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Post by azson on Dec 27, 2010 8:56:05 GMT -8
Living in Nor Cal now I read much less SD-based news (AM is my primary source). Can someone please explain how Norv continues to hold onto his HC job? Does ownership love him for some warped reason? I have the misfortune of getting the 49ers TVized up here every week and believe it or not, from what I've seen from the Charger games I've had the displeasure to watch, Singletary is the 2nd most befuddled/unprepared looking HC in the NFL - #1 HAS to be Nauseating Norv.
If anyone can shed some light on the subject with their own opinions or links into the mind of Charger ownership, I'd greatly appreciate it!
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 9:21:10 GMT -8
AJ Smith. His massive ego won't admit his mistake in hiring Turner in the first place. He gave him a contract extension last season, and has never given any indication that anything is wrong.
In the last 4 years we have gotten progressively worse. Norv has gone from winning two playoff games, to one, to none, and now to missing the playoffs altogether.
Any other GM would have axed Turner this morning.
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Post by azson on Dec 27, 2010 9:38:12 GMT -8
Tks for the reply JJ. So it's AJ. What's the relationship between ownership and him? Sounds like that might be the warped connection that's the prob?
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 9:44:20 GMT -8
Tks for the reply JJ. So it's AJ. What's the relationship between ownership and him? Sounds like that might be the warped connection that's the prob? I have no direct evidence on this, so I don't know....but it seems to me that Spanos fully believes in Smith as his GM, and gives him full executive authority. He certainly had the authority to give Norv a contract extension after last season. Smith calls all the shots. Spanos apparently goes with it. |
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Post by traholder on Dec 27, 2010 11:00:44 GMT -8
I think he will be fired after the finale but we will see, you just don't fire a guy after playoff seasons, that being said talent is now also an issue imo, especially at FS, DE, MLB, OL
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 11:10:27 GMT -8
I think he will be fired after the finale but we will see, you just don't fire a guy after playoff seasons, that being said talent is now also an issue imo, especially at FS, DE, MLB, OL They fired Marty after a playoff season. After a 14 win season. |
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Post by traholder on Dec 27, 2010 11:21:49 GMT -8
I think he will be fired after the finale but we will see, you just don't fire a guy after playoff seasons, that being said talent is now also an issue imo, especially at FS, DE, MLB, OL They fired Marty after a playoff season. After a 14 win season. that doesn't count, pretty sure Marty was fired cause he had sex with Dean's wife |
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 27, 2010 13:00:58 GMT -8
IF Norv is fired (AJ wont do it if you ask me), something to chew on when pondering the "big names". A couple of things to keep in mind when you consider "celebrity'' coaches, notably Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher: No coach who has won a Super Bowl has ever won a second with a new team (and Mike Shanahan doesn't look like he's about to win anything soon.) Example: Bill Parcells kept going a level lower at each stop -- two Super Bowl wins with the Giants; a Super Bowl loss with the Patriots; an AFC championship game with the Jets; and a one-and-done in the playoffs with the Cowboys.
Beyond that, four of this year's best coaches -- Andy Reid, Mike Smith, Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris -- were total unknowns when they were hired. Only Smith and Tomlin were coordinators. And remember that owners currently pleading "poverty'' during talks with the union can get those kinds of coaches cheaper than they can get Gruden, Cowher, Fox or college "celebrities'' like Jim Harbaugh or even Nick Saban. (Saban's name has come up, but he's unlikely to go back to the NFL -- he's a control freak who can't get total control or control the media the way he can in college.)Read more: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/12/27/fanhousemikesingletarywontbe.DTL#ixzz19LdWQHPo |
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Post by traholder on Dec 27, 2010 13:55:29 GMT -8
which is a reason i want Harbaugh, I prefer they go young
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Post by azson on Dec 28, 2010 9:48:29 GMT -8
I think he will be fired after the finale but we will see, you just don't fire a guy after playoff seasons, that being said talent is now also an issue imo, especially at FS, DE, MLB, OL Doesn't look like it T [barf]: sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5962286 |
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 28, 2010 9:51:44 GMT -8
I think he will be fired after the finale but we will see, you just don't fire a guy after playoff seasons, that being said talent is now also an issue imo, especially at FS, DE, MLB, OL Doesn't look like it T [barf]: sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5962286Saw it coming. I was 100% sure AJ was returning, and 80% on Norv. The 20% was my hope that Spanos would overrule AJ and can Norv, but I doubted it. Dissapointing, but I am hoping for better returns next year. |
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Post by azson on Dec 28, 2010 10:02:10 GMT -8
Saw it coming. I was 100% sure AJ was returning, and 80% on Norv. The 20% was my hope that Spanos would overrule AJ and can Norv, but I doubted it. Dissapointing, but I am hoping for better returns next year. Wish I had your hope JJ... |
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 28, 2010 10:05:13 GMT -8
Saw it coming. I was 100% sure AJ was returning, and 80% on Norv. The 20% was my hope that Spanos would overrule AJ and can Norv, but I doubted it. Dissapointing, but I am hoping for better returns next year. Wish I had your hope JJ... Doesn't mean I expect it.  I mean, Norv has had the team in the AFC Champ game before, so there is THAT potential......but the constant awful starts fall square at the feet of the head coach. I better coach could have won A super bowl with the personnel we had from 2006-2009. espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/34458/chargers-no-big-changesThe day after the Chargers were eliminated from the playoffs for the first time since 2005, ownership told the San Diego Union Tribune that coach Norv Turner and general manager A.J. Smith will be back. Ownership backs Smith and Smith backs Turner. The only way Turner could have been in trouble was if ownership decided to make wholesale changes |
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Post by joshjones1 on Dec 28, 2010 10:13:17 GMT -8
I was secretly holding out hope for Jeff Fisher. Harbaugh would have been my ideal choice, but knew the odds were very slim.
