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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 8, 2024 23:30:32 GMT -8
OK, we've hashed out the election for months, and now it's on to the transition and four more years (assuming he doesn't die) of President Trump.
As I said in closing the election thread - Sequels often suck. The Last Jedi. The Rise Of Skywalker. Jaws The Revenge. (Man, that one is BAD.) Will this be like that? Or will Trump shock the world and do a good job, making it more Empire/Khan than the crappy sequels?
I know how I'd bet on it.
So, next up - The Transition.
(And let's try to be a little nicer. Keep the personal stuff out of it. Attack the comments, not the person making the comment. A reminder from your friendly neighborhood moderator.)
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 23:31:56 GMT -8
There was no reason to lock the other thread, I can handle whatever crap gets slung at me, especially from the OP. You're just asking for more insidious behavior with threads like this. You know what the response is going to be.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 8, 2024 23:35:26 GMT -8
There was no reason to lock the other thread, I can handle whatever crap gets slung at me, especially from the OP. You're just asking for more insidious behavior with threads like this. You know what the response is going to be. The topic was outdated. The election is over. We know who won. We're on to new topics. And we can be more civil. If I need to delete posts I will. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 23:46:29 GMT -8
There was no reason to lock the other thread, I can handle whatever crap gets slung at me, especially from the OP. You're just asking for more insidious behavior with threads like this. You know what the response is going to be. The topic was outdated. The election is over. We know who won. We're on to new topics. And we can be more civil. If I need to delete posts I will. This isn't that serious. If we are to close the divide, we have to be willing participants here, right or wrong. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 8, 2024 23:58:22 GMT -8
I think most of us can handle the mud slinging from the usual suspect(s). I do understand you wanting to close a chapter and I'm ok with that, as well.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 9, 2024 0:20:14 GMT -8
I think most of us can handle the mud slinging from the usual suspect(s). I do understand you wanting to close a chapter and I'm ok with that, as well. Just to clarify, all I was doing is trying to elaborate on the idea that Harris lost because she didn't have a "plan" or harped on abortion. The data says the opposite, that's all. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 9, 2024 0:32:57 GMT -8
I think most of us can handle the mud slinging from the usual suspect(s). I do understand you wanting to close a chapter and I'm ok with that, as well. Just to clarify, all I was doing is trying to elaborate on the idea that Harris lost because she didn't have a "plan" or harped on abortion. The data says the opposite, that's all. The reasons for Harris' loss are many. It wasn't just one or two things. But that's over and done. The Democrats have a lot of soul searching and thinking to do. But that's a topic for another thread. This one's about Donald J. Trump, and his second term as President. Will it be successful? Will it be a disaster? Will he abuse power? Actually, I think he may be successful here and there, but I think there will be a number of disastrous actions and outcomes, and I do think he'll also abuse his power (and get away with it). |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 9, 2024 14:10:35 GMT -8
I think most of us can handle the mud slinging from the usual suspect(s). I do understand you wanting to close a chapter and I'm ok with that, as well. Just to clarify, all I was doing is trying to elaborate on the idea that Harris lost because she didn't have a "plan" or harped on abortion. The data says the opposite, that's all. "While Trump didn’t win a majority of Black voters or Latinos, he did make inroads. He won support from about 13% of Black voters nationally and 45% of Latino voters, according to CNN exit polls. In the 2020 election, Trump won just 8% of Black voters and 32% of Latinos." Many of these minority voters were concerned about inflation, as well as illegal immigration."53% of Muslim Americans voted for Jill Stein (in Michigan). The same poll showed 21% of Muslims cast a ballot for Trump and 20.3% for Harris." While the Israel issue was a very low priority for