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Post by uwphoto on Jul 21, 2024 18:25:53 GMT -8
If their polling numbers conclude Kamala has no chance of winning, the Democratic Powerbrokers won’t hesitate to kick her to the curb. Remember: The Senate, House, and White House all in Republican hands is a doomsday scenario for the Democrats. Especially now when the GOP seems to have rallied behind Trump. There is nothing off the Dem table right now when it comes to beating Donald Trump. Even JD Vance hates trump, just like everybody else... sorry, my grandkids jumped on me and I hit upload . I meant a lot if his sycophants are there out of fear and a thirst for power..nothing else. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 18:44:51 GMT -8
Even JD Vance hates trump, just like everybody else... sorry, my grandkids jumped on me and I hit upload . I meant a lot if his sycophants are there out of fear and a thirst for power..nothing else. Good times with the grandkids!!! |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 18:48:20 GMT -8
With Harris expected to be formally nominated, I'll be curious to see where odds settle. Trump is currently a -161 favorite, but that will obviously change when the dust settles.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 21, 2024 18:51:54 GMT -8
sorry, my grandkids jumped on me and I hit upload . I meant a lot if his sycophants are there out of fear and a thirst for power..nothing else. Good times with the grandkids!!! ....they were sending me a message! |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 19:15:41 GMT -8
Good times with the grandkids!!! ....they were sending me a message! Ha!!! No doubt. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 21, 2024 20:42:24 GMT -8
There has been a significant group of voters in the middle who didn't want to vote for Trump OR Biden. They wanted another option. Now they'll have it.
Remember, the Republicans make up only about 37% of the voting population. The Democrats are at about 43%. Trump needs more than his base to win. Harris gives voters who thought Biden was too old for the job another option that they can live with.
Trump's in trouble.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 20:56:00 GMT -8
There has been a significant group of voters in the middle who didn't want to vote for Trump OR Biden. They wanted another option. Now they'll have it. Remember, the Republicans make up only about 37% of the voting population. The Democrats are at about 43%. Trump needs more than his base to win. Harris gives voters who thought Biden was too old for the job another option that they can live with. Trump's in trouble. I don't think there's a ton of demographic separation between Biden and Harris among the key bases. Biden won over the independents 52-43 in 2020, Harris probably needs that kind of margin. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 21, 2024 21:00:47 GMT -8
There has been a significant group of voters in the middle who didn't want to vote for Trump OR Biden. They wanted another option. Now they'll have it. Remember, the Republicans make up only about 37% of the voting population. The Democrats are at about 43%. Trump needs more than his base to win. Harris gives voters who thought Biden was too old for the job another option that they can live with. Trump's in trouble. I don't think there's a ton of demographic separation between Biden and Harris among the key bases. Biden won over the independents 52-43 in 2020, Harris probably needs that kind of margin. There have been a lot of people who didn't like either candidate. Trump is a lying, fascist scumbag, and Biden was too old. Now, with a new option, those people can get behind a candidate whereas they couldn't/wouldn't before. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 21:07:23 GMT -8
I don't think there's a ton of demographic separation between Biden and Harris among the key bases. Biden won over the independents 52-43 in 2020, Harris probably needs that kind of margin. There have been a lot of people who didn't like either candidate. Trump is a lying, fascist scumbag, and Biden was too old. Now, with a new option, those people can get behind a candidate whereas they couldn't/wouldn't before. Harris was already on the ticket, though. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 21, 2024 21:14:07 GMT -8
There have been a lot of people who didn't like either candidate. Trump is a lying, fascist scumbag, and Biden was too old. Now, with a new option, those people can get behind a candidate whereas they couldn't/wouldn't before. Harris was already on the ticket, though. No one gives a rat's ass who the VP candidate is unless it's someone unqualified like Sarah Palin. Harris wasn't moving the needle one way or the other as VP. At the top of the ticket she'll be much more appealing to people who didn't want to vote for Biden because of his age. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 21:17:25 GMT -8
