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Post by johneaztec on Jul 22, 2024 7:26:52 GMT -8
I think the Dem party gets fully behind her, and the media follows. The media needs to get on it quick to turn the election around. Don't let her say too much (like Biden) and run constant negative info on Trump and positive info on Harris. The debate will be important.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 7:27:08 GMT -8
I think the Dem party gets fully behind her, and the media follows. The media needs to get on it quick to turn the election around. Don't let her say too much (like Biden) and run constant negative info on Trump and positive info on Harris. That doesn't equal ratings.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 7:34:21 GMT -8
I think the Dem party gets fully behind her, and the media follows. The media needs to get on it quick to turn the election around. Don't let her say too much (like Biden) and run constant negative info on Trump and positive info on Harris. The debate will be important. Doubtful.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 22, 2024 7:44:28 GMT -8
I think the Dem party gets fully behind her, and the media follows. The media needs to get on it quick to turn the election around. Don't let her say too much (like Biden) and run constant negative info on Trump and positive info on Harris. That doesn't equal ratings. I agree that there is a big rating aspect that drives news, but unless something has changed from 2020, I see a big Harris push incoming, not just from the news, but search engines and the like...
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 7:46:54 GMT -8
That doesn't equal ratings. I agree that there is a big rating aspect that drives news, but unless something has changed from 2020, I see a big Harris push incoming, not just from the news, but search engines and the like... 2020 was completely different, though. The media turned on Biden at the drop of a hat post-debate. I don't think you see much different unless the masters change their mind. The Times immediately ran a negative article on Harris as soon as she was endorsed.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 22, 2024 7:49:04 GMT -8
I think the Dem party gets fully behind her, and the media follows. The media needs to get on it quick to turn the election around. Don't let her say too much (like Biden) and run constant negative info on Trump and positive info on Harris. The debate will be important. You would think it would, all Harris has to do is hold her own and not look ridiculous and she should gets some votes back.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 22, 2024 7:53:24 GMT -8
I agree that there is a big rating aspect that drives news, but unless something has changed from 2020, I see a big Harris push incoming, not just from the news, but search engines and the like... 2020 was completely different, though. The media turned on Biden at the drop of a hat post-debate. I don't think you see much different unless the masters change their mind. The Times immediately ran a negative article on Harris as soon as she was endorsed. I would be completely shocked if the media doesn't get strongly behind Harris. But we will see. I do think you underestimate how badly Biden looked at the debate and the reality that he is getting too biologically old to continue in office. With his poll numbers dropping and his condition being so obvious, I just think the media had no choice but to turn on him.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 8:03:57 GMT -8
2020 was completely different, though. The media turned on Biden at the drop of a hat post-debate. I don't think you see much different unless the masters change their mind. The Times immediately ran a negative article on Harris as soon as she was endorsed. I would be completely shocked if the media doesn't get strongly behind Harris. But we will see. I do think you underestimate how badly Biden looked at the debate and the reality that he is getting too biologically old to continue in office. With his poll numbers dropping and his condition being so obvious, I just think the media had no choice but to turn on him. The debate didn't matter. It just provided a springboard or an excuse for coverage to drastically shift on the airwaves. Even someone with a faint pulse knew Biden was 81 years old, they didn't need sound bytes to tell them that. WaPO, NYT, et al were running "Biden is too old" in August...of 2023. Trump equals ratings, and virtually every legacy media outlet on TV is owned or ran by a Trump donor. Much has changed in the last four years.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 22, 2024 8:18:22 GMT -8
Well, let's just agree that ratings do matter. But I see Trump as the villain and Harris as the savior being the narrative. Harris fluff pieces incoming!!! Completely shocked if I am wrong.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 22, 2024 8:20:39 GMT -8
I agree that there is a big rating aspect that drives news, but unless something has changed from 2020, I see a big Harris push incoming, not just from the news, but search engines and the like... 2020 was completely different, though. The media turned on Biden at the drop of a hat post-debate. I don't think you see much different unless the masters change their mind. The Times immediately ran a negative article on Harris as soon as she was endorsed. Ryan, you underestimate the electorate when you indicate that the media drives how people feel about a candidates viability. Watching the "debate" was like watching the Hindenburg go down.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 22, 2024 8:22:09 GMT -8
The debate will be important. You would think it would, all Harris has to do is hold her own and not look ridiculous and she should gets some votes back. I think, with the right format / moderators....it's trump that would look ridiculous...because he is.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 8:25:54 GMT -8
2020 was completely different, though. The media turned on Biden at the drop of a hat post-debate. I don't think you see much different unless the masters change their mind. The Times immediately ran a negative article on Harris as soon as she was endorsed. Ryan, you underestimate the electorate when you indicate that the media drives how people feel about a candidates viability. Watching the "debate" was like watching the Hindenburg go down. Then why was there absolutely zero effect in the subsequent polls? Biden even *gained* in the polls afterward. The negative media coverage (which started in earnest before the debate) was responsible for much of the sentiment changing towards Biden.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 8:26:24 GMT -8
Well, let's just agree that ratings do matter. But I see Trump as the villain and Harris as the savior being the narrative. Harris fluff pieces incoming!!! Completely shocked if I am wrong. I would expect you to be wrong.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 22, 2024 8:26:54 GMT -8
Ryan, you underestimate the electorate when you indicate that the media drives how people feel about a candidates viability. Watching the "debate" was like watching the Hindenburg go down. Then why was there absolutely zero effect in the subsequent polls? Mainly because people had no where else to go if they are anti trump already.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 8:28:41 GMT -8
Then why was there absolutely zero effect in the subsequent polls? Mainly because people had no where else to go if they are anti trump already. That's lazy. The debate had very little impact. The media coverage, on the other hand, did. The amplification of fake stories, the constant in-fighting reports, etc. Not hard to figure this out.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 22, 2024 8:30:45 GMT -8
Mainly because people had no where else to go if they are anti trump already. That's lazy. The debate had very little impact. The media coverage, on the other hand, did. The amplification of fake stories, the constant in-fighting reports, etc. Not hard to figure this out. "The debate had very little impact" we can disagree here.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 8:33:34 GMT -8
That's lazy. The debate had very little impact. The media coverage, on the other hand, did. The amplification of fake stories, the constant in-fighting reports, etc. Not hard to figure this out. "The debate had very little impact" we can disagree here. Just overly reductive and easy to point to. That's not what happened here.
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Post by North County Aztec on Jul 22, 2024 8:35:30 GMT -8
The deadline to change the candidate has passed in Nevada and Wisconsin. It is illegal to change the candidate after the primary and before the convention just because that candidate might lose in the general election. This is a coup. Until the delegates vote, Democratic Party rules state that there is no official Democratic nominee. There was no one to be ‘replaced’ on the ballot because there is nothing to replace yet.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 8:37:31 GMT -8
The deadline to change the candidate has passed in Nevada and Wisconsin. It is illegal to change the candidate after the primary and before the convention just because that candidate might lose in the general election. This is a coup. Until the delegates vote, Democratic Party rules state that there is no official Democratic nominee. There was no one to be ‘replaced’ on the ballot because there is nothing to replace yet. Correct. There's no nominee at this point. There will still be legal challenges filed, but they won't have any standing.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 22, 2024 8:40:08 GMT -8
Mainly because people had no where else to go if they are anti trump already. That's lazy. The debate had very little impact. The media coverage, on the other hand, did. The amplification of fake stories, the constant in-fighting reports, etc. Not hard to figure this out. So you're saying the Media wants Trump to win? The Media will not get behind Harris?
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