most voters, 2.1% of Michigan voters are Arab American. Gaza (quite clearly) lost her Michigan.Trump made inroads with young voters:"Young voters favored Kamala Harris over Donald Trump in the 2024 election by 6 points: 52% to 46%. That was a much smaller margin than young voters gave President Biden over Trump in 2020 (+25), but still by far the strongest support for Harris of any age group in this election. Five percent of young voters backed a third-party or independent candidate, slightly higher than the 3% who did so in 2020." "Young men preferred Trump by an 14-point margin: 42% to 56%." Young men felt like Harris didn't campaign for their vote, whereas Trump went on podcasts like Joe Rogan, and Trump campaigned for their votes. Harris (assumed) young men would vote for her by campaigning for abortion, women's right and trans rights. "What’s notable about gen Z, however, is that unlike perhaps the last several election cycles – where you had a majority of young men voting for Democrats, either for Congress or for Biden in 2020 – we saw a more rightward turn in voting behavior among young men, and that’s probably driven by two things. One: the Democratic party didn’t have a convincing message for a lot of young men, especially on the economy. Secondly: Donald Trump’s decision to meet young men where they are – going on Joe Rogan – it sent the message that he cared about their votes. When you don’t have someone willing to fight for your votes and talk about your interests, you’re less interested in voting for that party." "On November 7, 2023, March for Our Lives, Sunrise Movement, United We Dream, and Gen Z for Change issued a letter to the Biden administration warning, “The position of your administration is badly out of step with young people and the positions of Democratic voters... This is already becoming an issue we are hearing about from thousands of young people across the country. We cannot explain your position to the people of our generation.”" "The Democrats declined to make aggressive commitments on climate change as the planet burns, focused instead on a mythical centrist voter who doesn’t seem to exist." - The Democratic platform presented nothing to young voters other then 'if Trump gets elected, bad things will happen'. There was nothing to get excited about, nothing to galvanize a youth movement. And any youth movement (Gaza) was extinguished by the Biden/Harris administration, protestors got arrested. Gaza was not on the ballot as an issue because both candidates stood with Israel. Meanwhile, Harris didn't use the hurricanes and various natural disasters in the months leading up to the election to talk about climate change. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 9, 2024 14:34:00 GMT -8
Young people are very divided along gender lines:
"Close to half of the respondents said that they thought that it was harder to be a woman than a man today, while only 14% said the reverse. But the distribution of answers differed dramatically by gender, especially for those aged between 16 and 29. In that age group, some 68% of women said that it was harder to be a woman, while only 35% of men agreed with that statement.
30% of men ages 16 to 29 believed that in twenty years it will be harder to be a man than a woman, and almost a fifth of men in that age group—19%—said that they anticipated it to be “much harder” to be a man than a woman in two decades’ time.
I think what we are seeing is that there are men who are frustrated with how difficult it is to get a good job in order to buy a house and raise a family, who are voting conservative. These men mostly don't have college degrees.
Men still have societal expectations placed on them to earn a lot of money, yet that's very hard to do in a world where (for young people) women are more educated then men, so how are men going to convince a woman to be with them to raise a family when she makes more money then they do? A lot of women in Gen Z are choosing to be single and maybe occasionally casually date instead of settle down, a lot less young men are having sex then in previous generations, and there are a lot of dissatisfied young men who do not care about women's rights as their number one issue because they are so dissatisfied with unfair societal expectations around income.
Harris assumed that young voters would vote like her generation, where social issues are at the forefront.
But it seems that economic earning potential is a huge social issue for young men that has been ignored by the Democratic party.
Rising costs from inflation just make it more prominent to these young men.
