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Post by aztecx on Jan 20, 2011 12:02:17 GMT -8
I agree ratings don't mean everything but .... in 2 years at Missouri this guy did nothing. My question remains: Why does everyone think this guy was going to be so good as a transfer.
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Post by aztech on Jan 20, 2011 12:04:33 GMT -8
Honest question. Why are folks so excited about this guy? He was only rated a 75 on ESPN (both Franklins were 90) and he averaged a couple minutes and about 1 point at Missouri, I just don't see why everyone was so exited. It's because many here are infatuated with size and the school where he's transferring from. In their eyes, he's an automatic superstar. We see this same belief applying in football as well. It's rare that they meet the hype that most expected of them. Recall when Brian Carlwell committed to us. Huge guy from a big program. The answer to our big man dreams. Yeah he's good and plays a nice role for us, but he's not a starter. He's certainly not a disappointment, but also not what many envisioned of him. Our sports are on the upswing and we should be more weary of transfers and why they're committing to us. We should no longer look at ourselves as the lower rung fallback destination. That's in the past. Focus on the guys who want to come here after high school instead.
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Post by aztecx on Jan 20, 2011 12:06:17 GMT -8
It's because many here are infatuated with size and the school where he's transferring from. In their eyes, he's an automatic superstar. We see this same belief applying in football as well. It's rare that they meet the hype that most expected of them. Recall when Brian Carlwell committed to us. Huge guy from a big program. The answer to our big man dreams. Yeah he's good and plays a nice role for us, but he's not a starter. He's certainly not a disappointment, but also not what many envisioned of him. Our sports are on the upswing and we should be more weary of transfers and why they're committing to us. We should no longer look at ourselves as the lower rung fallback destination. That's in the past. Focus on the guys who want to come here after high school instead. I agree with what you say. At least Carlwell was a big time recruit out of HS.
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Post by aztectone on Jan 20, 2011 12:14:22 GMT -8
Honest question. Why are folks so excited about this guy? He was only rated a 75 on ESPN (both Franklins were 90) and he averaged a couple minutes and about 1 point at Missouri, I just don't see why everyone was so exited. It's because many here are infatuated with size and the school where he's transferring from. In their eyes, he's an automatic superstar. We see this same belief applying in football as well. It's rare that they meet the hype that most expected of them. Recall when Brian Carlwell committed to us. Huge guy from a big program. The answer to our big man dreams. Yeah he's good and plays a nice role for us, but he's not a starter. He's certainly not a disappointment, but also not what many envisioned of him. Our sports are on the upswing and we should be more weary of transfers and why they're committing to us. We should no longer look at ourselves as the lower rung fallback destination. That's in the past. Focus on the guys who want to come here after high school instead. Ya probably should have passed on Tony Bland Deandre Moore Mohamad Abukar Lorrenzo Wade Brandon Smith Malcom Thomas Randy Holcomb And were does it say that we are excited about they guy, we welcomed him to the team as we would do to any player...(doesnt even soud as if the rumor is true) and a couple people mentioned he is a project...? read the thread.
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Post by aztech on Jan 20, 2011 12:29:08 GMT -8
It's because many here are infatuated with size and the school where he's transferring from. In their eyes, he's an automatic superstar. We see this same belief applying in football as well. It's rare that they meet the hype that most expected of them. Recall when Brian Carlwell committed to us. Huge guy from a big program. The answer to our big man dreams. Yeah he's good and plays a nice role for us, but he's not a starter. He's certainly not a disappointment, but also not what many envisioned of him. Our sports are on the upswing and we should be more weary of transfers and why they're committing to us. We should no longer look at ourselves as the lower rung fallback destination. That's in the past. Focus on the guys who want to come here after high school instead. Ya probably should have passed on Tony Bland Deandre Moore Mohamad Abukar Lorrenzo Wade Brandon Smith Malcom Thomas Randy Holcomb And were does it say that we are excited about they guy, we welcomed him to the team as we would do to any player...(doesnt even soud as if the rumor is true) and a couple people mentioned he is a project...? read the thread. Did you read mine? By the way, MC isn't a transfer. He was JC.
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Post by aztectone on Jan 20, 2011 12:33:48 GMT -8
hmm could have sworn he went to Pepperdine his frosh year and came back home.
Should Duke not have taken Seth Curry?
Wait till you see Xavier Thames!
*Bottom line is we are going to have to have a couple tourney runs before Chase Buddinger, Jeff Withey, Norman Powell and others choose us right off the bat. Until then we take solid xfers, steal a couple late diamonds like DJ and Kawhi and add some solid role players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 12:40:13 GMT -8
Watched some of his play, not impressed.
