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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 11, 2024 11:25:40 GMT -8
I have stated several times that I will vote again for the Libertarian Party in 2024. Here is the libertarian ticket for POTUS and VP, plus the party's platform. (If you go to the official website, you will be able to examine each issue in greater detail.)
Chase Oliver has officially been selected as the Libertarian Party’s candidate for President of the United States, with Mike ter Maat as his running mate for Vice President.
The Economy
Libertarians believe that all people have the right to freely offer goods and services on the market and that free-market approaches are the most effective at improving people’s lives.
Civil Liberties
Libertarians believe that the equal rights of all people matter all the time. No exceptions.
Crime and Justice
Libertarians believe that the existing justice system is seriously flawed.
Education
Libertarians advocate for a free market in education in which parents, teachers, and students, not the government, would make their own choices.
Foreign Policy
Libertarians seek a United States at peace with the world.
Healthcare
Libertarians believe that healthcare prices would decrease and quality and availability would increase if healthcare was freed from government meddling and control.
Gun Ownership
Libertarians believe that every person has the right to arm themselves in self-defense.
War on Drugs
Libertarians believe that the War on Drugs is ineffective, unfair, and immoral. We advocate ending it.
Immigration
Libertarians believe that if someone is peaceful, they should be welcome to immigrate to the United States.
www.lp.org/
AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 11, 2024 11:53:41 GMT -8
Another new thread!
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 11, 2024 12:26:42 GMT -8
And why not? It is, I guess, in the best interests of the two major parties to pretend that there are no alternatives. It is, in my opinion, unfortunate that our democracy has only two parties. I believe that I am correct in saying that just about all the multi-party democracies in the world have more than just two viable parties.
Once again, I am brave enough to start a thread without permission from other AztecMesa members. I guess I will never learn. 
AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 11, 2024 12:28:41 GMT -8
And why not? It is, I guess, in the best interests of the two major parties to pretend that there are no alternatives. It is, in my opinion, unfortunate that our democracy has only two parties. I believe that I am correct in saying that just about all the multi-party democracies in the world have more than just two viable parties.
Once again, I am brave enough to start a thread without permission from other AztecMesa members. I guess I will never learn.
AzWm
If you think you're correct, you're usually not. Can you answer the question from two plus days ago now in the other thread? |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 11, 2024 13:25:41 GMT -8
And why not? It is, I guess, in the best interests of the two major parties to pretend that there are no alternatives. It is, in my opinion, unfortunate that our democracy has only two parties. I believe that I am correct in saying that just about all the multi-party democracies in the world have more than just two viable parties.
Once again, I am brave enough to start a thread without permission from other AztecMesa members. I guess I will never learn.
AzWm
If you think you're correct, you're usually not. Can you answer the question from two plus days ago now in the other thread?
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 11, 2024 13:27:10 GMT -8
And why not? It is, I guess, in the best interests of the two major parties to pretend that there are no alternatives. It is, in my opinion, unfortunate that our democracy has only two parties. I believe that I am correct in saying that just about all the multi-party democracies in the world have more than just two viable parties.
Once again, I am brave enough to start a thread without permission from other AztecMesa members. I guess I will never learn.
