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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 10:22:08 GMT -8
Which ones? The flip-flop, I'm off all summer shoes? The Uggs, I'm off all winter shoes? The Whoopie! I'm off for spring break shoes? The casual "professional" development day shoes? The comfortable walkin' the picket line shoes? You need to specify. There are so many. A few of my clients are teachers. They work hard for their money. Many of their work hours are in the evening and on week-ends. Class prep and grading does not happen between the bells. Everyone has out of pocket expenses for classroom supplys that always are in multiples of a hundred, if not over a thousand dollars a year. I don't think you know much about what a teacher does. What I know is that in the real world, a typical man/yr is slightly over 2000 hrs. Teacher contracts are substantially lower, somewhere in the 1500 hour range yet they whine like their students because they think their pay should be equivalent to professionals that work much harder and much longer for their money. What I also know is that in the private sector and especially if you own your own business, 1 man year is often times double that number and nobody cries, nobody strikes and nobody expects to be celebrated for the "extra" hours they put in. I also know that many folks oin the private sector also have expenses they pay for out of their own pocket and once again, they do not expect society at large to celebrate their contribution. |
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Post by temeculaaztec on Feb 15, 2011 13:45:33 GMT -8
A few of my clients are teachers. They work hard for their money. Many of their work hours are in the evening and on week-ends. Class prep and grading does not happen between the bells. Everyone has out of pocket expenses for classroom supplys that always are in multiples of a hundred, if not over a thousand dollars a year. I don't think you know much about what a teacher does. What I know is that in the real world, a typical man/yr is slightly over 2000 hrs. Teacher contracts are substantially lower, somewhere in the 1500 hour range yet they whine like their students because they think their pay should be equivalent to professionals that work much harder and much longer for their money. What I also know is that in the private sector and especially if you own your own business, 1 man year is often times double that number and nobody cries, nobody strikes and nobody expects to be celebrated for the "extra" hours they put in. I also know that many folks oin the private sector also have expenses they pay for out of their own pocket and once again, they do not expect society at large to celebrate their contribution. Please come and join me in educating our youth. As a teacher and coach, I don't come in here with sackcloth and ash. My day starts at 6:30am and I go home about 3:30pm (except during the season, I am usually at school for 3-6 more hours including most every Saturday). I work every summer usually for no pay running my basketball program. I spend 2 hours each evening grading papers(I teach AP classes)...and go in on weekends when necessary as a professional obligation. But, I chose my profession and am not asking for any sympathy....as a father of three young children, I have a duty to provide the best I can for my family...and if that means advocating for better pay and medical benefits for teachers, then that is what I will do...and I don't apologize for it. I am that politically conservative teacher thats fights my union on many issues, but I am a member because collective bargaining is how things are done in CA. I don't like how our Union Leadership supports many liberal causes that have nothing to do with education (Prop. 8 for example). I believe Unions should stick to the bread and butter issues of Salary, benefits and working conditions. Its not an easy job and much more stressful than private sector jobs in management that I have held (I was a House Manager for Edwards Cinemas at age 21). But when a student sends you a personal note thanking you for inspiration or crediting you for their own success, it makes it all worth it. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Feb 15, 2011 15:06:48 GMT -8
A few of my clients are teachers. They work hard for their money. Many of their work hours are in the evening and on week-ends. Class prep and grading does not happen between the bells. Everyone has out of pocket expenses for classroom supplys that always are in multiples of a hundred, if not over a thousand dollars a year. I don't think you know much about what a teacher does. What I know is that in the real world, a typical man/yr is slightly over 2000 hrs. Teacher contracts are substantially lower, somewhere in the 1500 hour range yet they whine like their students because they think their pay should be equivalent to professionals that work much harder and much longer for their money. What I also know is that in the private sector and especially if you own your own business, 1 man year is often times double that number and nobody cries, nobody strikes and nobody expects to be celebrated for the "extra" hours they put in. I also know that many folks oin the private sector also have expenses they pay for out of their own pocket and once again, they do not expect society at large to celebrate their contribution. I have worked for private industry for over 30 years and at NO TIME have I ever been expected to subsidize, out of my own pocket, the business I work for. While in some professions a worker is expected to provide certain tools, etc. to perform their jobs, they are NEVER expected to provide the nails or lumber to construct the house. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 15, 2011 16:14:23 GMT -8
