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Post by aztecwin on May 29, 2010 15:02:52 GMT -8
starturl.com/kguraObama skips laying wreath for a vacation. His second during the oil spill crises.
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 29, 2010 16:40:37 GMT -8
The real problem is that Barack Obama, rightly or wrongly, is associated with persons whose attitude toward the USA is lukewarm at best. One is free to believe anything one wants to, of course. But there are consequences for anyone, especially if he is President of the USA, who seems to be more enthusiastic about building international political structures than he is about applauding the unique accomplishments of the country he leads.
The bowing and scraping and apologizing to foreign crowds simply are not pluses for one who is Commander-in-Chief. If the latter cannot stand before his people and/or troops and say, "Hell yes we are exceptional! What other country has created the most stirring celebration of human dignity in history, the United States Constitution? Flawless we are not, to be sure. But our goals and values are worth defending and even, sadly, worth dying for!" Do you think that Barack Obama could give a speech like that and make people believe it? Reagan could. Obama cannot. He cannot because, I feel, he is too involved in cataloging the areas in which we fall short rather those areas in which we have achieved greatness. Instead, Obama speaks of the U.S. with the enthusiasm of a book keeper reciting monthly reports.
For many, patriotism is outmoded and constitutes an impediment standing in the way of the inexorable march toward. . . toward what? Toward something not inspired by the U.S. Constitution, that's for sure.
Any Chief Executive who cannot command the respect and enthusiastic collaboration of the forces he commands has a problem. FDR commanded that respect, as did Eisenhower, Reagan and G.W. Bush. Obama does not and likely it's too late for him to change that situation. Our nation is diminished by that fact.
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Post by tuff on May 30, 2010 13:46:30 GMT -8
The real problem is that Barack Obama, rightly or wrongly, is associated with persons whose attitude toward the USA is lukewarm at best. One is free to believe anything one wants to, of course. But there are consequences for anyone, especially if he is President of the USA, who seems to be more enthusiastic about building international political structures than he is about applauding the unique accomplishments of the country he leads. The bowing and scraping and apologizing to foreign crowds simply are not pluses for one who is Commander-in-Chief. If the latter cannot stand before his people and/or troops and say, "Hell yes we are exceptional! What other country has created the most stirring celebration of human dignity in history, the United States Constitution? Flawless we are not, to be sure. But our goals and values are worth defending and even, sadly, worth dying for!" Do you think that Barack Obama could give a speech like that and make people believe it? Reagan could. Obama cannot. He cannot because, I feel, he is too involved in cataloging the areas in which we fall short rather those areas in which we have achieved greatness. Instead, Obama speaks of the U.S. with the enthusiasm of a book keeper reciting monthly reports. For many, patriotism is outmoded and constitutes an impediment standing in the way of the inexorable march toward. . . toward what? Toward something not inspired by the U.S. Constitution, that's for sure. Any Chief Executive who cannot command the respect and enthusiastic collaboration of the forces he commands has a problem. FDR commanded that respect, as did Eisenhower, Reagan and G.W. Bush. Obama does not and likely it's too late for him to change that situation. Our nation is diminished by that fact. AzWm Nice post. I totally agree. |
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Post by aztecron on May 31, 2010 15:31:58 GMT -8
Sometimes I think we as a public get too caught up in other politicians partisanship and just follow along with their political potshots without any thoughts of our own to really verify. Its as if whatever party you belong to says something the followers of that party just regurgitate it without any thought at all. Its really damn frustrating. Here are a couple of paragraphs from the below linked article. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37436443/ns/us_news-life "Before the storm hit, and in advance of his appearance at the podium, Obama had visited a section of headstones where two Marines awaited him. After laying a wreath, he bowed his head in a moment of silence, his hands tightly clasped. Then a lone bugler played Taps. After leaving the cemetery, Obama met privately with families of veterans and service members currently living at the Fisher House in Hines, Ill. It serves as a home away from home for family members whose loved ones are getting treatment at the Veterans Affairs hospital in Hines, which is about 12 miles west of downtown Chicago. " "At Arlington, Biden carried out the traditional wreath-laying at the Tomb of the Unknowns under a brilliant sunshine. The vice president, accompanied by Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the country's service members are "the heart and soul and, I would, say spine of this nation." He said taking part in the annual ceremony was "the greatest honor of my public life." So the President has a planned outing in Illinois to honor our fallen heroes and has the VP lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Why is that bad? He's not the first one to ever have done that! Again, I wonder what is so grievous about him honoring our fallen brethren on this great day in a National Cemetery in Illinois while he has the VP lay a wreath at Arlington? My family from my grandfather down to my sons are all retired or active duty military and take no offense at this action. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 1, 2010 4:40:36 GMT -8
