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Post by aztecwin on Jun 5, 2010 9:52:37 GMT -8
www.breitbart.tv/cash-strapped-ca-to-build-1m-fish-ladder/I watched this on the news last night and thought that it looked like this Creek or river was so polluted and had so little water in it that it would not make a difference one way or the other. I think money spent on the San Luis Rey River would be a better application of funds with a chance to be successful. I don't want to talk about the biger issue of if a dead broke Caloifornia can spend anything.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Jun 5, 2010 18:15:31 GMT -8
www.breitbart.tv/cash-strapped-ca-to-build-1m-fish-ladder/I watched this on the news last night and thought that it looked like this Creek or river was so polluted and had so little water in it that it would not make a difference one way or the other. I think money spent on the San Luis Rey River would be a better application of funds with a chance to be successful. I don't want to talk about the biger issue of if a dead broke Caloifornia can spend anything. Can't speak for UW, but of course it's viable - there have been fish ladders since at least the '50s. Nice website, BTW. Lots of really pathetic comments. =Bob |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 5, 2010 21:43:47 GMT -8
I saw this piece, too. Apparently some feel that the ladders will degrade over time and will cost a lot more to rebuild. One expert interviewed suggested an alternative method but it was not clear (to me, at least) just how said alternative would work.
AzWm
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Post by uwaztec on Jun 6, 2010 7:16:53 GMT -8
www.breitbart.tv/cash-strapped-ca-to-build-1m-fish-ladder/I watched this on the news last night and thought that it looked like this Creek or river was so polluted and had so little water in it that it would not make a difference one way or the other. I think money spent on the San Luis Rey River would be a better application of funds with a chance to be successful. I don't want to talk about the bigger issue of if a dead broke California can spend anything. I hate to say this, but I think everything south of Cambria is history. I'd rather see the money spent north. The So Cal tributaries have too many up-stream issues beyond the existence of a ladder. I could not stay for the FOX comments, I know the talking points very well by now when it comes to the environment, "fish versus people" etc. My colleague got a grant to create a documentary film about the steelhead recovery program for the southern California streams. He could find "smolts" in a couple tributaries like Malibu Creek and the Ventura River, but no adults. Remember also that a lot of private money from groups like Trout Unlimited and The Nature Conservancy goes into these recovery efforts... but I'm sure FOX did not mention that money, since it does not follow the format for anger generation, rather than education. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 6, 2010 9:56:58 GMT -8
www.breitbart.tv/cash-strapped-ca-to-build-1m-fish-ladder/I watched this on the news last night and thought that it looked like this Creek or river was so polluted and had so little water in it that it would not make a difference one way or the other. I think money spent on the San Luis Rey River would be a better application of funds with a chance to be successful. I don't want to talk about the bigger issue of if a dead broke California can spend anything. I hate to say this, but I think everything south of Cambria is history. I'd rather see the money spent north. The So Cal tributaries have too many up-stream issues beyond the existence of a ladder. I could not stay for the FOX comments, I know the talking points very well by now when it comes to the environment, "fish versus people" etc. My colleague got a grant to create a documentary film about the steelhead recovery program for the southern California streams. He could find "smolts" in a couple tributaries like Malibu Creek and the Ventura River, but no adults. Remember also that a lot of private money from groups like Trout Unlimited and The Nature Conservancy goes into these recovery efforts... but I'm sure FOX did not mention that money, since it does not follow the format for anger generation, rather than education. I did not get a hint of the "fish vs people" idea from this, but the idea of spending when you have no money was there. I just thought that it looked pretty polluted and not much flow. After reading and thinking a little more, I would think that workable fish ladders that do not need much maintenance would be the least of the problems as you point out. |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Jun 16, 2010 10:37:54 GMT -8
I am questioning whether or not the fish will still be there when the investment is made. And what is the goal, to increase the Steelhead population or increasing fishing tourism in the Santa Monica mountains? I always thought most trout could not surivive in the warm waters in Southern california, unless they only come upstream during the winter season?
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Post by uwaztec on Jun 16, 2010 13:12:10 GMT -8
I am questioning whether or not the fish will still be there when the investment is made. And what is the goal, to increase the Steelhead population or increasing fishing tourism in the Santa Monica mountains? I always thought most trout could not survive in the warm waters in Southern California, unless they only come upstream during the winter season? What is amazing is that any native steelhead have survived to this day in southern California. The cards are stacked heavily against them. Historically there were healthy steelhead runs south of Point Conception. At one time 7,000 returning adults were counted at the Ventura River.... I think they had 50 this year. Its not the warm waters of the Pacific that is the problem, but the extremely disturbed habitat of the streams. Increased water temperatures and decreased flow are due to dams, irrigation, channelization and mining etc. Over-hanging vegetation is also necessary to keep the fresh water cool, and much of that is gone. There will never be viable sport fishing for steelhead again in southern California...this is just a last ditch effort to save the population and the gene pool. Weather it is worth the money and effort is up for debate. |
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