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Post by aztec70 on Feb 8, 2011 11:04:57 GMT -8
Man, did I ever make a mistake back in my twenties. I should have gotten on the gravy train like William and aztecwin. Instead of working into my 60's I could have been retired and complaining about the government. ;D
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 8, 2011 13:28:50 GMT -8
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 9, 2011 14:15:48 GMT -8
How right you are! Dealing for 30 years with recalcitrant adolescents who think they are interned enemy combatants and who display minimal interest in learning (if that) is such a snap.  As for complaining about the government, I thought (based on what the Dems said during the G.W. Bush admin.) that dissent was the highest form of patriotism. AzWm PS: By the way, today I am subbing for a teacher here in Fallbrook. So, you see, my decades of experience are not being wasted. Instead they are being put to use for the benefit of the public. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Feb 9, 2011 14:18:05 GMT -8
Dealing for 30 years with recalcitrant adolescents who think they are interned enemy combatants and who display minimal interest in learning (if that) is such a snap. My wife, the teacher, will get a kick out of this. |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 13, 2011 9:08:10 GMT -8
How right you are! Dealing for 30 years with recalcitrant adolescents who think they are interned enemy combatants and who display minimal interest in learning (if that) is such a snap. As for complaining about the government, I thought (based on what the Dems said during the G.W. Bush admin.) that dissent was the highest form of patriotism. AzWm PS: By the way, today I am subbing for a teacher here in Fallbrook. So, you see, my decades of experience are not being wasted. Instead they are being put to use for the benefit of the public. I admire your willingness to teach. If we paid teachers according to their value to society and basketball players to theirs, Lebron ("He needs a little Lovin') James would be teaching. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Feb 13, 2011 9:41:01 GMT -8
Sir John Fricke said it best, "the only thing constant is change."
A constant desire to learn and a little luck can minimize the swings of change.
What?
I did.
HAM
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Post by theman on Feb 13, 2011 15:00:03 GMT -8
Great Teachers are way underpaid. Unfortunately, a lot of teachers are just going through the motion. OK pay, 3 months off, pay goes up with years of service and degrees. No accountability as to whether they are effective teachers. Sad. We need a system that rewards teachers for inspiring their students and getting results...like basketball players. The best make great jack.
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 13, 2011 17:01:29 GMT -8
Great Teachers are way underpaid. Unfortunately, a lot of teachers are just going through the motion. OK pay, 3 months off, pay goes up with years of service and degrees. No accountability as to whether they are effective teachers. Sad. We need a system that rewards teachers for inspiring their students and getting results...like basketball players. The best make great jack. When you talk about merit pay, you rile up the unions. I agree that there are very many great teachers and those are underpaid. This does not alter my position that I think vouchers would be a way to reduce costs and give parents and students more choice. Might even improve public schools by introducing competition. |
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Post by temeculaaztec on Feb 13, 2011 17:10:20 GMT -8
Great Teachers are way underpaid. Unfortunately, a lot of teachers are just going through the motion. OK pay, 3 months off, pay goes up with years of service and degrees. No accountability as to whether they are effective teachers. Sad. We need a system that rewards teachers for inspiring their students and getting results...like basketball players. The best make great jack. I would say that "a lot of teachers are just going through the motions..." is a load of garbage. Where is the research data that quantifies that? Are there some that do, yes. I also know that 50% of all new teachers don't last past 5 years. There are SOME poor teachers just like there are poor cops, firemen, doctors, etc...but that is the exception not the rule. I have taught for 22 years and have had incredibly successful students in my classes over the years at Poway HS and Mt. Carmel HS. Some classes are stronger than others. Each student brings their own unique set of challenges to the classroom. The factory/business model does not work well in education. I love my work and try to instill passion in my lessons, lectures and activities for my students. But there are many talented hardworking teachers at lower performing schools (other than Poway Unified) that would probably have excellent results as myself if that teacher had my quality of students. The one size fits all accountability system (API Scores, STAR Tests) does not indicate the quality of the teacher....and this is coming from a conservative Social Science teacher who has very high test scores in a nationally recognized school district (socio-economics has a lot to do with it). I cant recruit students like coaches do. I have to teach whoever comes through the door...so using the analogy of coaches being rewarded $$$$ for great success is not analogous to the classroom teacher....unless you let us pick our students as well. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Feb 14, 2011 7:25:00 GMT -8
I have heard the comment, "the work is too difficult here. I've decided to go back into teaching" more than a dozen times so far.