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Post by ramrodd23 on Jan 20, 2011 12:50:07 GMT -8
It's because many here are infatuated with size and the school where he's transferring from. In their eyes, he's an automatic superstar. We see this same belief applying in football as well. It's rare that they meet the hype that most expected of them. Recall when Brian Carlwell committed to us. Huge guy from a big program. The answer to our big man dreams. Yeah he's good and plays a nice role for us, but he's not a starter. He's certainly not a disappointment, but also not what many envisioned of him. Our sports are on the upswing and we should be more weary of transfers and why they're committing to us. We should no longer look at ourselves as the lower rung fallback destination. That's in the past. Focus on the guys who want to come here after high school instead. Ya probably should have passed on Tony Bland Deandre Moore Mohamad Abukar Lorrenzo Wade Brandon Smith Malcom Thomas Randy Holcomb And were does it say that we are excited about they guy, we welcomed him to the team as we would do to any player...(doesnt even soud as if the rumor is true) and a couple people mentioned he is a project...? read the thread. This ^
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Post by buckeyedad on Jan 20, 2011 12:56:26 GMT -8
Bekays... were you not impresses by Underwood or Thames. Please tell us more.
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Post by aztectone on Jan 20, 2011 12:58:36 GMT -8
He was talking about Underwood.
Have heard nothing but good things about Thames.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 13:19:14 GMT -8
Yes talking about Underwood, I was underwhelmed with his skills.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jan 20, 2011 13:25:19 GMT -8
I'll admit that I fell for the size/program trap - but also the positive things that were said about him from his coach.
I still think SDSU can benefit from taking transfers from other D1 schools (and we are of course - Rahon, Thames for example).
I also do consider Thomas a transfer since he was at a D1 school but went to City since he didn't want to sit out a year.
Bottom line is that Fisher has established SDSU as a great destination for ALL type of players, High School, JC Transfers & D1 Transfers and as a result we have a very successful program. Even if Leonard leaves next season SDSU will still be a potential MWC Champ/NCAA Team (especially with BYU leaving).
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Post by aztecx on Jan 20, 2011 15:19:07 GMT -8
Ya probably should have passed on Tony Bland Deandre Moore Mohamad Abukar Lorrenzo Wade Brandon Smith Malcom Thomas Randy Holcomb And were does it say that we are excited about they guy, we welcomed him to the team as we would do to any player...(doesnt even soud as if the rumor is true) and a couple people mentioned he is a project...? read the thread. Holcomb was a JC so not really a transfer. Thomas had already proved himself at Pepp. And all of the other guys were BIG TIME recruits. Underwood was NOT a big time recruit and he had done squat at Mizzou. Comparing Underwood to the players makes one wonder if you did any research at all or just thought he was a great player because he was recruited by Missouri. Do some homework before spouting off with your sarcastic comments to an honest question. You will not look like such a fool.
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Post by aztectone on Jan 20, 2011 15:35:37 GMT -8
Ya probably should have passed on Tony Bland Deandre Moore Mohamad Abukar Lorrenzo Wade Brandon Smith Malcom Thomas Randy Holcomb And were does it say that we are excited about they guy, we welcomed him to the team as we would do to any player...(doesnt even soud as if the rumor is true) and a couple people mentioned he is a project...? read the thread. Holcomb was a JC so not really a transfer. Thomas had already proved himself at Pepp. And all of the other guys were BIG TIME recruits. Underwood was NOT a big time recruit and he had done squat at Mizzou. Comparing Underwood to the players makes one wonder if you did any research at all or just thought he was a great player because he was recruited by Missouri. Do some homework before spouting off with your sarcastic comments to an honest question. You will not look like such a fool. Randy Holcomb went to Fresno State, but burned his first year on academics xfered out as a frosh. Then went to JC 1 year. This guy was condsidered a project and was moving home because of family issues. Nobody said he was a top recruit. He averaged 9 blocks a game in high school is long and athletic. He was a late bloomer like M. Thomas. Projects need time to develop. and you aren't going to get pt as a project on a top 25 team. Ask an honest question, you get an honest answer. Maybe we should contact ESPN recruiting before we go after any players.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 20, 2011 15:50:12 GMT -8
Ya probably should have passed on Tony Bland Deandre Moore Mohamad Abukar Lorrenzo Wade Brandon Smith Malcom Thomas Randy Holcomb And were does it say that we are excited about they guy, we welcomed him to the team as we would do to any player...(doesnt even soud as if the rumor is true) and a couple people mentioned he is a project...? read the thread. Holcomb was a JC so not really a transfer. Thomas had already proved himself at Pepp. And all of the other guys were BIG TIME recruits. Underwood was NOT a big time recruit and he had done squat at Mizzou. Comparing Underwood to the players makes one wonder if you did any research at all or just thought he was a great player because he was recruited by Missouri. Do some homework before spouting off with your sarcastic comments to an honest question. You will not look like such a fool. Holcomb went to Fresno first.
