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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 18, 2011 19:10:09 GMT -8
I was a big Hoke fan and supporter, including his move to to a bigger job for his career goals. I understood completely. However, he has turned out to be a complete A** Hole by raiding our coaching staff. He has almost unlimited resources at UM, in terms of $ for his Asst Coaches. His poaching of ours shows a complete lack of regard for this University, where he was given the support and opportunity to get his "Dream Job". I could understand taking the guys he brought with him from Ball State, etc. But the Lopez move really demonstrates his lack of regard for SDSU and further shows what a complete mercenary bastard he really is. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. You might also add that it is likely that he took SDSU property with him. Does he still have copies of the offensive and defensive play books, recruit lists, etc. He is in a pretty good espionage position for this years game against our Aztecs. GO AZTECS, GO ROCKY; DOWN WITH hoke. If he took the books he is a lowdown skunk! Actually Sterk should demand the return of any of that stuff!
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Post by aztecalumni on Jan 18, 2011 19:28:31 GMT -8
You might also add that it is likely that he took SDSU property with him. Does he still have copies of the offensive and defensive play books, recruit lists, etc. He is in a pretty good espionage position for this years game against our Aztecs. GO AZTECS, GO ROCKY; DOWN WITH hoke. If he took the books he is a lowdown skunk! Actually Sterk should demand the return of any of that stuff! Im pretty sure they are his books. Him and his staff created them, not the school.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 18, 2011 19:34:11 GMT -8
If he took the books he is a lowdown skunk! Actually Sterk should demand the return of any of that stuff! Im pretty sure they are his books. Him and his staff created them, not the school. I do not think individuals "own" the intellectual property created while working at the university. Just sayin'
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Jan 18, 2011 19:42:26 GMT -8
I was the first one to call for Rocky to be immediately hired as HC if Hoke left.
Everybody knows that I like Tom Craft. When he has talent, he wins championships (both league and national titles in JC.) He never had a wealth of talent here, and when he was fired his first two recruiting classes were Redshirt Freshmen and Sophomores. With those kids he beat both Utah and BYU in 2005. His first recruiting class proved to be the richest in Aztec history for the number that made it to pro camps after they graduated. With the talent that we have, I think Tom would be an excellent choice as OC. If we could bring Claude Gilbert back, we can bring Tom back
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 18, 2011 19:45:07 GMT -8
I was the first one to call for Rocky to be immediately hired as HC if Hoke left. Everybody knows that I like Tom Craft. When he has talent, he wins championships (both league and national titles in JC.) He never had a wealth of talent here, and when he was fired his first two recruiting classes were Redshirt Freshmen and Sophomores. With those kids he beat both Utah and BYU in 2005. His first recruiting class proved to be the richest in Aztec history for the number that made it to pro camps after they graduated. With the talent that we have, I think Tom would be an excellent choice as OC. If we could bring Claude Gilbert back, we can bring Tom back Agree!
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 18, 2011 19:54:32 GMT -8
If he took the books he is a lowdown skunk! Actually Sterk should demand the return of any of that stuff! Im pretty sure they are his books. Him and his staff created them, not the school. You need to take a law class on "Works for Hire". A salesman cannot leave the company and take the lead list and price list with them.
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Post by aztecinoz on Jan 18, 2011 19:56:02 GMT -8
Im pretty sure they are his books. Him and his staff created them, not the school. You need to take a law class on "Works for Hire". A salesman cannot leave the company and take the lead list and price list with them. Usually working for universities is a bit different but in this case I agree with you.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 18, 2011 19:59:50 GMT -8
He & Borges were paid to create those books. I doubt they own them they were created for SDSU and they were compensated.
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Post by kman82 on Jan 18, 2011 20:02:03 GMT -8
It's only been a week since BH has left and I think there is a pretty clear picture developing of what his attitude towards SDSU really was. Sift through the countless references he made to 'accountability' and the references to 'we are where we want to be' and in my own way of thinking this is what really transpired: 1) RichRod had a pretty good idea his act was to be shortlived long before the season was over (point: reference the post that alluded to Mrs. RichRod cancelling a $200k redo of the RichRod Residence lighting around the end of October - how's that for ''trick or treat"). 2)Pizza Man had a pretty good idea that RichRod was on his way out as well, but also was smart enough to know the big money behind the m & b would not flip cartwheels over such a pedestrian selection as BH; ergo he would need to play the jilted suitor game first by seeming to pursue other more enticing options. 3) Problem; other more enticing options were gainfully employed elsewhere pursuing something the m & b had no hope of - a stellar post season performance and more hardware for the ivy covered halls, so he had to throw out the curious timetable of waiting until after the m & b got their milk money taken from them in their bowl game to make a decision on RichRod's status. Why?; this bought him precious time until his so-called first choices would appear to be available after their bowl successes. 4) Meanwhile back at the Mesa; I don't think it is too far-fetched to surmise that BH was aware he was really THE choice (this is starting to sound like the 'Dating Game') all along, and that somehow Pizza Man got word to Brady to lay low, don't sign anything you might regret, and while you are at it see if you can chisel that cash strapped Cal State University football progrram down on your million dollar buyout - per the UT word was they were trying to save $500k - that's a lot of (pizza) dough to a school like SDSU, but apparently BH had no problem with biting the hand that had fed him for two years and padding the already opulent coffers of the m & b (interesting how the entire state of MI has an economy just this side of flat line but the m & b can buyout coaches left and right). For those that don't begrudge BH for leaving, fine, but please note the following: The fact that he left so late in January really put SDSU in a hiring bind (I wish he would have walked before the P Bowl like he did at BSU, at least all of those pictures of the postgame trophy presentation wouldn't be marred by his presence).