I once hired a HB school employee who after working less than full time for twelve years, for the school, retired with a pension at the old age of 52. This person's office skills were zero. There was more "stuff" that wasn't any where close to acceptable and this person didn't make it.
Wow. I think the teachers need some lessons.
HAM
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Post by temeculaaztec on Feb 14, 2011 8:17:01 GMT -8
I have heard the comment, "the work is too difficult here. I've decided to go back into teaching" more than a dozen times so far. I once hired a HB school employee who after working less than full time for twelve years, for the school, retired with a pension at the old age of 52. This person's office skills were zero. There was more "stuff" that wasn't any where close to acceptable and this person didn't make it. Wow. I think the teachers need some lessons. HAM In CA, you don't qualify for the STRS pension with only 12 years experience and age 52 retirement (unless you BUY service credit). The minimum retirement age is 55 with 30 years and that will only get you the 1.6 multiplier which is about 1/2 your pay. The STRS pension is not nearly as lucrative as the PERS plan which almost all other public servants are under(most have the RULE of 85---combination of years and age = 85, you get the 3.0 multiplier which is essentially 90% of your best year's salary. I started teaching at 25 and will need to go to age 62 (37 years-I am 48 now) to get the 2.4 multiplier or about 75% of my top salary. As to people going back into teaching (because the private sector is too hard), the facts don't support that claim. I know of not one teacher who retired early and then got rehired full-time except maybe as a substitute. I have had 8 student teachers under my tutelage and three of them either quit the credential program or never went into teaching because they did not have the personality to manage a classroom of 42 teenagers for 5 times a day. One in particular came from Stanford with a 4.0 GPA and had been working as a Law Clerk. He lasted a month. The kids just ate him up even with all the interventions I provided, he just didn't have it. And these were middle-class suburban kids! He instead went to Law School and is a government Lawyer in SF. For working with kids, some people have it, some don't. I am convinced it is a calling. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Feb 14, 2011 11:21:13 GMT -8
I have heard the comment, "the work is too difficult here. I've decided to go back into teaching" more than a dozen times so far. I once hired a HB school employee who after working less than full time for twelve years, for the school, retired with a pension at the old age of 52. This person's office skills were zero. There was more "stuff" that wasn't any where close to acceptable and this person didn't make it. Wow. I think the teachers need some lessons. HAM I call bull$#!+. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Feb 14, 2011 18:00:30 GMT -8
Of course you do. 'cause no where and no one is allowed to have a better, or more informed opinion or experience than a teacher.
It is so old about always talking about teachers.
There is never any credit given to small businesses (except President George Bush) for creating and maintaining the economy that produces real jobs for employees and owners who pay your stinkin' teachers' wages, over-bloated pension, and all that time off to complain.
