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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 18, 2009 11:12:21 GMT -8
For some strange reason that escapes me, I started thinking of the possibility of Pac-10 expansion this morning. Specifically, I was weighing in my mind the chances that BYU would be invited.
I realize this topic has been tossed around a lot, but that just shows you that the idea of BYU (and maybe Utah) joining the Pac-10 is not ridiculous.
Many people say that BYU's refusal to play on Sundays would be unacceptable to the Pac-10. I have tried to evaluate that concern. Football is never played on Sunday, of course. How about basketball? I know that some colleges play on Sundays, but I don't know whether that includes the Pac-10. In any event, one would think basketball would not be a serious obstacle.
Baseball might cause trouble, since colleges do play that sport on Sundays.
All in all, I think that the Sunday issue could be handled if the Pac-10 really wanted the Cougars. There are other issues, of course. Does the Pac-10 want another private institution? Especially one that is doing quite well now and would no doubt attract even more top players were BYU to join a BCS conference? Also, there is the altitude issue.
Would BYU accept an invitation? I think they would, but only if Utah were part of the deal, and I think the Cougars and Utes would probably be asked as a package deal.
What would happen to the MWC were the Utes and Cougars were to leave? Fresno St and Boise State would probably be invited. Those two schools would help the MWC but would not quite offset the loss of the two Utah schools.
And the WAC? Hmmm. Not much they could do. Perhaps they could they lure UTEP.
In any case, I think S.D.S.U. is somewhere down the list of possible candidates for Pac-10 membership.
AzWm
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 18, 2009 16:34:39 GMT -8
It doesn't have a lot to do with BYU refusing to play on Sundays, even though the Smack-10 usually has teams playing on Sundays. It's totally political. I see no way in Hell Cal would ever vote to invite a conservative religious based school into the conference. I think that's particularly true after the reports on how much effort LDS put into defeating Prop 8.
=Bob
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 18, 2009 20:29:00 GMT -8
It doesn't have a lot to do with BYU refusing to play on Sundays, even though the Smack-10 usually has teams playing on Sundays. It's totally political. I see no way in Hell Cal would ever vote to invite a conservative religious based school into the conference. I think that's particularly true after the reports on how much effort LDS put into defeating Prop 8. =Bob Well, I think that you are expressing the worst case in terms of Pac-10 reaction to a possible BYU move to that conference. Do you really believe that the powers at Berkeley and other schools are that religiously prejudiced? Hmmm. I don't say it's not possible, but . . . On the other hand, since money is what it's all about, I imagine that the religious bigots in the Pac-10 might well stifle their anti-LDS feelings were the financial gain associated with BYU membership great enough. AzWm |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Aug 19, 2009 6:04:27 GMT -8
It doesn't have a lot to do with BYU refusing to play on Sundays, even though the Smack-10 usually has teams playing on Sundays. It's totally political. I see no way in Hell Cal would ever vote to invite a conservative religious based school into the conference. I think that's particularly true after the reports on how much effort LDS put into defeating Prop 8. =Bob Well, I think that you are expressing the worst case in terms of Pac-10 reaction to a possible BYU move to that conference. Do you really believe that the powers at Berkeley and other schools are that religiously prejudiced? Hmmm. I don't say it's not possible, but . . . On the other hand, since money is what it's all about, I imagine that the religious bigots in the Pac-10 might well stifle their anti-LDS feelings were the financial gain associated with BYU membership great enough. AzWm It's not so much a dislike of religion as it is LDS politics. =Bob |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Aug 19, 2009 8:06:46 GMT -8
Utah is great candidate for the PAC-10. It, as an institution, has everything the PAC-10 would want. Its only drawback would be the TV market.
Aside from the issues created by being owned by the LDS Church, BYU doesn't even come close when it comes to qualifying as a educational institution the PAC-10 really looks for. BYU is still primarily an undergrad centric institution with limited research and Phd programs compared with Utah or the other PAC-10 schools.
