecbruce on Aug 22, 2011 11:59:22 GMT -8
Girls Girls....
this thread is about LEADERSHIP on the Padres. Not runs scored or whateverthef**k stats Bill wants to show.
Nick Hundley is showing some leadership to me.
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Post by aztecron on Aug 22, 2011 14:07:13 GMT -8
Girls Girls.... this thread is about LEADERSHIP on the Padres. Not runs scored or whateverthef**k stats Bill wants to show. Nick Hundley is showing some leadership to me. I agree, leadership moving forward in my opinion, will be provided by Hundley and Headley.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 22, 2011 14:13:07 GMT -8
I can do whatever I want. There are no rules. Maybe you would like the narrative better. The Padres scored badly at home for the first 3 months of the season. That brought down their overall runs scored by offsetting very good road scoring. Since then the Padres have begun to hit better at home and have therefore scored more runs than any team in the NL. Got it. You can do whatever statistical analysis you want. Just know that they are completely invalid. It is not "completely invalid". It shows what it shows. Just because it doesn't reveal some overall truth you are seeking doesn't mean it doesn't reveal some smaller truth that the larger truths consist of.
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