Sometimes I think we as a public get too caught up in other politicians partisanship and just follow along with their political potshots without any thoughts of our own to really verify. Its as if whatever party you belong to says something the followers of that party just regurgitate it without any thought at all. Its really damn frustrating. Here are a couple of paragraphs from the below linked article. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37436443/ns/us_news-life "Before the storm hit, and in advance of his appearance at the podium, Obama had visited a section of headstones where two Marines awaited him. After laying a wreath, he bowed his head in a moment of silence, his hands tightly clasped. Then a lone bugler played Taps. After leaving the cemetery, Obama met privately with families of veterans and service members currently living at the Fisher House in Hines, Ill. It serves as a home away from home for family members whose loved ones are getting treatment at the Veterans Affairs hospital in Hines, which is about 12 miles west of downtown Chicago. " "At Arlington, Biden carried out the traditional wreath-laying at the Tomb of the Unknowns under a brilliant sunshine. The vice president, accompanied by Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the country's service members are "the heart and soul and, I would, say spine of this nation." He said taking part in the annual ceremony was "the greatest honor of my public life." So the President has a planned outing in Illinois to honor our fallen heroes and has the VP lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Why is that bad? He's not the first one to ever have done that! Again, I wonder what is so grievous about him honoring our fallen brethren on this great day in a National Cemetery in Illinois while he has the VP lay a wreath at Arlington? My family from my grandfather down to my sons are all retired or active duty military and take no offense at this action. I guess it all comes down to how you see things based on your political beliefs and your value system. I sse no problem in the way it is laid out by MSNBC, but this is war time and we have a huge enviornamental crisis on our hands. This is no time to be in Chicago on vaction playing basketball, BBQing and such. For me, it is just a downright distrust and dislike for a liberal. |
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Post by aztecron on Jun 1, 2010 12:40:39 GMT -8
Sometimes I think we as a public get too caught up in other politicians partisanship and just follow along with their political potshots without any thoughts of our own to really verify. Its as if whatever party you belong to says something the followers of that party just regurgitate it without any thought at all. Its really damn frustrating. Here are a couple of paragraphs from the below linked article. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37436443/ns/us_news-life "Before the storm hit, and in advance of his appearance at the podium, Obama had visited a section of headstones where two Marines awaited him. After laying a wreath, he bowed his head in a moment of silence, his hands tightly clasped. Then a lone bugler played Taps. After leaving the cemetery, Obama met privately with families of veterans and service members currently living at the Fisher House in Hines, Ill. It serves as a home away from home for family members whose loved ones are getting treatment at the Veterans Affairs hospital in Hines, which is about 12 miles west of downtown Chicago. " "At Arlington, Biden carried out the traditional wreath-laying at the Tomb of the Unknowns under a brilliant sunshine. The vice president, accompanied by Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the country's service members are "the heart and soul and, I would, say spine of this nation." He said taking part in the annual ceremony was "the greatest honor of my public life." So the President has a planned outing in Illinois to honor our fallen heroes and has the VP lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Why is that bad? He's not the first one to ever have done that! Again, I wonder what is so grievous about him honoring our fallen brethren on this great day in a National Cemetery in Illinois while he has the VP lay a wreath at Arlington? My family from my grandfather down to my sons are all retired or active duty military and take no offense at this action. I guess it all comes down to how you see things based on your political beliefs and your value system. I sse no problem in the way it is laid out by MSNBC, but this is war time and we have a huge enviornamental crisis on our hands. This is no time to be in Chicago on vaction playing basketball, BBQing and such. For me, it is just a downright distrust and dislike for a liberal. Was it okay for "W" to be up in Kennebunkport in 2007 on vacation and have Cheney lay the wreath for him while we we're at War? I don't remember a big stink about that incident. Does that one upset you as well? If it does how about you make it publicly known that it upsets you as much this incident with Obama has upset you. From your words its okay though for a "conservative"  Republican President to do the same. So what does that tell us about your leanings? It can't be about politics as both a "liberal" and a "conservative" President both Republican and Democrat have done it. Both in a time of War. Both took vacations during this time frame. So what is it you really mean Win?  I'm just curious. |
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 1, 2010 13:28:16 GMT -8
starturl.com/kguraObama skips laying wreath for a vacation. His second during the oil spill crises. He takes more vacations than days he works. He has handled that crises real well uh?  |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 1, 2010 15:11:50 GMT -8
I guess it all comes down to how you see things based on your political beliefs and your value system. I sse no problem in the way it is laid out by MSNBC, but this is war time and we have a huge environmental crisis on our hands. This is no time to be in Chicago on vacation playing basketball, BBQing and such. For me, it is just a downright distrust and dislike for a liberal. Was it okay for "W" to be up in Kennebunkport in 2007 on vacation and have Cheney lay the wreath for him while we we're at War? I don't remember a big stink about that incident. Does that one upset you as well? If it does how about you make it publicly known that it upsets you as much this incident with Obama has upset you. From your words its okay though for a "conservative" Republican President to do the same. So what does that tell us about your leanings? It can't be about politics as both a "liberal" and a "conservative" President both Republican and Democrat have done it. Both in a time of War. Both took vacations during this time frame. So what is it you really mean Win? I'm just curious. I think that my last sentance laid it out pretty well. I have a real dislike for a liberal who spends more time apologizing for America than he does at work. He claims to be in charge during this oil spill crisis but runs off to Chicago to BBQ, play Basketball, and drink King Cobra. Don't you think that his should be taking care of business? I feel almost the same way about Bush, but my main problem with Bush was his lack of backbone in standing up to the liberals over spending. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 1, 2010 15:53:25 GMT -8