AzWm
If you think you're correct, you're usually not. Can you answer the question from two plus days ago now in the other thread? Ryan, William is from a different generation than you...and he has a life experience that is different than yours. I don't remember times when he has been disrespectful. I don't agree with William on some issues..but, in my opinion..you are being disrespectful here. I am acknowledging that I can be a dick on here sometimes...and I know dick behavior when read it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 11, 2024 14:01:20 GMT -8
If you think you're correct, you're usually not. Can you answer the question from two plus days ago now in the other thread? Ryan, William is from a different generation than you...and he has a life experience that is different than yours. I don't remember times when he has been disrespectful. I don't agree with William on some issues..but, in my opinion..you are being disrespectful here. I am acknowledging that I can be a dick on here sometimes...and I know dick behavior when read it. It's not my fault William can't own up to his lack of accountability. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 11, 2024 14:32:31 GMT -8
If you think you're correct, you're usually not. Can you answer the question from two plus days ago now in the other thread? Ryan, William is from a different generation than you...and he has a life experience that is different than yours. I don't remember times when he has been disrespectful. I don't agree with William on some issues..but, in my opinion..you are being disrespectful here. I am acknowledging that I can be a dick on here sometimes...and I know dick behavior when read it. You just absolutely nailed it with this post. Couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo. "Aztecnails" is another person who has not been disrespectful, yet gets the dick response from Ryan, every time. It must make him feel better. Projection much? I can be a dick, as well, but it only seems to be aimed at Ryan for obvious reasons, and I really don't like myself afterwards, and I'll reprimand myself for it. It's mainly out of retaliation though, but I do get caught up in it, unfortunately. Ryan won't give a hoot about anything I've said, or what William, or Aztecnails have said, or will say, but being known as a disrespectful, dickish person, is probably the lowest form, since there's so much to it. A person can disagree without being a dick, as difficult as it is sometimes, but in actuality, some just never will. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 11, 2024 14:39:07 GMT -8
Ryan, William is from a different generation than you...and he has a life experience that is different than yours. I don't remember times when he has been disrespectful. I don't agree with William on some issues..but, in my opinion..you are being disrespectful here. I am acknowledging that I can be a dick on here sometimes...and I know dick behavior when read it. You just absolutely nailed it with this post. Couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo. "Aztecnails" is another person who has not been disrespectful, yet gets the dick response from Ryan, every time. It must make him feel better. Projection much? I can be a dick, as well, but it only seems to be aimed at Ryan for obvious reasons, and I really don't like myself afterwards, and I'll reprimand myself for it. It's mainly out of retaliation though, but I do get caught up in it, unfortunately. Ryan won't give a hoot about anything I've said, or what William, or Aztecnails have said, or will say, but being known as a disrespectful, dickish person, is probably the lowest form, since there's so much to it. A person can disagree without being a dick, as difficult as it is sometimes, but in actuality, some just never will. Just like you interjecting for no reason to tag team in on something just to be wrong. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 11, 2024 14:40:58 GMT -8
You just absolutely nailed it with this post. Couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo. "Aztecnails" is another person who has not been disrespectful, yet gets the dick response from Ryan, every time. It must make him feel better. Projection much? I can be a dick, as well, but it only seems to be aimed at Ryan for obvious reasons, and I really don't like myself afterwards, and I'll reprimand myself for it. It's mainly out of retaliation though, but I do get caught up in it, unfortunately. Ryan won't give a hoot about anything I've said, or what William, or Aztecnails have said, or will say, but being known as a disrespectful, dickish person, is probably the lowest form, since there's so much to it. A person can disagree without being a dick, as difficult as it is sometimes, but in actuality, some just never will. Just like you interjecting for no reason to tag team in on something. In which you do A LOT yourself. Nope, not wrong says multiple people. You won't look in the mirror, though, unfortunately. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 11, 2024 14:58:07 GMT -8
Just like you interjecting for no reason to tag team in on something. In which you do A LOT yourself. Nope, not wrong says multiple people. You won't look in the mirror, though, unfortunately. Nowhere near as much as you, but okay. What's being argued here? That my responses are "dickish?" Okay. Well, what's also "dickish" is not having the decency to respond to a question when someone is accused of "lying." Or arguing in bad faith over and over and over and over and over again. Sorry, not sorry. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 11, 2024 14:59:04 GMT -8
Ryan, it might be more useful for you to comment on the Libertarian Party platform rather than taking another shot at me. Oh, well, perhaps I am wrong. 
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 11, 2024 15:00:27 GMT -8
In which you do A LOT yourself. Nope, not wrong says multiple people. You won't look in the mirror, though, unfortunately. Nowhere near as much as you, but okay. What's being argued here? That my responses are "dickish?" Okay. Well, what's also "dickish" is not having the decency to respond to a question when someone is accused of "lying." Or arguing in bad faith over and over and over and over and over again. Sorry, not sorry.
AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 11, 2024 16:09:02 GMT -8
Nowhere near as much as you, but okay. What's being argued here? That my responses are "dickish?" Okay. Well, what's also "dickish" is not having the decency to respond to a question when someone is accused of "lying." Or arguing in bad faith over and over and over and over and over again. Sorry, not sorry.
AzWm
You accused another poster of lying and asked for evidence to back up their statements. Someone else posted a lengthy, sourced rebuttal filled with evidence. You literally said "I don't have the time to look at all that" and then cherry-picked some "unfriendly" sources to try and discount them. I then sourced one of the arguments with an AP article and another source and you didn't even acknowledge it. Then you proceeded to go into a straw man/red herring routine. I asked if you could answer my question that was sourced in my post...and it's still unanswered, surprisingly enough. Hope that helps. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 11, 2024 16:09:44 GMT -8
Ryan, it might be more useful for you to comment on the Libertarian Party platform rather than taking another shot at me. Oh, well, perhaps I am wrong.
