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Post by joshjones1 on Jun 10, 2010 11:26:24 GMT -8
Perfectly safe, right? Keep tasing those fans who run on the field, even if it means death (ive shown past stats). 
Today, another Mexican killed by border patrol agents was buried in San Diego. Anastasio Hernández, 42, died on 28 May after he was shocked with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing that separates San Diego and Tijuana.www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/10/mexico-us-tensions-video-boy-shot |
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Post by k5james on Jun 10, 2010 13:14:43 GMT -8
Perfectly safe, right? Keep tasing those fans who run on the field, even if it means death (ive shown past stats).
Today, another Mexican killed by border patrol agents was buried in San Diego. Anastasio Hernández, 42, died on 28 May after he was shocked with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing that separates San Diego and Tijuana.www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/10/mexico-us-tensions-video-boy-shotFunny Josh, of course there's no mention of him being high on Meth and beating his own head against the inside of the patrol car and on the asphault AFTER he was tased.  What stats? The stats that say 99% of people hit with a taser are fine after or the stat that says the people that do die after being hit with one are usually on some kind of drug or have some kind of medical condition? |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 11, 2010 6:38:41 GMT -8
I've got to agree with K5 on this one...
The guy was on meth - he did himself in.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 11, 2010 15:11:43 GMT -8
Perfectly safe, right? Keep tasing those fans who run on the field, even if it means death (ive shown past stats).
Today, another Mexican killed by border patrol agents was buried in San Diego. Anastasio Hernández, 42, died on 28 May after he was shocked with a stun gun at the San Ysidro border crossing that separates San Diego and Tijuana.www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/10/mexico-us-tensions-video-boy-shotFunny Josh, of course there's no mention of him being high on Meth and beating his own head against the inside of the patrol car and on the asphault AFTER he was tased. What stats? The stats that say 99% of people hit with a taser are fine after or the stat that says the people that do die after being hit with one are usually on some kind of drug or have some kind of medical condition? I see. So if he had a medical condition instead of being on meth, it would still be okay that he died? =Bob |
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Post by k5james on Jun 11, 2010 15:23:27 GMT -8
Funny Josh, of course there's no mention of him being high on Meth and beating his own head against the inside of the patrol car and on the asphault AFTER he was tased. What stats? The stats that say 99% of people hit with a taser are fine after or the stat that says the people that do die after being hit with one are usually on some kind of drug or have some kind of medical condition? I see. So if he had a medical condition instead of being on meth, it would still be okay that he died? =Bob No it would be unfortunate, but maybe those with medical conditions shouldn't assault Federal Agents. |
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Post by Spud on Jun 11, 2010 15:29:04 GMT -8
Funny Josh, of course there's no mention of him being high on Meth and beating his own head against the inside of the patrol car and on the asphault AFTER he was tased. What stats? The stats that say 99% of people hit with a taser are fine after or the stat that says the people that do die after being hit with one are usually on some kind of drug or have some kind of medical condition? I see. So if he had a medical condition instead of being on meth, it would still be okay that he died? =Bob Well, we can "what if" all day long. Simple fact is, the dudes heart popped because he was a full blown meth freak. Here's a simple solution to keep people from dying from taser applications....QUIT RESISTING ARREST. All the anti-taser people seem to think that officers are somehow superhero's that can quickly, and without harming, control a person who is actively resisting arrest. The chances of the officer getting hurt or killed skyrocket when they have to go hands on. When you remove the Taser as a less lethal tool, you leave the officer with very few choices to stop the escalation. Without taser, then you have 1) Flashlight to side of head, 2) carotid restraint (which has probably killed more people in one year than tasers have cumulatively) or 3) gun. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 12, 2010 6:24:09 GMT -8
I see. So if he had a medical condition instead of being on meth, it would still be okay that he died? =Bob No it would be unfortunate, but maybe those with medical conditions shouldn't assault Federal Agents. What a concept! do you think =Bob will get it?  |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 12, 2010 6:27:03 GMT -8
I see. So if he had a medical condition instead of being on meth, it would still be okay that he died? =Bob Well, we can "what if" all day long. Simple fact is, the dudes heart popped because he was a full blown meth freak. Here's a simple solution to keep people from dying from taser applications....QUIT RESISTING ARREST. All the anti-taser people seem to think that officers are somehow superhero's that can quickly, and without harming, control a person who is actively resisting arrest. The chances of the officer getting hurt or killed skyrocket when they have to go hands on. When you take out the Taser as a less lethal tool, you leave the officer with very few choices to stop the escalation. Without taser, then you have 1) Flashlight to side of head, 2) carotid restraint (which has probably killed more people in one year than tasers have cumulatively) or 3) gun. Stop trying to use common sense! I would prefer to go back to discussing the recreational tasing of unruly fans at Padres games. |
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Post by PowayAztec on Jun 12, 2010 14:14:09 GMT -8
I see. So if he had a medical condition instead of being on meth, it would still be okay that he died? =Bob Well, we can "what if" all day long. Simple fact is, the dudes heart popped because he was a full blown meth freak. Here's a simple solution to keep people from dying from taser applications....QUIT RESISTING ARREST. All the anti-taser people seem to think that officers are somehow superhero's that can quickly, and without harming, control a person who is actively resisting arrest. The chances of the officer getting hurt or killed skyrocket when they have to go hands on. When you remove the Taser as a less lethal tool, you leave the officer with very few choices to stop the escalation. Without taser, then you have 1) Flashlight to side of head, 2) carotid restraint (which has probably killed more people in one year than tasers have cumulatively) or 3) gun. +1. Don't resist and you won't be tased. The guy was as high as a kite while breaking the law entering the country illegally. |
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Post by joshjones1 on Jun 14, 2010 18:54:58 GMT -8
I see. So if he had a medical condition instead of being on meth, it would still be okay that he died? =Bob Well, we can "what if" all day long. Simple fact is, the dudes heart popped because he was a full blown meth freak. Here's a simple solution to keep people from dying from taser applications....QUIT RESISTING ARREST. All the anti-taser people seem to think that officers are somehow superhero's that can quickly, and without harming, control a person who is actively resisting arrest. The chances of the officer getting hurt or killed skyrocket when they have to go hands on. When you remove the Taser as a less lethal tool, you leave the officer with very few choices to stop the escalation. Without taser, then you have 1) Flashlight to side of head, 2) carotid restraint (which has probably killed more people in one year than tasers have cumulatively) or 3) gun. I got no problem with tasers. They're quite useful. I just don't think they need to be used on dumbass kids running around in circles on the outfield. Sure, the kid was breaking the law, but the punishment should fit the crime. If the kid had died, the outrage would have been severe. An officer should have to feel that a persons is in danger of being harmed from offenders actions to use the weapon. The kid not only was NOT running at players, it was pretty clear he was just being a jaggoff. No aggression whatsoever. Just poking fun at K5 from an old argument....but anyone who denies that tasers/stun guns, even when used AS INTENDED....on those who are not high on meth, or have a medical conditions, do not occasionally lead to death or permanent injury, is foolish. I have posted past proof, the stats are on the internet. I realize K5 is in law enforcement and has been jaded from dealing with criminals every day, I can understand that. I just don't like the "let's handle business, let the paramedics sort them out" mindset when it comes to youths at MLB ballparks. |
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What stats? The stats that say 99% of people hit with a taser are fine after or the stat that says the people that do die after being hit with one are usually on some kind of drug or have some kind of medical condition?