I don't need a "celebrity coach" because Mike Smith, Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy, and Raheem Morris show you can win without hiring the biggest name.
I just feel Fisher would provide the intelligence and leadership to get us over the hump. It's a moot point now.
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Post by k5james on Dec 28, 2010 10:17:51 GMT -8
I was secretly holding out hope for Jeff Fisher. Harbaugh would have been my ideal choice, but knew the odds were very slim. I don't need a "celebrity coach" because Mike Smith, Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy, and Raheem Morris show you can win without hiring the biggest name. I just feel Fisher would provide the intelligence and leadership to get us over the hump. It's a moot point now. Hopefully this is a redux of the '04-'06 years. '04 - Lose in the first round at home to the Jets. '05 - 9-7 miss playoffs/called most talented team NOT in playoffs '06 - 14-2 #1 seed Let's just hope we finish off the last one a bit better than '06. |
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Post by azson on Dec 28, 2010 10:31:24 GMT -8
I was secretly holding out hope for Jeff Fisher. Harbaugh would have been my ideal choice, but knew the odds were very slim. I don't need a "celebrity coach" because Mike Smith, Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy, and Raheem Morris show you can win without hiring the biggest name. I just feel Fisher would provide the intelligence and leadership to get us over the hump. It's a moot point now. Not that it's a realistic option, but I want The Chin/Jaw. I want my HC to look like/act like/be a tank commander - nod to Bobby Ross, the only HC to ever get us to The Big Dance. I forget what Charger made the bonehead play in '94, but Ross just gave him "The Look" and that was all that was needed - I've seen Cowher give that look too. Heck, even Shot - playoff HC nightmare aside - gave it occasionally! That's what I want from my HC, not the uber-milquetoast Nauseating Norv, the polar opposite of it. |
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Post by azson on Dec 28, 2010 10:33:42 GMT -8
I was secretly holding out hope for Jeff Fisher. Harbaugh would have been my ideal choice, but knew the odds were very slim. I don't need a "celebrity coach" because Mike Smith, Andy Reid, Mike McCarthy, and Raheem Morris show you can win without hiring the biggest name. I just feel Fisher would provide the intelligence and leadership to get us over the hump. It's a moot point now. Hopefully this is a redux of the '04-'06 years. '04 - Lose in the first round at home to the Jets. '05 - 9-7 miss playoffs/called most talented team NOT in playoffs '06 - 14-2 #1 seed Let's just hope we finish off the last one a bit better than '06. That would be nice KJ, but I'll eat my hat if the Bolts go 14-2 or better with this staff next season... |
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Post by azson on Dec 28, 2010 10:34:59 GMT -8
add #1 seed to that list too...
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Post by sdsportfan on Dec 28, 2010 21:57:22 GMT -8
He has naked photos
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Post by jhonka34 on Dec 28, 2010 22:38:26 GMT -8
Best winning record in Charger history. Tied for the best playoff record in Charger history. (I put Bobby Ross in front of him because of the aforementioned Super Bowl appearance, though as you may recall, they barely appeared in that game.) Full support of the GM. A desire not to see him as OC for another team (maybe under whomever Denver hires). Last years extension. And the ease of explaining this years schedule on a rash of bad luck, injuries, etc. (I'm not saying its a valid reason, just that it is easy to use as an excuse to make the decision not to fire if you don't want to fire him).
These are the reasons Norv will be back.
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