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Post by aztec619 on Jan 1, 2011 21:03:00 GMT -8
Steve's heart is in the right place here. He was at the center of the Aztec Warrior situation, and most likely invested not just a ton of hours, but some of his own money. No need to criticize him or dub him a fool, we can politely and respectfully disagree. I am in the same camp as SGF. I have no problem with Zuma as a supplemental, fan friendly mascot. If the Aztec Warrior's duties are curtailed or eliminated for the feline......I'm going to be f'ing pissed. And a whole new can of worms will be opened. +4 +5 I agree, let's keep the personal attacks away. I was not there 10 years ago for the meetings that brought us the aztec warrior so I am very greatful we do have one. I wish we still had the OG Monty Montezuma back but the aztec warrior will do. I too am not worried that Zuma is replacing our aztec warrior but if it ever did, I would be hella pissed and the admin would know about it. If any of them are reading this, please do not take away our aztec warrior. Monty is gone (and we all are still pissed about it) so don't even think about taking our warrior! Zuma is cool for the kids and doesn't really bother me. But it better not be our primary mascot, it should be the warrior. There my $.02
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Post by thomgeno on Jan 1, 2011 21:03:02 GMT -8
The only problem I have with Zuma as supplemental, is that it's being pushed into the limelight all the time and the Aztec Warrior is getting much less attention from the admins.
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Post by sdsportfan on Jan 1, 2011 21:29:24 GMT -8
Ok Ok I'm confused...whose kids is Zuma for?
I know we are ALL kids, perphaps this is what the admin meant, because the cat certainly doesn't spend time with those individuals under 10!
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Post by OfficialAztecINSIDER on Jan 1, 2011 21:32:14 GMT -8
The only problem I have with Zuma as supplemental, is that it's being pushed into the limelight all the time and the Aztec Warrior is getting much less attention from the admins. Your crush on Steve is creepy.
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Post by traholder on Jan 1, 2011 21:36:04 GMT -8
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Post by Pssst13 on Jan 1, 2011 21:39:34 GMT -8
Steve's heart is in the right place here. He was at the center of the Aztec Warrior situation, and most likely invested not just a ton of hours, but some of his own money. No need to criticize him or dub him a fool, we can politely and respectfully disagree. I am in the same camp as SGF. I have no problem with Zuma as a supplemental, fan friendly mascot. If the Aztec Warrior's duties are curtailed or eliminated for the feline......I'm going to be f'ing pissed. And a whole new can of worms will be opened. I can't believe I'm doing this... I agree with your post Jjjjjossssh
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Post by KickAztec on Jan 1, 2011 22:01:05 GMT -8
Steve,
Is the following quote taken from one of your posts on the opening page true, and is there a way to verify this? I'm concerned about the word "allegedly."
Is he leaving and are they not looking to find a replacement? If so, that would be a pretty huge smoking gun.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Jan 1, 2011 22:43:28 GMT -8
Look Steve has a flair for the dramatic, and when he really cares about a cause he will take it as far a necessary to make sure the right cause wins out. This is a cause that is near and dear to Steve. We should all be thankful for that.
Steve is one of the key cogs that brought Monty back from death (reincarnated as Aztec Warrior). If anyone has a the ability to forsee a consipacy to do away with AW in favor of some stuffed childs toy it is Steve. You young wipper snappers need to STFU and respect the man.
Now, as for myself, I fall more towards Joshes point of view. I could care less about the fuzzy puma, but I do heed Steves warning. So should you if you care to keep AW as a mascot.
Personally, I'd prefer to see Monty brought back in name and likeness.
One last thing. My three kids all think the puma thing is stupid. The older one remembers Monty and prefers the OG over AW even. In our house AW is still called Monty.
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Post by onelittleindian on Jan 1, 2011 22:45:00 GMT -8
Kind of funny how so many complain about a person beating a dead horse, yet in their complaining of the original person/issues, over and over, thread after thread, they're essentially doing the same thing that's getting them all riled up ... Crazy people. Crazy World. Once threads fall off the first page they're usually dead, why keep rehashing ones you seem to hate?
