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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 11, 2024 10:00:03 GMT -8
So we got a head coach who could help us compete vs MAC schools in the future. Fantastic! But we loss to a MAC team with a former mtn west coach! It's a 2-3 year plan to beat MAC programs 😂 |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 11, 2024 10:57:55 GMT -8
I would normally say it's too early to jump to a conclusion, but his play calling and personnel choices are inexcusable at times. I don't think he's the guy at all, but financially we can't fire him this year.
If we suck again next year (likely) and have obvious coaching blunders like we do this year, then I do think we should bite the bullet and fire him though
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Post by Den60 on Nov 11, 2024 13:01:03 GMT -8
If you are trying to come across as intelligent, posts like this surely aren't helping. I'm pretty sure Rocky Long would have gone with zero to one wins (maybe a win at ASU) in those games despite having a team in a better conference with a bigger budget than the MAC. 😂 You mean the same head coach who took New Mexico to bowl games? Your unfounded myopia is exactly why you can't discern the difference between a coach who got the best out of his players and a coach who misuses his top guys. Rocky Long was hired as a collegiate head coach twice. Both times he quit. He quit on SDSU because he was asked to make the game more entertaining so the program could make more money to help pay for the new stadium. He quit. So yeah, that colors my opinion of him. When people complain as to why we haven't been able to recruit quality QBs then just look at Rocky who wanted his QBs to handoff and not make any mistakes. When we had Coryell, did he make demands to his defensive coaches as to what to do and what defense to play? No. He just said, "get me the ball back." If you were honest with yourself, you would look at those 15 games Kent St played, mostly against P2 competition and all at their places, and realize that even Rocky at SDSU would have been lucky to win more than one. I remember the shellacking we got @tosu and @michigan, do you? Kent St played at Penn St, Oregon, Georgia, Oklahoma to name a few. Three road games like that a year. Rocky's record against P2 competition while at SDSU was 1-4 and the one win was at UCLA who is only a P2 program by association. So, when someone posts that Lewis had a losing record at Kent St. I am going to point out the schedule he had to play. I have always had a preference for defensive minded coaches but also those that don't find being offensive, offensive. This time around the consensus on here was for an offensive-minded coach. My preference was for Tony White. I am going to give the guy 3 years before I decide whether he is right for the job or not. |
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Post by aztech on Nov 11, 2024 13:04:10 GMT -8
You guys need to look at the big picture. Going back as far as 2000 we've never had a competent AD. IMO good ADs wouldn't come here since our presidents couldn't give them the money work with. So despite how well we did in football we couldn't generate profit without our own stadium. The coup de grace was they didn't know what a good affordable coach was anyway. The best hire was Brady Hoke's initial time here. I can't figure out who hired him between Jeff Schemmel getting fired and Jim Sterk's hiring. Regardless we're now stuck with a guy who got us Snap Dragon which we're thankful for, but like our previous ADs, still makes bad coaching hires despite having the means to make lots of revenue now. As I've written before, it's up to De la Torre to get it in gear so we can lead the nPAC. Then the Snap Dragon will become nothing but an expensive boondoggle. If that occurs then her ass will be on the line. Since she's gotten credit for getting it built on her watch she has to make a move to make it pay off. If those soccer teams pull out then our main revenue will be from football attendance which is already on shaky ground. |
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 11, 2024 13:10:22 GMT -8
If it's up to DLT, we're doomed. Then the Snap Dragon will become nothing but an expensive boondoggle. If that occurs then her ass will be on the line. Since she's gotten credit for getting it built on her watch she has to make a move to make it pay off. If those soccer teams pull out then our main revenue will be from football attendance which is already on shaky ground. They could just fill it up with water and call it San(d) Dragon stadium and put a Wave machine in it. |
