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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 13, 2024 14:33:44 GMT -8
Okay, that's not a problem. But the issues brought up in their platform are of interest to all Americans.
AzWm But William, the Libertarian goals you listed are so darn vague. There's no detail. Can you pick one heading and go into detail a bit?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 13, 2024 14:36:40 GMT -8
Okay, that's not a problem. But the issues brought up in their platform are of interest to all Americans.
AzWm They are irrelevant poliitically.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 13, 2024 14:49:08 GMT -8
They are irrelevant poliitically.
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Great, but very few people care. |
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Post by azson on Aug 13, 2024 14:54:34 GMT -8
Libertarianism offers a peculiar vision of the heroic solitary individual who sustains himself without any external support. It says, “I don’t depend on anybody. I can take care of myself.” This fantasy of autarky can also involve the capacity to separate from people one doesn’t like. It denies any obligation to them that might be based either on shared membership in a community or on a history of wrongs that one has involuntarily benefited from. The fantasy is easy to swallow if it means that one gets to keep more of what one has. Here as elsewhere in libertarian thought, there is an active partnership between delusion and greed.thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3680007-the-libertarian-party-is-collapsing-heres-why/
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 14, 2024 12:06:10 GMT -8
Libertarianism offers a peculiar vision of the heroic solitary individual who sustains himself without any external support. It says, “I don’t depend on anybody. I can take care of myself.” This fantasy of autarky can also involve the capacity to separate from people one doesn’t like. It denies any obligation to them that might be based either on shared membership in a community or on a history of wrongs that one has involuntarily benefited from. The fantasy is easy to swallow if it means that one gets to keep more of what one has. Here as elsewhere in libertarian thought, there is an active partnership between delusion and greed.thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3680007-the-libertarian-party-is-collapsing-heres-why/[/Koppelman's view of libertarianism is exactly what I would expect from someone on the Left. In other words, not worth much. It is also what I would expect from a collectivist.
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Post by azson on Aug 14, 2024 12:33:01 GMT -8
Libertarianism offers a peculiar vision of the heroic solitary individual who sustains himself without any external support. It says, “I don’t depend on anybody. I can take care of myself.” This fantasy of autarky can also involve the capacity to separate from people one doesn’t like. It denies any obligation to them that might be based either on shared membership in a community or on a history of wrongs that one has involuntarily benefited from. The fantasy is easy to swallow if it means that one gets to keep more of what one has. Here as elsewhere in libertarian thought, there is an active partnership between delusion and greed.thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3680007-the-libertarian-party-is-collapsing-heres-why/[/Koppelman's view of libertarianism is exactly what I would expect from someone on the Left. In other words, not worth much. It is also what I would expect from a collectivist.
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Ad hominem fallacy response, what a surprise. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 14, 2024 12:54:35 GMT -8
Ad hominem fallacy response, what a surprise.
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Post by azson on Aug 14, 2024 13:20:32 GMT -8
Okay, how about this? Exactly what I would expect from someone who believes in the corporate style of government. You really think that someone who would write this piece values individual liberty over subordination to the group? What Koppelman writes is almost verbatim out of one of Ayn Rand's descriptions of a collectivist.
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You mean the Ayn Rand who gladly and hypocritically collected social security? That Ayn Rand? (And safe to assume you do too?) |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 14, 2024 14:34:31 GMT -8
You mean the Ayn Rand who gladly and hypocritically collected social security? That Ayn Rand? (And safe to assume you do too?)
Let me comment on Social Security. Yes, for a really, really hardcore libertarian, social security, as it was conceived, was a bad idea. A form of SS more in keeping with libertarianism could have been possible. But it would have been voluntary. Individual accounts could have been set up. The money put into those accounts could not have been taken to pay for current government expenses.
But back to your original point. The government takes money from you for SS. You don't have a choice. Benefits, at least a portion of them, were put into SS by you. So, to forgo SS benefits, you are letting what was yours remain in the government's cashbox.
Yes, I get SS, but very, very little, since I only worked the minimum quarters required.
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Post by aztecbrothers on Sept 19, 2024 16:30:17 GMT -8
And why not? It is, I guess, in the best interests of the two major parties to pretend that there are no alternatives. It is, in my opinion, unfortunate that our democracy has only two parties. I believe that I am correct in saying that just about all the multi-party democracies in the world have more than just two viable parties.
Once again, I am brave enough to start a thread without permission from other AztecMesa members. I guess I will never learn. 
