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Post by bigdog41 on Jun 7, 2010 7:23:29 GMT -8
I doubt the PAC16 happens. Texas and OU the two heavies in the B12 don't want it to happen and they are putting the pressure on NB, CU, MZ to commit to keeping the league together. With no invitation from the B10 Nebraska and Mizzu are vulnerable.
They must be thinking what if the B12 disolves and the 6 go to the PAC10 and we do not get an invite to the B10?
What I think will happen is B12 stays intact and the only option left for the PAC10 will be to take also rans like Utah & BYU since CU will be off the board. But I doubt that PAC10 will go from a PAC16 super conference to the let down of adding a couple Utah schools so they will stay the PAC10 and have some type of relationship with the B12.
I think this is the likely way that things end up.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 7, 2010 7:37:51 GMT -8
I think it's happening and Baylor is going instead of CU
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Post by aztecalum on Jun 7, 2010 7:57:03 GMT -8
I think Nebrask and Missouri want out of the B12 as they think too much influence and power is held by Texas. If an invite from the B10 comes Nebraska and Missouri are gone. Therefore, Texas does not want to stay in a watered down B12 minus Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado and therefore may bolt to the Pac10 for the additional big dollars? I think there is a real possibility we see movement this week as the B12 have given Nebraska and Missouri until friday to commit or they are leaving the B12?
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Post by hoobs on Jun 7, 2010 8:04:53 GMT -8
I agree with LA & Alum. I think by the time the sun sets on Friday... there's a 75% chance we'll be on the verge of a whole new landscape in major college sports. There's just too much happening at a frenetic pace all of a sudden for things to just get called off.
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Post by bigdog41 on Jun 7, 2010 8:48:44 GMT -8
If an invite from the B10 comes then yes Nebraska and Missouri are gone but I doubt an offer from the B10 will be coming by Friday. According to the B10 they haven't even begun to evaluate Nebraska and Missouri and that the B10 Presidents have reservations that these schools are not in the academic league of a Michigan, NW, OSU etc. I think that Missouri and Nebraska will be forced to recommitt to the B12 in fear of getting shut out and if that happens there will be a major financial penalty if they bolt later on. There are just too many things that need to be discussed and agreed upon in a very short amount of time to make this happen PAC16 and B10 expansion happen and you also have State Legislatures involved. Too much too soon and too many interested parties and decisions makers. I think Nebrask and Missouri want out of the B12 as they think too much influence and power is held by Texas. If an invite from the B10 comes Nebraska and Missouri are gone. Therefore, Texas does not want to stay in a watered down B12 minus Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado and therefore may bolt to the Pac10 for the additional big dollars? I think there is a real possibility we see movement this week as the B12 have given Nebraska and Missouri until friday to commit or they are leaving the B12? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 9:50:31 GMT -8
I think it's happening and Baylor is going instead of CU Agreed. BTW, this is no knock on anyone but for the last week or so, this board has been at least a day behind the curve on all this stuff. Since I'm fascinated by it, I have no problem updating people but things are in much too much of a state of flux to bother right now. Suffice it to say that the major college sports landscape, including the MWC, could look significantly different a week from now. |
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 7, 2010 11:30:37 GMT -8
Every day unfolds a new scenario. You are going to be behind the curve no matter what.
The insinuations are crazy.
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Post by goaztecs on Jun 7, 2010 12:51:14 GMT -8
You guys must be joking about Baylor going to the Pac 10.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jun 7, 2010 12:54:08 GMT -8
Slim to none. The $'s are there and they are going to take them.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 7, 2010 15:14:57 GMT -8
You guys must be joking about Baylor going to the Pac 10. You clearly don't understand Texas politics. =Bob |
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Post by boblowe on Jun 7, 2010 15:44:37 GMT -8
Baylor and Tech are chips to land the Prize: Texas. Really, Texas should go Pac. While Big 10 may offer more immediate cash due to B10 network, the access to Calif. for recruiting will be better in the long run.
Colorado instead of Baylor is much better for Pac.
While Texas politics may be key, remember that Baylor is a private school. The big lobby will be for Tech and A&M.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 7, 2010 15:56:33 GMT -8
What if... let's say Nebraska & Mizzou get successfully chased out of the Big 12 (under my little thought experiment... it would be more of less on purpose, the Big 12 conference leadership WANTING them to leave). What happens then? All this conversation about dance partner metaphors in another thread here got me thinking... what if the TEXAS-based leadership of the Big 12 is just playing a game? Dancing, if you will. What if they like where they sit (Texas owning a disproportionately large share of the pie in Big 12 revenue) so courting the Pac 10 is just a ruse to get rid of (mostly) Nebraska? Then, they go after the 4 biggest fish they can find and declare themselves the strongest conference in the nation? BYU & Utah would be obvious, but then who else? Either a couple SEC schools, or...
...in my dream world, the "or..." ends with UNLV & SDSU.
However, I still think we see the Pac 16 formed by the end of the month.
But that was an interesting alternate hypothesis...
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Post by 83aztec on Jun 7, 2010 19:06:19 GMT -8
Oh about 95% sure they don't get the Big 12 south. I don't see anything happening for at least 6 months. I do think that the Irish hold the key to everything.