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Post by pbnative on Nov 11, 2024 16:13:10 GMT -8
Look. At the end of the day, it's going to be about recruiting local talent and keeping them home. Can Lewis do it? We shall see. Good luck with that if Lucky Sutton leaves. Anthony McMillan and a couple of local OL barely made it out of spring camp before they left. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 12, 2024 13:28:40 GMT -8
😂 You mean the same head coach who took New Mexico to bowl games? Your unfounded myopia is exactly why you can't discern the difference between a coach who got the best out of his players and a coach who misuses his top guys. Rocky Long was hired as a collegiate head coach twice. Both times he quit. He quit on SDSU because he was asked to make the game more entertaining so the program could make more money to help pay for the new stadium. He quit. So yeah, that colors my opinion of him. When people complain as to why we haven't been able to recruit quality QBs then just look at Rocky who wanted his QBs to handoff and not make any mistakes. When we had Coryell, did he make demands to his defensive coaches as to what to do and what defense to play? No. He just said, "get me the ball back." If you were honest with yourself, you would look at those 15 games Kent St played, mostly against P2 competition and all at their places, and realize that even Rocky at SDSU would have been lucky to win more than one. I remember the shellacking we got @tosu and @michigan, do you? Kent St played at Penn St, Oregon, Georgia, Oklahoma to name a few. Three road games like that a year. Rocky's record against P2 competition while at SDSU was 1-4 and the one win was at UCLA who is only a P2 program by association. So, when someone posts that Lewis had a losing record at Kent St. I am going to point out the schedule he had to play. I have always had a preference for defensive minded coaches but also those that don't find being offensive, offensive. This time around the consensus on here was for an offensive-minded coach. My preference was for Tony White. I am going to give the guy 3 years before I decide whether he is right for the job or not. Didn't you argue that Lewis didn't play Daddy Ball and denied he favors his guys over returning players at one point? So who isn't being honest with themselves? |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 12, 2024 13:51:58 GMT -8
If he goes there will be trouble
And if he stays it will be double...
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Post by myownwords on Nov 12, 2024 14:14:10 GMT -8
Does ANYONE know what the exact process was for hiring Lewis?
Who had the most influence on the decision? I mean besides the obvious, AD and/or president signing the contract.
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Post by standiego on Nov 13, 2024 12:50:39 GMT -8
Lewis knows how to put together a good sales pitch to Ad's and Coaches - got Colorado to hire him and then SDSU - SDSU AD has now established that with the second hiring of Brady and now Lewis he does not see what is needed for a HC - maybe he can find another school that might want him Aztec fast
Thought the UNLV OC had applied before Lewis was hired - he has had to go through multiple QB's and still succeed
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Post by Den60 on Nov 13, 2024 12:57:18 GMT -8
If it's up to DLT, we're doomed. Then the Snap Dragon will become nothing but an expensive boondoggle. If that occurs then her ass will be on the line. Since she's gotten credit for getting it built on her watch she has to make a move to make it pay off. If those soccer teams pull out then our main revenue will be from football attendance which is already on shaky ground. Not sure what the Wave contract says, but the MSL team signed a 20 year contract. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 13, 2024 13:12:40 GMT -8