Sometimes I think we as a public get too caught up in other politicians partisanship and just follow along with their political potshots without any thoughts of our own to really verify. Its as if whatever party you belong to says something the followers of that party just regurgitate it without any thought at all. Its really damn frustrating. Here are a couple of paragraphs from the below linked article. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37436443/ns/us_news-life "Before the storm hit, and in advance of his appearance at the podium, Obama had visited a section of headstones where two Marines awaited him. After laying a wreath, he bowed his head in a moment of silence, his hands tightly clasped. Then a lone bugler played Taps. After leaving the cemetery, Obama met privately with families of veterans and service members currently living at the Fisher House in Hines, Ill. It serves as a home away from home for family members whose loved ones are getting treatment at the Veterans Affairs hospital in Hines, which is about 12 miles west of downtown Chicago. " "At Arlington, Biden carried out the traditional wreath-laying at the Tomb of the Unknowns under a brilliant sunshine. The vice president, accompanied by Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the country's service members are "the heart and soul and, I would, say spine of this nation." He said taking part in the annual ceremony was "the greatest honor of my public life." So the President has a planned outing in Illinois to honor our fallen heroes and has the VP lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Why is that bad? He's not the first one to ever have done that! Again, I wonder what is so grievous about him honoring our fallen brethren on this great day in a National Cemetery in Illinois while he has the VP lay a wreath at Arlington? My family from my grandfather down to my sons are all retired or active duty military and take no offense at this action. Hear Hear !!! It should be noted that the VP just had a son return from Iraq. The President did him a gread honor by asking him to perform this service. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 1, 2010 15:56:15 GMT -8
Was it okay for "W" to be up in Kennebunkport in 2007 on vacation and have Cheney lay the wreath for him while we we're at War? I don't remember a big stink about that incident. Does that one upset you as well? If it does how about you make it publicly known that it upsets you as much this incident with Obama has upset you. From your words its okay though for a "conservative" Republican President to do the same. So what does that tell us about your leanings? It can't be about politics as both a "liberal" and a "conservative" President both Republican and Democrat have done it. Both in a time of War. Both took vacations during this time frame. So what is it you really mean Win? I'm just curious. I think that my last sentance laid it out pretty well. I have a real dislike for a liberal who spends more time apologizing for America than he does at work. He claims to be in charge during this oil spill crisis but runs off to Chicago to BBQ, play Basketball, and drink King Cobra. Don't you think that his should be taking care of business? I feel almost the same way about Bush, but my main problem with Bush was his lack of backbone in standing up to the liberals over spending. Answer the question sir. |
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Post by aztecron on Jun 1, 2010 16:09:53 GMT -8
Was it okay for "W" to be up in Kennebunkport in 2007 on vacation and have Cheney lay the wreath for him while we we're at War? I don't remember a big stink about that incident. Does that one upset you as well? If it does how about you make it publicly known that it upsets you as much this incident with Obama has upset you. From your words its okay though for a "conservative" Republican President to do the same. So what does that tell us about your leanings? It can't be about politics as both a "liberal" and a "conservative" President both Republican and Democrat have done it. Both in a time of War. Both took vacations during this time frame. So what is it you really mean Win? I'm just curious. I think that my last sentance laid it out pretty well. I have a real dislike for a liberal who spends more time apologizing for America than he does at work. He claims to be in charge during this oil spill crisis but runs off to Chicago to BBQ, play Basketball, and drink King Cobra. Don't you think that his should be taking care of business? I feel almost the same way about Bush, but my main problem with Bush was his lack of backbone in standing up to the liberals over spending. As I suspected your answer might be. I'm sure the POTUS can be reached anywhere at anytime as needed. He's made two trips down there, and one just this past weekend. Yep, I'm sure he's out drinking Cobra instead of leading our country. Did you really resort to saying that and is that truly what you think? Wow. Its okay Win, I get you don't like to open your mind because its easier to keep your stereotyped personas for the ease of intellectual expanse of energy. In other words lazy. Appreciate the effort in trying to answer with non answer. I'll move on to others who wish to discuss in reality, not idiotic, lazy stereotypes. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 1, 2010 16:54:48 GMT -8
I think that my last sentence laid it out pretty well. I have a real dislike for a liberal who spends more time apologizing for America than he does at work. He claims to be in charge during this oil spill crisis but runs off to Chicago to BBQ, play Basketball, and drink King Cobra. Don't you think that his should be taking care of business? I feel almost the same way about Bush, but my main problem with Bush was his lack of backbone in standing up to the liberals over spending. Answer the question sir. That, sir, is the answer. A liberal apologizing for our existence is just sickening. |
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Republican President to do the same. So what does that tell us about your leanings? It can't be about politics as both a "liberal" and a "conservative" President both Republican and Democrat have done it. Both in a time of War. Both took vacations during this time frame. So what is it you really mean Win? 