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 9, 2024 14:57:58 GMT -8
Young people are very divided along gender lines: "Close to half of the respondents said that they thought that it was harder to be a woman than a man today, while only 14% said the reverse. But the distribution of answers differed dramatically by gender, especially for those aged between 16 and 29. In that age group, some 68% of women said that it was harder to be a woman, while only 35% of men agreed with that statement. 30% of men ages 16 to 29 believed that in twenty years it will be harder to be a man than a woman, and almost a fifth of men in that age group—19%—said that they anticipated it to be “much harder” to be a man than a woman in two decades’ time. I think what we are seeing is that there are men who are frustrated with how difficult it is to get a good job in order to buy a house and raise a family, who are voting conservative. These men mostly don't have college degrees. Men still have societal expectations placed on them to earn a lot of money, yet that's very hard to do in a world where (for young people) women are more educated then men, so how are men going to convince a woman to be with them to raise a family when she makes more money then they do? A lot of women in Gen Z are choosing to be single and maybe occasionally casually date instead of settle down, a lot less young men are having sex then in previous generations, and there are a lot of dissatisfied young men who do not care about women's rights as their number one issue because they are so dissatisfied with unfair societal expectations around income. Harris assumed that young voters would vote like her generation, where social issues are at the forefront. But it seems that economic earning potential is a huge social issue for young men that has been ignored by the Democratic party. Rising costs from inflation just make it more prominent to these young men. Yep, out of control house prices and the rise in cost of goods became a crucial topic to young voters. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 9, 2024 23:51:21 GMT -8
Just to clarify, all I was doing is trying to elaborate on the idea that Harris lost because she didn't have a "plan" or harped on abortion. The data says the opposite, that's all. The reasons for Harris' loss are many. It wasn't just one or two things. But that's over and done. The Democrats have a lot of soul searching and thinking to do. But that's a topic for another thread. This one's about Donald J. Trump, and his second term as President. Will it be successful? Will it be a disaster? Will he abuse power? Actually, I think he may be successful here and there, but I think there will be a number of disastrous actions and outcomes, and I do think he'll also abuse his power (and get away with it). We won't know anything until we have some kind of idea what he puts together for a cabinet. That said, now that the president is immunized....you're going to see a ridiculous amount of corruption. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 10, 2024 10:44:26 GMT -8
The reasons for Harris' loss are many. It wasn't just one or two things. But that's over and done. The Democrats have a lot of soul searching and thinking to do. But that's a topic for another thread. This one's about Donald J. Trump, and his second term as President. Will it be successful? Will it be a disaster? Will he abuse power? Actually, I think he may be successful here and there, but I think there will be a number of disastrous actions and outcomes, and I do think he'll also abuse his power (and get away with it). We won't know anything until we have some kind of idea what he puts together for a cabinet. That said, now that the president is immunized....you're going to see a ridiculous amount of corruption. I sincerely hope RFK is part of his cabinet, and RFK is given the freedom to regulate food additives, pesticides, and increase independent research on the important issues of our time. If he can stop revolving door politics in our federal agencies by writing up executive orders that limit such behavior, all the better. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 10, 2024 12:30:03 GMT -8
We won't know anything until we have some kind of idea what he puts together for a cabinet. That said, now that the president is immunized....you're going to see a ridiculous amount of corruption. I sincerely hope RFK is part of his cabinet, and RFK is given the freedom to regulate food additives, pesticides, and increase independent research on the important issues of our time. If he can stop revolving door politics in our federal agencies by writing up executive orders that limit such behavior, all the better. I hope RFK is far away from any government role. That said, on the list of things that matter, it's not at the top. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 10, 2024 16:20:30 GMT -8
Trumpolini part douche!
Actually, mostly Douche!
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 17, 2024 18:12:12 GMT -8
Trump's win is the third smallest since 1880.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 17, 2024 18:52:35 GMT -8
Trump's win is the third smallest since 1880. Some mandate! |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Nov 18, 2024 8:58:13 GMT -8
Trump's win is the third smallest since 1880. There is no point in running up the score....LOL It was a clean sweep and too big to rig. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 18, 2024 9:12:13 GMT -8
Trump's win is the third smallest since 1880. There is no point in running up the score....LOL It was a clean sweep and too big to rig. Running awfully close to trolling there. Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Seriously, can't you just admit that he barely won and doesn't really have a mandate? Is it really that hard for you to be real? Or are you so Trump brainwashed that you have to post like him, too? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 18, 2024 9:20:23 GMT -8
Trump's win is the third smallest since 1880. There is no point in running up the score....LOL It was a clean sweep and too big to rig. 238,000 votes total in the Blue Wall and Harris wins. Pretty stupid comment. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Nov 18, 2024 10:44:18 GMT -8
There is no point in running up the score....LOL It was a clean sweep and too big to rig. 238,000 votes total in the Blue Wall and Harris wins. Pretty stupid comment. I thought you were talking about the Popular Vote. You weren't clear. |
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