Harris was already on the ticket, though. No one gives a rat's ass who the VP candidate is unless it's someone unqualified like Sarah Palin. Harris wasn't moving the needle one way or the other as VP. At the top of the ticket she'll be much more appealing to people who didn't want to vote for Biden because of his age. Makes very little sense when you look at the data and the idea of succession. With wide swaths of people fearful of Biden's age, they weren't voting for the ticket or the administration with Harris as the next-in-line. Harris has to fight her own lack of popularity and the disadvantage of time. Can she? Sure. But I don't think there's a massive swell of people lining up outside of what you'd already expect to immediately vote for her. She needs the indies. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 21:43:12 GMT -8
No one gives a rat's ass who the VP candidate is unless it's someone unqualified like Sarah Palin. Harris wasn't moving the needle one way or the other as VP. At the top of the ticket she'll be much more appealing to people who didn't want to vote for Biden because of his age. Makes very little sense when you look at the data and the idea of succession. With wide swaths of people fearful of Biden's age, they weren't voting for the ticket or the administration with Harris as the next-in-line. Harris has to fight her own lack of popularity and the disadvantage of time. Can she? Sure. But I don't think there's a massive swell of people lining up outside of what you'd already expect to immediately vote for her. She needs the indies. This post is no ringing endorsement for Harris. Do you think she can win? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 21:45:00 GMT -8
Makes very little sense when you look at the data and the idea of succession. With wide swaths of people fearful of Biden's age, they weren't voting for the ticket or the administration with Harris as the next-in-line. Harris has to fight her own lack of popularity and the disadvantage of time. Can she? Sure. But I don't think there's a massive swell of people lining up outside of what you'd already expect to immediately vote for her. She needs the indies. This post is no ringing endorsement for Harris. Do you think she can win? Of course she can win. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 22:00:34 GMT -8
This post is no ringing endorsement for Harris. Do you think she can win? Of course she can win. Do you think she will? Or, what kind of odds do you give her? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 22:03:45 GMT -8
Do you think she will? Or, what kind of odds do you give her? Impossible to say right now. She isn't even formally nominated yet. We have a ton of things to sift through. I think current events have shown us not to really prognosticate too far ahead. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2024 23:03:13 GMT -8
Do you think she will? Or, what kind of odds do you give her? Impossible to say right now. She isn't even formally nominated yet. We have a ton of things to sift through. I think current events have shown us not to really prognosticate too far ahead. Good answer. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2024 23:09:53 GMT -8
Impossible to say right now. She isn't even formally nominated yet. We have a ton of things to sift through. I think current events have shown us not to really prognosticate too far ahead. Good answer. I'm sure it wasn't what you were looking for. I think she can win, she's going against an unpopular two-time loser that appeals to very few people outside of his party and has never captured more than 47% of the vote. A strong, mainstream Republican probably dances into the Oval with ease. But we have such a long way to go, it's meaningless to throw percentages out now. The odds right now though do not reflect the likelihood....that I will say. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Jul 22, 2024 6:23:22 GMT -8
If Harris is going to be the nominee she must have four key endorsements, Obama, Jeffries, Pelosi, and Schumer. Not sure she stands a chance of winning without the 4 horsemen. My guess is that Jeffries endorsement might be the most difficult if he has ambitions of running for president someday.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jul 22, 2024 7:21:05 GMT -8
I think the Dem party gets fully behind her, and the media follows. The media needs to get on it quick to turn the election around. Don't let her say too much (like Biden) and run constant negative info on Trump and positive info on Harris.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 22, 2024 7:26:02 GMT -8
I don't think there's a ton of demographic separation between Biden and Harris among the key bases. Biden won over the independents 52-43 in 2020, Harris probably needs that kind of margin. There have been a lot of people who didn't like either candidate. Trump is a lying, fascist scumbag, and Biden was too old. Now, with a new option, those people can get behind a candidate whereas they couldn't/wouldn't before. Just because someone doesn't like a candidate doesn't mean they won't vote for them. You're misreading the situation. |
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