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Post by zurac315 on Jun 7, 2010 19:22:58 GMT -8
After all this speculation I think it would be so funny if absolutely nothing changed. ;D
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Post by rickdoerr on Jun 7, 2010 21:46:24 GMT -8
What I don't understand is $C willing to share or, give up it's top dog position. I guess I really can't see USC and Texas getting along. Don't know I'd be too happy if I were the Rose Bowl people either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 10:02:18 GMT -8
Oh about 95% sure they don't get the Big 12 south. I don't see anything happening for at least 6 months. I do think that the Irish hold the key to everything. I'm no entirely sure what you mean so we could be in agreement, or not. The MWC needs to move on Boise by June 30 for BCS AQ reasons. However, other than those imposed by themselves, the AQ conferences have no such deadlines.* Granted, Don Beebe of the Big 12 has imposed such a deadline on Nebraska and Mizzou, but they could just let the deadline lapse without an answer and call his bluff.** What's Beebe going to do then, kick them out? That would be hilarious if it resulted in Nebraska and Missouri then coming to the Mountain West. I mean, you add what those two have accomplished and Boise State and the MWC would be an AQ conference no questions asked. Granted that Nebraska would suffer a decrease in TV revenue but the Corn (great term, Borg) could become king of its conference's football hill again and that is hugely important to them. Anyway, I think if the Big Ten isn't comfortable with a formal offer to Nebraska and Mizzou right now that the two ARE going to call Beebe's bluff. Then the pressure will be on Texas since the Longhorns have implied that the deal with the Pac will be off. Will it? Yeah, probably until the Big Ten decides for sure whether ND is coming. If the Irish come, NU and Mizzou won't be offered. If - I think actually WHEN - the Irish don't, NU and Mizzou WILL go to the Big Ten (remember, the Big Ten said in Dec. 2009 its expansion process would take 12-18 months) and leave the Big 12. * The Pac has a deadline in the sense of expiration of its TV contract. However, with an impending expansion including Texas, there's no reason I know of that the thing couldn't just be extended a year at the present terms to see what's going to happen. ** Beebe's deadline is really Texas' deadline. As Bill King of Rivals Radio put it this morning, the Big 12 is Texas and if Texas told Beebe they're leaving unless he goes on national TV and bungee jumps naked, Beebe is going to do it. |
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Post by nebraztec on Jun 8, 2010 11:19:44 GMT -8
Yes Nebraska coming to the MWC would be a tremendous get. It ain't happening. First the Huskers are on their way back football wise (should have beaten Texas last year except for a kickoff going out of bounds with 1 minute to go in the game)and secondly I don't think that most here realize the national draw that the Huskers have. Believe me the mega conferences are not going to let the Huskers sit idle on the outside looking in!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 11:24:07 GMT -8
Yes Nebraska coming to the MWC would be a tremendous get. It ain't happening. First the Huskers are on their way back football wise (should have beaten Texas last year except for a kickoff going out of bounds with 1 minute to go in the game)and secondly I don't think that most here realize the national draw that the Huskers have. Believe me the mega conferences are not going to let the Huskers sit idle on the outside looking in! Actually, if I was Beebe, I would be really concerned that if I somehow tried to kick out Nebraska and Missouri that the SEC would snatch them up while simultaneously pilfering A&M. Of course, unlike Beebe, I'm not a drooling fool. |
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Post by choop on Jun 9, 2010 6:18:54 GMT -8
Too many schools have the opportunity to make additional millions here for nothing to happen. Nebraska and MO are very disturbed about the control Texas has over the Big-12, and stand to make a lot more money in the Big-10. Money and ego can move mountains.
While this is going on, the Big-10 is threatening to destroy the Big East, where Notre Dame plays all its sports other than football. ND might have to concede to become part of the Big 10 to preserve a league for its other sports. Hard to be an independent in baskatball, track, baseball, tennis and a dozen other sports.
Also, Scott and CAA over at the PAC-10 are promising big TV bucks. Pressure is on them to deliver.
Bottom line; too much pressure being exerted from too many directions. Something has to give. Change comes.
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Post by dgolf on Jun 12, 2010 17:17:20 GMT -8
Here's another scenario..MWC Faithful think about this....the conferences are making their moves. Colorado leaves big 12, to go to pac 10... nebraska goes to big 10...Mwc adds boise st. and lets wyoming & air force go...big 12 lets iowa st and missouri go. The mountain west should merge with big 12 and have a Super Conference with two divisions west, southwest or north and south, whatever you want to call them.
West
bsu
byu
colo st
n mex
sdsu
tcu
unlv
utah
Southwest
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ou
tx tec
tx am
osu
baylor
kan
k st
If we let teams like tex, ou,tex am, tx tec, osu etc. go to the pac 10, were setting ourselves up for the same thing we currently have. If we dont do this, other conferences are going to realign and the mwc could get left out in the wind... Mwc commissioner should make a move! This could be great for SDSU! This will be a great football, basketbal & baseball conference...Yahooo! Get it out there!
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