If this story is true, hopefully it's investigated and the appropriate measures taken.
My take on Zuma is as follows (I plan to only state this once): Overall I'm not a fan and I believe that there is intent to do away with "Monty" as the long-term plan. Do I hate him? No. If he stays off the field/court, plays with the kids (my 7yo niece initially didn't like him, but the end of the game she did) and maybe does kids-related stuff in the community, then that's fine with me. Personally, in the two times I've been near Zuma, "it" was a distraction to me in that "it" needs to pick-up on cues if a person wants to play along or just have "it" move along.
The bottom line is (and always is) money. If they remove Monty I GUARANTEE you that AT LEAST 30% of money donated to the AAF/Aztec Club will disappear -- mine included. In the end, if/when push comes to shove, common sense (and the greenbacks) will prevail.
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Post by aztecfred on Jan 1, 2011 22:53:03 GMT -8
Fellow Aztec fans...Thanks for the support...BUT... It will be too late to state our opinion if it happens again. We must act NOW!!!....Not after the fact. Zuma must be run out NOW...Not after the Aztec Warrior is gone. Have we not learned anything from the past? Weber saw clearly what happened when the mascot issue last came up. He is a very intelligent man, I doubt he would allow Zuma to replace the Warrior. Why would he or other admins want the same fight as before? I'm not naive. I'm not a fool. I just don't think the Warrior is being phased out, Steve. I see Zuma as a supplemental, family friendly mascot only. Weber is going to be gone this year. He could do a lot of things in regards to this question before he leaves. With his history in this matter I'm scared to think what could happen. It's not like he let 1/2 of 1% of the students get rid of Monty. Whoops! Which led to Ambassadork and then fought against everyone else when we tried to get Monty back. Now he's turned a blind eye to the BYWHO Cougar so it can mingle and bond with the kids while the Aztec Warrior represents a more ( what is it Campy- regal and majestic? can't remember the quote) of the Aztec legacy. Seems like we should be vigilant in this as complacency of the masses is taking hold. keep up the fight Steve.
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Post by Cwag on Jan 1, 2011 23:26:25 GMT -8
Thanks God we got another Zuma thread! I was going into withdrawls.... ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
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Post by ned4 on Jan 1, 2011 23:30:18 GMT -8
If Chuck Long is the person inside Zuma's costume, Steve's head will explode.
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Post by Cwag on Jan 1, 2011 23:31:27 GMT -8
I think Zuma was a Chuck Long recruit ;D
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Post by classaztec on Jan 2, 2011 0:00:18 GMT -8
Steve, Is the following quote taken from one of your posts on the opening page true, and is there a way to verify this? I'm concerned about the word "allegedly." Is he leaving and are they not looking to find a replacement? If so, that would be a pretty huge smoking gun. Steve doesn't know what the f x x x he is talking about. Let's not pander or give credence to his hearsay. I think he gets some kind of sick pleasure about riling people up one way or the other. I don't even want to post because it just bumps this thread again but it really is embarrassing how much this gets discussed. I feel like if we all put on our big kid hats and glasses we can look at what's going on with the paranoia surrounding 2 f****** college kids in a furry jaguar costume and laugh at the utter lunacy regarding a pulled-out-of-a-nutjob's-ass random speculations and contrived musings. Also, please don't respond to this post Steve. I'm sure that deep down you have good intentions and are a passionate, nice guy. I just really don't give a $#!+ about whatever the hell you might have to say. And according to my crazy conspiracy theory, neither do 98% of the people on this board.
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Post by AztecFemBone on Jan 2, 2011 0:32:13 GMT -8
The bottom line is (and always is) money. If they remove Monty I GUARANTEE you that AT LEAST 30% of money donated to the AAF/Aztec Club will disappear -- mine included. In the end, if/when push comes to shove, common sense (and the greenbacks) will prevail. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 0:47:03 GMT -8
Not giving a rat's ass one way or another about Zuma until there's actual evidence that action is again going to be taken to try to eliminate the Aztec Warrior is not the same as thinking Zuma is wonderful. I contributed several years ago both monetarily and via communication with the president's office when they threatened to eliminate the Warrior. If they do that again, I'm prepared to oppose such action in a similar fashion. But until then I'm not going to lose any sleep over mere innuendo. And then it will be too late again. How many times are you going to be fooled? It wasn't too late LAST TIME, Steve. Look, the great majority of us appreciate all the effort you guys put into the Aztec Warrior Foundation and as Josh said, we know your heart's in the right place. However, we also think for that reason you can't see the forest for the trees on this Zuma thing.