Rocky Long was hired as a collegiate head coach twice. Both times he quit. He quit on SDSU because he was asked to make the game more entertaining so the program could make more money to help pay for the new stadium. He quit. So yeah, that colors my opinion of him. When people complain as to why we haven't been able to recruit quality QBs then just look at Rocky who wanted his QBs to handoff and not make any mistakes. When we had Coryell, did he make demands to his defensive coaches as to what to do and what defense to play? No. He just said, "get me the ball back." If you were honest with yourself, you would look at those 15 games Kent St played, mostly against P2 competition and all at their places, and realize that even Rocky at SDSU would have been lucky to win more than one. I remember the shellacking we got @tosu and @michigan, do you? Kent St played at Penn St, Oregon, Georgia, Oklahoma to name a few. Three road games like that a year. Rocky's record against P2 competition while at SDSU was 1-4 and the one win was at UCLA who is only a P2 program by association. So, when someone posts that Lewis had a losing record at Kent St. I am going to point out the schedule he had to play. I have always had a preference for defensive minded coaches but also those that don't find being offensive, offensive. This time around the consensus on here was for an offensive-minded coach. My preference was for Tony White. I am going to give the guy 3 years before I decide whether he is right for the job or not. Didn't you argue that Lewis didn't play Daddy Ball and denied he favors his guys over returning players at one point? So who isn't being honest with themselves? I don't believe he does that, that has been my point consistently, and I think using terms like "Daddy Ball" is pretty childish. AJ Duffy was his guy to, and yet he was behind JTJ on the depth chart. We were 4-8 last year and some 54 players chose not to return so that really limits your argument. I believe three returnees were slated to play along the o-line and at least two of them were injured to start the season. I guess there are some on here who played team sports and felt their playing time was limited due to favoritism and that colors their views today. I just think a coach is going to put those on the field, court, track, mat, pool or course that gives them the best chance to win. It is funny to note that one of the reasons the Padres fired Bruce Bochy was that he had "favorites" in the clubhouse who he played more. Looking back, perhaps we shoulda kept the guy but that's just me. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 13, 2024 13:14:12 GMT -8
Lewis knows how to put together a good sales pitch to Ad's and Coaches - got Colorado to hire him and then SDSU - SDSU AD has now established that with the second hiring of Brady and now Lewis he does not see what is needed for a HC - maybe he can find another school that might want him Aztec fast Thought the UNLV OC had applied before Lewis was hired - he has had to go through multiple QB's and still succeed Has Marion ever been a head coach at the collegiate level? Do you note that he and Tony White are coaching at the same place they were coaching last year? |
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Post by LostAztec on Nov 13, 2024 14:06:39 GMT -8
I would normally say it's too early to jump to a conclusion, but his play calling and personnel choices are inexcusable at times. I don't think he's the guy at all, but financially we can't fire him this year. If we suck again next year (likely) and have obvious coaching blunders like we do this year, then I do think we should bite the bullet and fire him though His buyout is $6 mil this year, $4.6 mil next year and $3.85 mil the year after. Sadly, not going to happen. |
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 13, 2024 14:34:55 GMT -8
Lewis knows how to put together a good sales pitch to Ad's and Coaches - got Colorado to hire him and then SDSU - SDSU AD has now established that with the second hiring of Brady and now Lewis he does not see what is needed for a HC - maybe he can find another school that might want him Aztec fast Thought the UNLV OC had applied before Lewis was hired - he has had to go through multiple QB's and still succeed Has Marion ever been a head coach at the collegiate level? Do you note that he and Tony White are coaching at the same place they were coaching last year? Stan is this you, did you take over Den60 account? |
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 13, 2024 16:17:53 GMT -8
Maybe if the PAC ever gets another football school and the TV contract is significantly better than what we now get we will have a little more financial leeway?