The fact that he tried to take nearly the ENTIRE STAFF with him - including Rocky. If Rocky would have left, just where would that have left the program and all those kids he claimed he just wanted to coach? Good luck trying to hold onto a recruiting class in mid-January when you have to conduct a search for a head coach, to say nothing of the rest of the staff. Who knows what he was telling Sterk, if anything at all, leaving the AD and everyone else in the program pretty much grasping at straws.
The fact that he knew the uphill climb this program has been facing after 30 years of false starts and futility and the financial burden it has placed on the university - and he still tried to weasel SDSU out of $500k on behalf of Pizza Man and the m & b -you have got to be kidding me.
Bottom line: he may have had every right to leave ,but the fact that he did so in the manner he did is what I think most AZTEC fans take issue with. As he was quoted after he got his dream job: "we would have walked to Michigan" - I would like to quote one of our more quotable posters in responding: "fine - long walk, short pier". 9/24/2011. Kman out
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Post by Cwag on Jan 18, 2011 21:27:36 GMT -8
It's clear to me that Hoke never liked San Diego and I'm glad he is gone because we would of had to hear his name for every BCS opening every year until he took one.
Hoke is a cow and corn kind of person.
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Post by lou on Jan 18, 2011 21:38:38 GMT -8
Hoke is a hypocrite and a carpet bagger as far as his short stay with san diego state. Has anyone noticed how much uglier he got since he left for michigan? One of the reasons he left so quickly with little fanfare and thanks to the school and fans and players was that he could feel his Karma catching up with him: one step ahead of the devil to whom he sold his soul to get his "Dream Job."
Would have loved to see Hoke's face when Rocky said "Nope."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 22:44:21 GMT -8
Probably time to move on from the Hoke leaving issue....(of course thats just a suggestion).
On a more pertinent note, in my estimation, the most important (read 'telling') quote in the article is this... (in reference to how long it would take to get a S&C guy)
"I said that before I knew how people get hired around here," Long said. "There is a process I have to go through. But I'm trying to get it done as soon as possible...."
This is one of the issues that make things difficult at SDSU and no doubt one of the reasons Hoke was happy to leave.... SDSU is a CA state run school - no doubt more difficult than most other major universities.
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Post by aztecaggie on Jan 18, 2011 22:47:42 GMT -8
I was a big Hoke fan and supporter, including his move to to a bigger job for his career goals. I understood completely. However, he has turned out to be a complete A** Hole by raiding our coaching staff. He has almost unlimited resources at UM, in terms of $ for his Asst Coaches. His poaching of ours shows a complete lack of regard for this University, where he was given the support and opportunity to get his "Dream Job". I could understand taking the guys he brought with him from Ball State, etc. But the Lopez move really demonstrates his lack of regard for SDSU and further shows what a complete mercenary bastard he really is. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. I do not agree. First, you do not know how it came down. Had Lopez contacted Hoke and said "Take me, Take Me!" what was Hoke to do? It could have happened that way but you never know. And it makes no difference. If a uni wants to lock up employees, or coaches, they can sign them to long term contract with no outs. But no, they don't. Employees are free to move on, and yes, even to make more money. Again, THIS is what happens in this business. We just watched it. It happens lots. In business too. It may be the underside of coaching football. I think Hoke is a really good guy and nothing in the last 2 weeks changes my mind. Jeeze. Dan
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Post by monty on Jan 19, 2011 4:16:47 GMT -8
Probably time to move on from the Hoke leaving issue....(of course thats just a suggestion). On a more pertinent note, in my estimation, the most important (read 'telling') quote in the article is this... (in reference to how long it would take to get a S&C guy) "I said that before I knew how people get hired around here," Long said. "There is a process I have to go through. But I'm trying to get it done as soon as possible...." This is one of the issues that make things difficult at SDSU and no doubt one of the reasons Hoke was happy to leave.... SDSU is a CA state run school - no doubt more difficult than most other major universities. Yea, that jumped out at me too
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Post by standiego on Jan 19, 2011 6:32:58 GMT -8
would be a very nice gesture to introduce the 3 coaches and families ,plus Rocky's family to the crowd at the BB game tonight-also have the football team there or another night but before signing day. Get the PPR show there for filming and the LAZ- 39 Wrap Show there also for a clip
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