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William, Never in my wildest dreams that spending a week on the Aztec Mesa political forum would lead me to thinking it would be a journey to hell, and a snapshot of the current core of the Democratic Party. My journey has felt al most like Dante's 9 Circles of Hell: First Circle of Hell: Limbo. ... Second Circle of Hell: Lust. ... Third Circle of Hell: Gluttony. Fifth Circle of Hell: Anger. ... Sixth Circle of Hell: Heresy. ... Seventh Circle of Hell: Violence. ... Eighth Circle of Hell: Fraud. ... Ninth Circle of Hell: Treachery. More power to personal responsibility and freedom of choice! Benjamin Franklin said it best "Mind your Business" |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 19, 2024 16:35:18 GMT -8
And why not? It is, I guess, in the best interests of the two major parties to pretend that there are no alternatives. It is, in my opinion, unfortunate that our democracy has only two parties. I believe that I am correct in saying that just about all the multi-party democracies in the world have more than just two viable parties.
Once again, I am brave enough to start a thread without permission from other AztecMesa members. I guess I will never learn.
AzWm
William, Never in my wildest dreams that spending a week on the Aztec Mesa political forum would lead me to thinking it would be a journey to hell, and a snapshot of the current core of the Democratic Party. My journey has felt al most like Dante's 9 Circles of Hell: First Circle of Hell: Limbo. ... Second Circle of Hell: Lust. ... Third Circle of Hell: Gluttony. Fifth Circle of Hell: Anger. ... Sixth Circle of Hell: Heresy. ... Seventh Circle of Hell: Violence. ... Eighth Circle of Hell: Fraud. ... Ninth Circle of Hell: Treachery. More power to personal responsibility and freedom of choice! Benjamin Franklin said it best "Mind your Business" Or you could just have been upfront about your affiliation from the get go, instead of pretending to be someone you aren't....but I get that it's difficult to maintain the victimhood after that. That Eighth Circle...pesky. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Sept 19, 2024 16:49:48 GMT -8
William, Never in my wildest dreams that spending a week on the Aztec Mesa political forum would lead me to thinking it would be a journey to hell, and a snapshot of the current core of the Democratic Party. My journey has felt al most like Dante's 9 Circles of Hell: First Circle of Hell: Limbo. ... Second Circle of Hell: Lust. ... Third Circle of Hell: Gluttony. Fifth Circle of Hell: Anger. ... Sixth Circle of Hell: Heresy. ... Seventh Circle of Hell: Violence. ... Eighth Circle of Hell: Fraud. ... Ninth Circle of Hell: Treachery. More power to personal responsibility and freedom of choice! Benjamin Franklin said it best "Mind your Business" Or you could just have been upfront about your affiliation from the get go, instead of pretending to be someone you aren't....but I get that it's difficult to maintain the victimhood after that. That Eighth Circle...pesky. Very strange comments that don't make any sense. What affiliations are you talking about? |
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Post by aardvark on Sept 19, 2024 16:54:20 GMT -8
The Libertarian Party will again be just as relevant as the day it was founded.
The relevancy level should again match the grade point average achieved by John Blutarsky in the movie "Animal House".
Zero. Point. Zero.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 19, 2024 16:54:40 GMT -8
Or you could just have been upfront about your affiliation from the get go, instead of pretending to be someone you aren't....but I get that it's difficult to maintain the victimhood after that. That Eighth Circle...pesky. Very strange comments that don't make any sense. What affiliations are you talking about? The one where you claimed to be an Independent. Pretty obvious. Indies reject both party influences, not just one. Just FYI. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Sept 19, 2024 17:08:42 GMT -8
Very strange comments that don't make any sense. What affiliations are you talking about? The one where you claimed to be an Independent. Pretty obvious. Indies reject both party influences, not just one. Just FYI. That is a false statement. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Sept 19, 2024 17:11:01 GMT -8
What is funny is that your whining and complaining has earned me an Orange Bar...lol
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 19, 2024 17:12:58 GMT -8
The one where you claimed to be an Independent. Pretty obvious. Indies reject both party influences, not just one. Just FYI. That is a false statement. No, claiming a false affiliation is, though. You are a textbook example of Trumpism. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 19, 2024 17:13:49 GMT -8
What is funny is that your whining and complaining has earned me an Orange Bar...lol Pretty sure your open trolling after you were warned did that, not me. Whining? Complaining? Nah. Just think it's sad you have to pretend to be someone else. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Sept 19, 2024 17:25:05 GMT -8
That is a false statement. No, claiming a false affiliation is, though. You are a textbook example of Trumpism. You are wrong again. |
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Post by aztecbrothers on Sept 19, 2024 17:28:14 GMT -8
I see how important it is for you in so many threads to compartmentalize people. I'm not sure if it your lack of objectivity or just that anyone you disagree with is just wrong.
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