What I know is that in the real world, a typical man/yr is slightly over 2000 hrs. Teacher contracts are substantially lower, somewhere in the 1500 hour range yet they whine like their students because they think their pay should be equivalent to professionals that work much harder and much longer for their money. What I also know is that in the private sector and especially if you own your own business, 1 man year is often times double that number and nobody cries, nobody strikes and nobody expects to be celebrated for the "extra" hours they put in. I also know that many folks oin the private sector also have expenses they pay for out of their own pocket and once again, they do not expect society at large to celebrate their contribution. Please come and join me in educating our youth. As a teacher and coach, I don't come in here with sackcloth and ash. My day starts at 6:30am and I go home about 3:30pm (except during the season, I am usually at school for 3-6 more hours including most every Saturday). I work every summer usually for no pay running my basketball program. I spend 2 hours each evening grading papers(I teach AP classes)...and go in on weekends when necessary as a professional obligation. But, I chose my profession and am not asking for any sympathy....as a father of three young children, I have a duty to provide the best I can for my family...and if that means advocating for better pay and medical benefits for teachers, then that is what I will do...and I don't apologize for it. I am that politically conservative teacher thats fights my union on many issues, but I am a member because collective bargaining is how things are done in CA. I don't like how our Union Leadership supports many liberal causes that have nothing to do with education (Prop. 8 for example). I believe Unions should stick to the bread and butter issues of Salary, benefits and working conditions. Its not an easy job and much more stressful than private sector jobs in management that I have held (I was a House Manager for Edwards Cinemas at age 21). But when a student sends you a personal note thanking you for inspiration or crediting you for their own success, it makes it all worth it. Now this is a responsible position. Look out for your own best interest while voicing opposition to issues that are counter to your values. |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 21, 2011 9:59:37 GMT -8
A few of my clients are teachers. They work hard for their money. Many of their work hours are in the evening and on week-ends. Class prep and grading does not happen between the bells. Everyone has out of pocket expenses for classroom supplys that always are in multiples of a hundred, if not over a thousand dollars a year. I don't think you know much about what a teacher does. What I know is that in the real world, a typical man/yr is slightly over 2000 hrs. Teacher contracts are substantially lower, somewhere in the 1500 hour range yet they whine like their students because they think their pay should be equivalent to professionals that work much harder and much longer for their money. What I also know is that in the private sector and especially if you own your own business, 1 man year is often times double that number and nobody cries, nobody strikes and nobody expects to be celebrated for the "extra" hours they put in. I also know that many folks oin the private sector also have expenses they pay for out of their own pocket and once again, they do not expect society at large to celebrate their contribution. Poor beat on self employed saints! Give me a teacher anytime. Every-time I deal with a self employed person I have to become an expert in their field so I do not get screwed. I have had to come to my sons rescue after some self employed moron tried to take advantage of them so many times it has become a running joke in my house. Who cares if some self employed person works himself to death. I know a several self employed people and they are well compensated for their hours. Teachers are contributing to the welfare of all of us. And they are not paid commensurate with their effort time or contribution to our welfare. Self employed are in it to make money. The general welfare is not their concern. To compare the self employed to teachers is the funniest thing I ever read. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 21, 2011 10:39:55 GMT -8
Who calculated the 1500 hours figure? From LONG personal experience, I would say that a typical teacher works at least 50 hours a week. That includes time at school and time elsewhere planning lessons, correcting papers, meeting with parents, attending staff meetings, etc. Calculate that out over a school year and you will get somewhere in the 2000 total hour range. Or more!
Anyone who thinks teaching, especially these days, is easy, should try it on for size. I have seen lots of ex-teachers who did try for a couple of years, threw up there hands, and headed for the exit.
All things considered, we are lucky to have as many good teachers as we have.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 21, 2011 10:47:42 GMT -8
Oh, yes, one more thing about public school teachers. It is quite common for teachers to buy, paying with their own money, materials and supplies that are not available from the school supply room. They do that because they want to provide more value to their students.
Again I say, just volunteer for a few days in some public school. And make sure you are not doing that in an honors class. Ask to help out in a more problematic class, such as algebra for kids who are in the bottom quartile of their age group. It will be an eye opener.