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Post by tuff on Nov 13, 2024 17:21:44 GMT -8
I would normally say it's too early to jump to a conclusion, but his play calling and personnel choices are inexcusable at times. I don't think he's the guy at all, but financially we can't fire him this year. If we suck again next year (likely) and have obvious coaching blunders like we do this year, then I do think we should bite the bullet and fire him though His buyout is $6 mil this year, $4.6 mil next year and $3.85 mil the year after. Sadly, not going to happen. Thats one of the main reasons i refuse to donate anymore. This buyout crap is just plain nonsense. Not to mention these guys are WAY overpaid in the first place. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 13, 2024 20:18:11 GMT -8
Didn't you argue that Lewis didn't play Daddy Ball and denied he favors his guys over returning players at one point? So who isn't being honest with themselves? I don't believe he does that, that has been my point consistently, and I think using terms like "Daddy Ball" is pretty childish. AJ Duffy was his guy to, and yet he was behind JTJ on the depth chart. We were 4-8 last year and some 54 players chose not to return so that really limits your argument. I believe three returnees were slated to play along the o-line and at least two of them were injured to start the season. I guess there are some on here who played team sports and felt their playing time was limited due to favoritism and that colors their views today. I just think a coach is going to put those on the field, court, track, mat, pool or course that gives them the best chance to win. It is funny to note that one of the reasons the Padres fired Bruce Bochy was that he had "favorites" in the clubhouse who he played more. Looking back, perhaps we shoulda kept the guy but that's just me. How do you explain Jordan Napier finally getting his first start and only due to injury? Also, if Lewis isn't playing Daddy Ball, then why does Cooper have a higher percentage of carries than the best RB in the nation? The Boise fullback has more carries than all other RBs on the Aztecs. Also, love how you always attempt to appear above the fray while simultaneously adding to it like your passive-aggressive attempts to fictionalize my life. The least you could do is make me ruggedly handsome in your fiction. |
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Post by fowl on Nov 13, 2024 22:18:35 GMT -8
His buyout is $6 mil this year, $4.6 mil next year and $3.85 mil the year after. Sadly, not going to happen. Thats one of the main reasons i refuse to donate anymore. This buyout crap is just plain nonsense. Not to mention these guys are WAY overpaid in the first place. My thoughts as well and why I have advocated for a hedge fund-type of contract for college football HC's. You get a "small" guaranteed salary of say $300k-400k then you get say $250k per win, maybe $400k for a P4 win. Another $250k for appearing in the conference title game and $500k for winning the conference title game. $300k for a bowl win. $2 million for appearing in the cfb playoffs, $3mm for each cfb playoff win, and $10mm for a national title. That's a $25 million annual carrot available IF the coach performs. The base salary is guaranteed over the term of the contract - say 4-5 years. The comp is variable with our success and associated revenue so it won't put us in the poor house if the HC doesn't succeed and we have to fire him. Also, it certainly doesn't put the HC in the poor house if he doesn't succeed as he walks with >$2mm should he never win a single game. I've floated this to a relative of mine who is a FBS AD. His reply was good luck getting a decent coach. My reply was the ones who won't take the deal are self-selecting as losers who have no confidence in their ability to coach and thus you'd be weeding out the "retire on the job" types. Any competitive HC who believes they can win will take that deal every day knowing they can make great money when they are successful. Incentives matter. |
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Post by LostAztec on Nov 14, 2024 6:55:15 GMT -8
Thats one of the main reasons i refuse to donate anymore. This buyout crap is just plain nonsense. Not to mention these guys are WAY overpaid in the first place. My thoughts as well and why I have advocated for a hedge fund-type of contract for college football HC's. You get a "small" guaranteed salary of say $300k-400k then you get say $250k per win, maybe $400k for a P4 win. Another $250k for appearing in the conference title game and $500k for winning the conference title game. $300k for a bowl win. $2 million for appearing in the cfb playoffs, $3mm for each cfb playoff win, and $10mm for a national title. That's a $25 million annual carrot available IF the coach performs. The base salary is guaranteed over the term of the contract - say 4-5 years. The comp is variable with our success and associated revenue so it won't put us in the poor house if the HC doesn't succeed and we have to fire him. Also, it certainly doesn't put the HC in the poor house if he doesn't succeed as he walks with >$2mm should he never win a single game. I've floated this to a relative of mine who is a FBS AD. His reply was good luck getting a decent coach. My reply was the ones who won't take the deal are self-selecting as losers who have no confidence in their ability to coach and thus you'd be weeding out the "retire on the job" types. Any competitive HC who believes they can win will take that deal every day knowing they can make great money when they are successful. Incentives matter. I've thought this myself. Incentives are just that. Buyouts are pathways to mediocrity and Schools being stuck with a bad hire If you're a Coach, what greater incentive is there to win than $$$ per win ? To prevent cheating to get those wins there must be penalties as well for low GPA amongst your squad. Kids running afoul of the Law should also carry financial penalties. |
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