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Post by aztecx on Jan 20, 2011 16:03:12 GMT -8
Randy Holcomb went to Fresno State This guy was condsidered a project and was moving home because of family issues. Nobody said he was a top recruit. He averaged 9 blocks a game in highschool is long and atheltic. He was a late bloomer like M. Thomas. Projects need time to develop. Ask an honest question, you get an honest answer. Maybe we should contact espn recruiting before we go after any players. My honest question was why folks were so high on Underwood. He was not highly rated coming out of HS and did nothing at Mizzou, but many folks seemed really excited about him coming to sdsu and I wondered why. Then you start with your absurd comparisons and make it seem like I am saying we shouldn't go after any transfers. You mention Holcomb (who was highly thought of as a JUCO) and don't even address the issue that all the other players you mentioned were highly rated out of HS and/or had proven to be a good developing player at their prior school. So your comparisons are weak as it relates to Underwood.
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Post by aztecx on Jan 20, 2011 16:04:01 GMT -8
Holcomb was a JC so not really a transfer. Thomas had already proved himself at Pepp. And all of the other guys were BIG TIME recruits. Underwood was NOT a big time recruit and he had done squat at Mizzou. Comparing Underwood to the players makes one wonder if you did any research at all or just thought he was a great player because he was recruited by Missouri. Do some homework before spouting off with your sarcastic comments to an honest question. You will not look like such a fool. Holcomb went to Fresno first. Fair enough, but he was highly thought of as a juco.
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Post by aztectone on Jan 20, 2011 16:20:24 GMT -8
Randy Holcomb went to Fresno State This guy was condsidered a project and was moving home because of family issues. Nobody said he was a top recruit. He averaged 9 blocks a game in highschool is long and atheltic. He was a late bloomer like M. Thomas. Projects need time to develop. Ask an honest question, you get an honest answer. Maybe we should contact espn recruiting before we go after any players. My honest question was why folks were so high on Underwood. He was not highly rated coming out of HS and did nothing at Mizzou, but many folks seemed really excited about him coming to sdsu and I wondered why. Then you start with your absurd comparisons and make it seem like I am saying we shouldn't go after any transfers. You mention Holcomb (who was highly thought of as a JUCO) and don't even address the issue that all the other players you mentioned were highly rated out of HS and/or had proven to be a good developing player at their prior school. So your comparisons are weak as it relates to Underwood. Wasn't responding to your post actually I was responding to the guy who said we shouldn't be taking in any more transfers. None of the mentioned players above were averaging good numbers before they transfered. All were averaging less than 5 a game. The only starter was Malcom Thomas who was on one of the worst team in the nation that year. Nobody was clamoring over him, fact is we are in need of a big man specifically someone who can block shots run the floor and rebound which to answer your questions is why this got so many views and posts.
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Post by aztecx on Jan 20, 2011 16:29:06 GMT -8
I still think SDSU can benefit from taking transfers from other D1 schools (and we are of course - Rahon, Thames for example). Agreed. D1 transfers can really help our program.
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Post by aztecx on Jan 20, 2011 16:32:33 GMT -8
My honest question was why folks were so high on Underwood. He was not highly rated coming out of HS and did nothing at Mizzou, but many folks seemed really excited about him coming to sdsu and I wondered why. Then you start with your absurd comparisons and make it seem like I am saying we shouldn't go after any transfers. You mention Holcomb (who was highly thought of as a JUCO) and don't even address the issue that all the other players you mentioned were highly rated out of HS and/or had proven to be a good developing player at their prior school. So your comparisons are weak as it relates to Underwood. Wasn't responding to your post actually I was responding to the guy who said we shouldn't be taking in any more transfers. None of the mentioned players above were averaging good numbers before they transfered. All were averaging less than 5 a game. The only starter was Malcom Thomas who was on one of the worst team in the nation that year. Nobody was clamoring over him, fact is we are in need of a big man specifically someone who can block shots run the floor and rebound which to answer your questions is why this got so many views and posts. Ok. I agree that D1 transfers can really help our program. I also agree that a D1 transfer doesn't need to be averaging double figures to be a good candidate to transfer in. Thames is a great example. I think he will be really good as he was getting lots of PT at WSU. With regards to Underwood, it seemed like he really wasn't contributing even in his so season.
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