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 21, 2011 12:32:53 GMT -8
Who calculated the 1500 hours figure? From LONG personal experience, I would say that a typical teacher works at least 50 hours a week. That includes time at school and time elsewhere planning lessons, correcting papers, meeting with parents, attending staff meetings, etc. Calculate that out over a school year and you will get somewhere in the 2000 total hour range. Or more! Anyone who thinks teaching, especially these days, is easy, should try it on for size. I have seen lots of ex-teachers who did try for a couple of years, threw up there hands, and headed for the exit. All things considered, we are lucky to have as many good teachers as we have. AzWm For the government, 2080 hours is a standard work year down from 2087. I suspect that is more or less standard. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 14:55:26 GMT -8
Who calculated the 1500 hours figure? From LONG personal experience, I would say that a typical teacher works at least 50 hours a week. That includes time at school and time elsewhere planning lessons, correcting papers, meeting with parents, attending staff meetings, etc. Calculate that out over a school year and you will get somewhere in the 2000 total hour range. Or more! Anyone who thinks teaching, especially these days, is easy, should try it on for size. I have seen lots of ex-teachers who did try for a couple of years, threw up there hands, and headed for the exit. All things considered, we are lucky to have as many good teachers as we have. AzWm It's not how long a teacher actually works (subjective and variable), it's how how many hr/yr. they are contractually obligated to work (negotiated and fixed). Are teachers required to work during Summer Vacation? (- 3months)? Over Winter Break (-1mo)? Spring Break (-1week)? MLK Day? Presidents Day? etc. Do the math. A teachers salary is based on FAR fewer hours/yr than the average professional. I'm not here to attack teachers. I'm only pointing out the obvious; teachers have no basis whatever to proclaim they work any harder or any longer than other professionals. In FACT, the reverse is true by almost any objective measure. I'm not addressing the teacher "hero's" amongst us. There is no teacher that would openly admit that they do the minimum necessary to keep their jobs yet we all know they exist because there is no area in life where such people don't exist. Likewise, it's virtually impossible to get someone from within government/educational complex to admit that incompetent teachers exist yet we all know they do. These are stances not based in reality. They are instead, negotiating positions. The unions exist to protect the lazy and incompetent. To the extent that the energetic and competent teachers continue to support such a system, they are guilty of not providing our children with the best education we as a society can provide regardless of their individual heroics. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 14:57:41 GMT -8
What I know is that in the real world, a typical man/yr is slightly over 2000 hrs. Teacher contracts are substantially lower, somewhere in the 1500 hour range yet they whine like their students because they think their pay should be equivalent to professionals that work much harder and much longer for their money. What I also know is that in the private sector and especially if you own your own business, 1 man year is often times double that number and nobody cries, nobody strikes and nobody expects to be celebrated for the "extra" hours they put in. I also know that many folks oin the private sector also have expenses they pay for out of their own pocket and once again, they do not expect society at large to celebrate their contribution. Poor beat on self employed saints! Give me a teacher anytime. Every-time I deal with a self employed person I have to become an expert in their field so I do not get screwed. I have had to come to my sons rescue after some self employed moron tried to take advantage of them so many times it has become a running joke in my house. Who cares if some self employed person works himself to death. I know a several self employed people and they are well compensated for their hours. Teachers are contributing to the welfare of all of us. And they are not paid commensurate with their effort time or contribution to our welfare. Self employed are in it to make money. The general welfare is not their concern. To compare the self employed to teachers is the funniest thing I ever read. Good. Next time you need someone to unclog the sink, call the government. Better, call a teacher. |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 21, 2011 15:06:49 GMT -8
Poor beat on self employed saints! Give me a teacher anytime. Every-time I deal with a self employed person I have to become an expert in their field so I do not get screwed. I have had to come to my sons rescue after some self employed moron tried to take advantage of them so many times it has become a running joke in my house. Who cares if some self employed person works himself to death. I know a several self employed people and they are well compensated for their hours. Teachers are contributing to the welfare of all of us. And they are not paid commensurate with their effort time or contribution to our welfare. Self employed are in it to make money. The general welfare is not their concern. To compare the self employed to teachers is the funniest thing I ever read. Good. Next time you need someone to unclog the sink, call the government. Better, call a teacher. I will. Then at least I won't get screwed, by some idiot who could not care less about anything but their wallet. To be truthful, I learned how to do most of it myself. I almost never go to a local business for a household repair. I employ someone only when the code says I must. I found that I do it better than they do and I only have to pay for the tools and parts, which are usually of higher quality than they foist on me. I do it for my sons also. The most recent example was a brake job, the local business genius wanted $730.00 for. I adjusted the brake cable, located in his Acura between the front seats. Six months and they work fine - and for free too. See, actually, I am a good conservative. I rely on myself. I depend on possible Republicans for nothing - when I can get away with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 15:22:34 GMT -8
Good. Next time you need someone to unclog the sink, call the government. Better, call a teacher. I will. Then at least I won't get screwed, by some idiot who could not care less about anything but their wallet. To be truthful, I learned how to do most of it myself. I almost never go to a local business for a household repair. I employ someone only when the code says I must. I found that I do it better than they do and I only have to pay for the tools and parts, which are usually of higher quality than they foist on me. Good for you showing your good ol' American self -reliance. Good luck with sewing your own clothes, growing your own food, building your own car, manufacturing your own computer, making your own pencils forging your own cooking utensils and manufacturing all of those tools and components your use while demonstrating your self-reliance. I have my own copy of Eagleware Genesys software if you'd care to design your own cell phone. I'll lease you some time on my machine. I'm not the government so it won't come free. |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 21, 2011 15:32:15 GMT -8