AzWm I don't care about the Libertarian Party. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 12, 2024 17:51:03 GMT -8
Accused of lying? Ryan, who ever accused you of lying. Certainly not me.
AzWm
You accused another poster of lying and asked for evidence to back up their statements. Someone else posted a lengthy, sourced rebuttal filled with evidence. You literally said "I don't have the time to look at all that" and then cherry-picked some "unfriendly" sources to try and discount them. I then sourced one of the arguments with an AP article and another source and you didn't even acknowledge it. Then you proceeded to go into a straw man/red herring routine. I asked if you could answer my question that was sourced in my post...and it's still unanswered, surprisingly enough. Hope that helps.
Most of those charges are complete lies.
Notice that I did NOT say "You are a liar." I wrote that the charges were lies, not the poster.
I still think that they are mostly lies. However, that is not the issue here. sdsuball could have posted any number of obviously false accusations and I would similarly NOT have accused him of lying. If he had done that, I might have accused him of irresponsibly spreading false stories. That is not a good thing, but that is not the same thing as accusing someone of lying.
I further posted the following.
Just what sources do you offer to substantiate those charges?
He did so, and I responded that I did not trust those sources. Again, that does not equate to my calling him a liar. (Let me add that I never for a moment thought that sdsuball was himself accusing Israel of committing war crimes; I instinctively gave him the benefit of the doubt. I assumed those charges that had been made by others.)
As far as not answering your challenges, Ryan, try rereading my posts in the thread you reference and see with what you can do with some of those that I asked you to discuss. I'll just remind you of two.
* The dilemma in the Levant could be solved were the Palestinians to proclaim Israel's right to exist as an independent state.
* What should Israel have done following the October 7th terrorist attack?
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 12, 2024 17:52:20 GMT -8
Ryan, it might be more useful for you to comment on the Libertarian Party platform rather than taking another shot at me. Oh, well, perhaps I am wrong.
AzWm I don't care about the Libertarian Party.
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 12, 2024 17:57:24 GMT -8
I don't care about the Libertarian Party.
AzWmBut William, the Libertarian goals you listed are so darn vague. There's no detail. Can you pick one heading and go into detail a bit? |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 12, 2024 17:58:17 GMT -8
I don't care about the Libertarian Party.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 12, 2024 18:07:44 GMT -8
You accused another poster of lying and asked for evidence to back up their statements. Someone else posted a lengthy, sourced rebuttal filled with evidence. You literally said "I don't have the time to look at all that" and then cherry-picked some "unfriendly" sources to try and discount them. I then sourced one of the arguments with an AP article and another source and you didn't even acknowledge it. Then you proceeded to go into a straw man/red herring routine. I asked if you could answer my question that was sourced in my post...and it's still unanswered, surprisingly enough. Hope that helps.
Most of those charges are complete lies.
Notice that I did NOT say "You are a liar." I wrote that the charges were lies, not the poster.
I still think that they are mostly lies. However, that is not the issue here. sdsuball could have posted any number of obviously false accusations and I would similarly NOT have accused him of lying. If he had done that, I might have accused him of irresponsibly spreading false stories. That is not a good thing, but that is not the same thing as accusing someone of lying.
I further posted the following.
Just what sources do you offer to substantiate those charges?
He did so, and I responded that I did not trust those sources. Again, that does not equate to my calling him a liar. (Let me add that I never for a moment thought that sdsuball was himself accusing Israel of committing war crimes; I instinctively gave him the benefit of the doubt. I assumed those charges that had been made by others.)
As far as not answering your challenges, Ryan, try rereading my posts in the thread you reference and see with what you can do with some of those that I asked you to discuss. I'll just remind you of two.
* The dilemma in the Levant could be solved were the Palestinians to proclaim Israel's right to exist as an independent state.
* What should Israel have done following the October 7th terrorist attack?
AzWm
Really? You are drawing a line between "those posted statements are lies" and "I'm not accusing the poster of lying?" Wow. Quite the divide you're waging there. It's really the same thing, just less direct. It wasn't even the OP who responded to you in that thread, it was another poster. And you said "I don't have time to look into all of that." You can't ask for evidence and then claim you don't have the time. That's hollow and it's weak. I'm not answering anything until you commit to the truth and good faith arguments. You can start with the same question I asked three days ago you still haven't acknowledged. |
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