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Post by aztechusbone on Jan 2, 2011 0:48:42 GMT -8
Hey RockShow: You are young, you don't know the history, you weren't involved, so just F*** off. Thanks, The Rest Of Us That Give a Sh*t. Steve, Is the following quote taken from one of your posts on the opening page true, and is there a way to verify this? I'm concerned about the word "allegedly." Is he leaving and are they not looking to find a replacement? If so, that would be a pretty huge smoking gun. Steve doesn't know what the X X X X he is talking about. Let's not pander or give credence to his hearsay. I think he gets some kind of sick pleasure about riling people up one way or the other. I don't even want to post because it just bumps this thread again but it really is embarrassing how much this gets discussed. I feel like if we all put on our big kid hats and glasses we can look at what's going on with the paranoia surrounding 2 X X X X ing college kids in a furry jaguar costume and laugh at the utter lunacy regarding a pulled-out-of-a-nutjob's-ass random speculations and contrived musings. Also, please don't respond to this post Steve. I'm sure that deep down you have good intentions and are a passionate, nice guy. I just really don't give a $#!+ about whatever the hell you might have to say. And according to my crazy conspiracy theory, neither do 98% of the people on this board.
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Post by classaztec on Jan 2, 2011 1:40:09 GMT -8
Hey RockShow: You are young, you don't know the history, you weren't involved, so just F*** off. Thanks, The Rest Of Us That Give a Sh*t. Steve doesn't know what the X X X X he is talking about. Let's not pander or give credence to his hearsay. I think he gets some kind of sick pleasure about riling people up one way or the other. I don't even want to post because it just bumps this thread again but it really is embarrassing how much this gets discussed. I feel like if we all put on our big kid hats and glasses we can look at what's going on with the paranoia surrounding 2 X X X X ing college kids in a furry jaguar costume and laugh at the utter lunacy regarding a pulled-out-of-a-nutjob's-ass random speculations and contrived musings. Also, please don't respond to this post Steve. I'm sure that deep down you have good intentions and are a passionate, nice guy. I just really don't give a $#!+ about whatever the hell you might have to say. And according to my crazy conspiracy theory, neither do 98% of the people on this board. Sigh. I guess I'll respond to this. Dude, I know about the Aztec Warrior foundation and I remember when there wasn't a mascot and it looked like certain people were going to get their way and possibly get rid of Monty for good. I know how Steve, Bruce, and others "saved" the Aztec mascot. I know the history and I have a pretty good idea of what is going on now. Which is why I can call bull$#!+ on what Steve is saying. Thanks, Those of us who are informed and don't make idiotic assumptions about people because of their handle on a message board.
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Post by aztechusbone on Jan 2, 2011 2:44:36 GMT -8
Hahaha! I luv this board. My "idiotic assumption" about your age was based on the facts given in your profile. I actually like your handle! Hey RockShow: You are young, you don't know the history, you weren't involved, so just F*** off. Thanks, The Rest Of Us That Give a Sh*t. Sigh. I guess I'll respond to this. Dude, I know about the Aztec Warrior foundation and I remember when there wasn't a mascot and it looked like certain people were going to get their way and possibly get rid of Monty for good. I know how Steve, Bruce, and others "saved" the Aztec mascot. I know the history and I have a pretty good idea of what is going on now. Which is why I can call bull$#!+ on what Steve is saying. Thanks, Those of us who are informed and don't make idiotic assumptions about people because of their handle on a message board.
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Post by k5james on Jan 2, 2011 2:56:00 GMT -8
See my sig...
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