I believe that they have increased the number of Phd programs in the last few years but whether they could also attract the research $$ is another matter.
SDSU really needs to create a couple of professional schools and make the academic 'jump'. They could start by purchasing either the Thomas Jefferson or Cal Western law schools. They could then think about opening a dental school.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 19, 2009 11:05:13 GMT -8
Utah is great candidate for the PAC-10. It, as an institution, has everything the PAC-10 would want. Its only drawback would be the TV market. Aside from the issues created by being owned by the LDS Church, BYU doesn't even come close when it comes to qualifying as a educational institution the PAC-10 really looks for. BYU is still primarily an undergrad centric institution with limited research and Phd programs compared with Utah or the other PAC-10 schools. I believe that they have increased the number of Phd programs in the last few years but whether they could also attract the research $$ is another matter. SDSU really needs to create a couple of professional schools and make the academic 'jump'. They could start by purchasing either the Thomas Jefferson or Cal Western law schools. They could then think about opening a dental school. Interesting ideas for the expansion/improvement of the S.D.S.U. academic mission. Is there a need for an additional dental school? And how about a veterinary school? I don't think there is one of those south of Davis. Of course, right now and perhaps for years, a lack of money is going to be a real problem. AzWm |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Sept 8, 2009 18:39:13 GMT -8
If Utah and BYU were to join the Pac-10, BCS money would have to be split 12 ways. If the MWC gains an automatic "Q" to the BCS, they split it nine ways. And if the MWC gets two two teams into the BCS......cha ching, cha ching. I doubt anyone is going anywhere soon........
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 10, 2009 14:51:05 GMT -8
Well, I think that you are expressing the worst case in terms of Pac-10 reaction to a possible BYU move to that conference. Do you really believe that the powers at Berkeley and other schools are that religiously prejudiced? Hmmm. I don't say it's not possible, but . . . On the other hand, since money is what it's all about, I imagine that the religious bigots in the Pac-10 might well stifle their anti-LDS feelings were the financial gain associated with BYU membership great enough. AzWm It's not so much a dislike of religion as it is LDS politics. =Bob I don't think it is religion from the PAC 10 folks since at least three of the schools are pretty much in alignment with BYU now. Maybe not the schools themselves but the area around where the schools are located. Utah would be a better fit for the PAC 10 now and we might be if we could get our Football program up to speed. The academic argument against us does not hold water if you look closely. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Sept 11, 2009 12:27:30 GMT -8
Utah is great candidate for the PAC-10. It, as an institution, has everything the PAC-10 would want. Its only drawback would be the TV market. Aside from the issues created by being owned by the LDS Church, BYU doesn't even come close when it comes to qualifying as a educational institution the PAC-10 really looks for. BYU is still primarily an undergrad centric institution with limited research and Phd programs compared with Utah or the other PAC-10 schools. I believe that they have increased the number of Phd programs in the last few years but whether they could also attract the research $$ is another matter. Carnegie ranks BYU and SDSU in the same category; Research Institution with High Research Activity. BYU refuses to take any bucks from the Feds, which holds down the amount of research grants they get. Don't count on ever seeing a veterinary school. Davis has the only one in the state and nationwide they are seriously limited in number. =Bob |
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Post by walkonfan on May 30, 2010 11:47:13 GMT -8
;D
Spoke with a friend of mine, a former BYU football player. He says that the BYU board already voted to go to the PAC-10 in 2013. Also believes that utah is going too. I have no other facts, just putting it out there. So it appears MWC have two years to replace BYU and Utah. GO STATE! ...walkonfan.. ;D
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Post by Bob Forsythe on May 30, 2010 13:19:13 GMT -8
;D Spoke with a friend of mine, a former BYU football player. He says that the BYU board already voted to go to the PAC-10 in 2013. Also believes that utah is going too. I have no other facts, just putting it out there. So it appears MWC have two years to replace BYU and Utah. GO STATE! ...walkonfan.. ;D Which "BYU board" took that vote? The fan board? =Bob |
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