HAM
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 14, 2011 21:01:39 GMT -8
Of course you do. 'cause no where and no one is allowed to have a better, or more informed opinion or experience than a teacher. It is so old about always talking about teachers. There is never any credit given to small businesses (except President George Bush) for creating and maintaining the economy that produces real jobs for employees and owners who pay your stinkin' teachers' wages, over-bloated pension, and all that time off to complain. HAM I always give credit to small business. Heck, I have owned one for thirty years. I have to wonder about your anger with the IRS. Let me make a wild guess. Did you get behind on your quarterlys and they hammered you? As for teachers, walk a mile in their shoes. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 0:18:48 GMT -8
Of course you do. 'cause no where and no one is allowed to have a better, or more informed opinion or experience than a teacher. It is so old about always talking about teachers. There is never any credit given to small businesses (except President George Bush) for creating and maintaining the economy that produces real jobs for employees and owners who pay your stinkin' teachers' wages, over-bloated pension, and all that time off to complain. HAM I always give credit to small business. Heck, I have owned one for thirty years. I have to wonder about your anger with the IRS. Let me make a wild guess. Did you get behind on your quarterlys and they hammered you? As for teachers, walk a mile in their shoes. Which ones? The flip-flop, I'm off all summer shoes? The Uggs, I'm off all winter shoes? The Whoopie! I'm off for spring break shoes? The casual "professional" development day shoes? The comfortable walkin' the picket line shoes? You need to specify. There are so many. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Feb 15, 2011 7:21:29 GMT -8
I always give credit to small business. Heck, I have owned one for thirty years. I have to wonder about your anger with the IRS. Let me make a wild guess. Did you get behind on your quarterlys and they hammered you? As for teachers, walk a mile in their shoes. If a small business owner doesn't get paid on the receivable, then no tax is due, and if no tax is due, then no tax is paid, and then no tax revenue comes in to pay the teachers' free medical, dental, psychiatry, pension, medical leave, union dues, and salaries. Quarterlies? Wow. You're so smart, aren't ya? HAM |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 15, 2011 8:21:20 GMT -8
I always give credit to small business. Heck, I have owned one for thirty years. I have to wonder about your anger with the IRS. Let me make a wild guess. Did you get behind on your quarterlys and they hammered you? As for teachers, walk a mile in their shoes. If a small business owner doesn't get paid on the receivable, then no tax is due, and if no tax is due, then no tax is paid, and then no tax revenue comes in to pay the teachers' free medical, dental, psychiatry, pension, medical leave, union dues, and salaries. Quarterlies? Wow. You're so smart, aren't ya? HAM If you don't get paid for your services you don't have any income, assuming you are a cash basis and not accrual, and thus have no tax to pay. I am talking about payroll withholding. You know the money that the employer withholds from the employee that employer then remits to the government on a quarterly basis, or even sooner if the withholding is large enough. Unfortunately it happens that sometimes an employer will not remit those taxes to the government. Since the government must credit the employee for the withholding, even though government never received it, they are never happy with businessmen that defraud their employees and the government, and all the rest of us that do pay their taxes. What happens is the government shuts down that business. No point in allowing someone to continue stealing from their employees is there? |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 15, 2011 8:27:06 GMT -8
I always give credit to small business. Heck, I have owned one for thirty years. I have to wonder about your anger with the IRS. Let me make a wild guess. Did you get behind on your quarterlys and they hammered you? As for teachers, walk a mile in their shoes. Which ones? The flip-flop, I'm off all summer shoes? The Uggs, I'm off all winter shoes? The Whoopie! I'm off for spring break shoes? The casual "professional" development day shoes? The comfortable walkin' the picket line shoes? You need to specify. There are so many. A few of my clients are teachers. They work hard for their money. Many of their work hours are in the evening and on week-ends. Class prep and grading does not happen between the bells. Everyone has out of pocket expenses for classroom supplys that always are in multiples of a hundred, if not over a thousand dollars a year. I don't think you know much about what a teacher does. |
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 15, 2011 8:29:24 GMT -8
William, why don't you step up here and let afan know what being a teacher is like?
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Feb 15, 2011 9:37:23 GMT -8
Which ones? The flip-flop, I'm off all summer shoes? The Uggs, I'm off all winter shoes? The Whoopie! I'm off for spring break shoes? The casual "professional" development day shoes? The comfortable walkin' the picket line shoes? You need to specify. There are so many. A few of my clients are teachers. They work hard for their money. Many of their work hours are in the evening and on week-ends. Class prep and grading does not happen between the bells. Everyone has out of pocket expenses for classroom supplys that always are in multiples of a hundred, if not over a thousand dollars a year. I don't think you know much about what a teacher does. During the school year, my wife works 12 - 15 hours per day. She normally falls asleep with a pile of homework in her lap. Many days during breaks are spent, uncompensated, going to seminars or doing lesson plans. We have also spent at least $5,000 per year on un-reimbursed classroom expenses most of which we cannot write off. One year, I kept track of her hours and divided them into her salary. I didn't tell her the result. She made less than the minimum wage. |
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