I will. Then at least I won't get screwed, by some idiot who could not care less about anything but their wallet. To be truthful, I learned how to do most of it myself. I almost never go to a local business for a household repair. I employ someone only when the code says I must. I found that I do it better than they do and I only have to pay for the tools and parts, which are usually of higher quality than they foist on me. Good for you showing your good ol' American self -reliance. Good luck with sewing your own clothes, growing your own food, building your own car, manufacturing your own computer, making your own pencils forging your own cooking utensils and manufacturing all of those tools and components your use while demonstrating your self-reliance. I have my own copy of Eagleware Genesys software if you'd care to design your own cell phone. I'll lease you some time on my machine. I'm not the government so it won't come free. If you can learn it, believe me I can. And I won't have to support parasites, like small business. We do to much too support small business parasites. They should depend on themselves or give real value in return. All they do is take your hard earned money and give you crap. Businesses are too dependent on my money and I don't want to support them any more. I say lower my payments to small business. There are too many of them, anyway. There should be a law limiting the amount of our subsidy to them. Limit small business!! Smaller small business! Lower my payments to small business! |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 21, 2011 16:16:10 GMT -8
Good for you showing your good ol' American self -reliance. Good luck with sewing your own clothes, growing your own food, building your own car, manufacturing your own computer, making your own pencils forging your own cooking utensils and manufacturing all of those tools and components your use while demonstrating your self-reliance. I have my own copy of Eagleware Genesys software if you'd care to design your own cell phone. I'll lease you some time on my machine. I'm not the government so it won't come free. If you can learn it, believe me I can. And I won't have to support parasites, like small business. We do to much too support small business parasites. They should depend on themselves or give real value in return. All they do is take your hard earned money and give you crap. Businesses are too dependent on my money and I don't want to support them any more. I say lower my payments to small business. There are too many of them, anyway. There should be a law limiting the amount of our subsidy to them. Limit small business!! Smaller small business! Lower my payments to small business! I am very sorry you feel that way. I am a small business owner and firmly believe that I give fair service for the fees and commissions that I earn. Evidently my clients do as well as some have returned for more than 20 years to use my services. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 21, 2011 16:57:07 GMT -8
If you can learn it, believe me I can. And I won't have to support parasites, like small business. We do to much too support small business parasites. They should depend on themselves or give real value in return. All they do is take your hard earned money and give you crap. Businesses are too dependent on my money and I don't want to support them any more. I say lower my payments to small business. There are too many of them, anyway. There should be a law limiting the amount of our subsidy to them. Limit small business!! Smaller small business! Lower my payments to small business! I am very sorry you feel that way. I am a small business owner and firmly believe that I give fair service for the fees and commissions that I earn. Evidently my clients do as well as some have returned for more than 20 years to use my services. Dang! A good argument! Just one question, does your website first provide a link to TurboTax?  Just kidding, CPAs and EAs are very important while we have this tax code that is so complicated that even professionals get it wrong a good portion of the time. Save yourself some aggravation and get a professional to sign your return and have a clue about how to defend you when you get that dreaded audit letter. It must be very hard for Inocuace to live in a world where small business provides the bulk of jobs in this country, when he hates them for no really good reason. When I have things that need to be done around here, I have a "handyman" who is an out of work plumber. He works reasonably and does a bang up job on just about anything. I use him even on things that I can do myself. He does it faster and I don't have to drive to Lowe's get buy tools and parts. I do use TurboTax however. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 17:43:46 GMT -8
Good. Next time you need someone to unclog the sink, call the government. Better, call a teacher. I will. Then at least I won't get screwed, by some idiot who could not care less about anything but their wallet. To be truthful, I learned how to do most of it myself. I almost never go to a local business for a household repair. I employ someone only when the code says I must. I found that I do it better than they do and I only have to pay for the tools and parts, which are usually of higher quality than they foist on me. I do it for my sons also. The most recent example was a brake job, the local business genius wanted $730.00 for. I adjusted the brake cable, located in his Acura between the front seats. Six months and they work fine - and for free too. See, actually, I am a good conservative. I rely on myself. I depend on possible Republicans for nothing - when I can get away with it. So have you declared a major yet? |
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Post by uwaztec on Feb 21, 2011 19:30:46 GMT -8
I will. Then at least I won't get screwed, by some idiot who could not care less about anything but their wallet. To be truthful, I learned how to do most of it myself. I almost never go to a local business for a household repair. I employ someone only when the code says I must. I found that I do it better than they do and I only have to pay for the tools and parts, which are usually of higher quality than they foist on me. I do it for my sons also. The most recent example was a brake job, the local business genius wanted $730.00 for. I adjusted the brake cable, located in his Acura between the front seats. Six months and they work fine - and for free too. See, actually, I am a good conservative. I rely on myself. I depend on possible Republicans for nothing - when I can get away with it. So have you declared a major yet? AFAN = Jim Rome...in more ways than one?  |
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