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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 14, 2024 10:44:33 GMT -8
Not if the subject is a liar, convicted fraudster and known for staging events...like the one at the "Black" church Detroit...nope...not an idiotic take at all...now an idiotic take would be "Let's start a gofundme for the shooter" to give him an atta boy for his unsuccessful effort....
Let's see, here is what Trump must have said to the shooter. "Take a shot from about 400 feet from where I will be standing. Make sure that you hit my ear, but not my head."
Does that make sense to you?
AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 11:28:32 GMT -8
The shooter turns out to be a registered Republican and a pro 2A individual...and Trump wasn't even hit by a bullet. The melodrama is unnecessary. A registered Republican who had contributed to Act Blue. And melodrama? Tell that to the others who were shot. I missed any reference to it in the original post...probably because it wasn't mentioned at all. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 11:34:13 GMT -8
This is bad, even by the standards you set with never being able to respond to questions. What has anyone said that hasn't been true, beyond what you want to hear?
Here is what has been bothering me for some time. I have been afraid that the anti-Trump rhetoric would cause something like this to happen. Do you find that belief unreasonable? I realize that the rhetoric used in political campaigns can sometimes become pretty extreme. That goes back to the 19th Century. But the rhetoric aimed at Trump has been far worse than that aimed at any other presidential candidate in the 18 campaigns I personally witnessed. (That goes back to 1952, by the way.)
I do not respect Donald Trump, period. I've made that clear many times. But he is not Adolf Hitler, which is what some on the left have said. And he is not an existential threat to democracy in this country. To suggest the latter is absurd and ignores the strength of our democratic institutions. No one man is capable of taking over this country as Hitler did to Germany. There is, nevertheless, plenty of reason to not want DJT in the White House again. But one does not have to resort to the language used against the man. Whether the shooter was inspired by anti-Trump rhetoric cannot be proven at this point. To suggest that such a link is unthinkable is foolish.
Here is a link to a thouthful piece of the comparison of Trump to Hitler.
theconversation.com/trump-hitler-comparisons-too-easy-and-ignore-the-murderous-history-92394
AzWmYes, I find it unreasonable. Because it largely is, in fact, unreasonable. Zero mention of Trump's decade-long incitement of violence across pretty much everywhere. This makes even less sense when the shooter wasn't a Democrat, wasn't a Biden disciple, wasn't a leftist....so, yeah, what? You continue to misrepresent the truth and reality, to an embarrassing level. In your eyes, because January 6th ultimately failed, it's no big deal and represents a footnote in history. That's nonsense, of course, a completely false and narrative-skewed misinterpretation of events. Have you even heard of Project 2025? Tbe rhetoric is TRUE. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 11:35:21 GMT -8
Not if the subject is a liar, convicted fraudster and known for staging events...like the one at the "Black" church Detroit...nope...not an idiotic take at all...now an idiotic take would be "Let's start a gofundme for the shooter" to give him an atta boy for his unsuccessful effort....
Let's see, here is what Trump must have said to the shooter. "Take a shot from about 400 feet from where I will be standing. Make sure that you hit my ear, but not my head."
Does that make sense to you?
AzWm
He's as lucky to be alive from a bullet that didn't even hit him as he is for being a 78 year old with comorbidity factors. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 14, 2024 11:35:55 GMT -8
You people are pieces of $#1+. Please find the nearest toilet and flush yourselves. well...when Reagan got wounded..dont remember him calling for violence......maybe it was QAnon. Because they got him into the car in seconds. They didn't even realize he was shot, neither did Reagan because a SS agent fell on top of him. He came very close to dying at that point as the doctors had trouble finding the bullet, which had flattened out. Trump didn'tt call for violence, he survived an assassination attempt and rose up defiant. The left have been calling him Hitler, a threat to our "democracy" and just this past week Biden said it was time to put a "bullseye" on him. How in the world the SS allowed someone on a rooftop with LOS a mere 130 yards out is beyond me. That is either incompetence or a significant lack of assets. By the way, Corey Comperatore is the man who died shielding his family from the gunfire. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 14, 2024 11:43:30 GMT -8
So Secret Service is complicit? The shooter got awfully close...140 yards away with a rifle...at a crowded event...that no one saw him crawl up...I have an expert marksman badge from my Army basic training...to get it I had to hit 36 out of 40 targets from 80-300 meters (327 yards) away with a M-16 rifle...the shooter happened to miss an easy shot...but was instantly killed by whoever...so, to answer your question...we'll never know if SS is complicit...but you can't put it past Trump set it up.... You really think Trump is going to trust a 20 year old firing an AR from 130 yards out to hit him in the ear so he can win an election? I mean, that makes no sense whatsoever. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 14, 2024 11:44:21 GMT -8
The shooter got awfully close...140 yards away with a rifle...at a crowded event...that no one saw him crawl up...I have an expert marksman badge from my Army basic training...to get it I had to hit 36 out of 40 targets from 80-300 meters (327 yards) away with a M-16 rifle...the shooter happened to miss an easy shot...but was instantly killed by whoever...so, to answer your question...we'll never know if SS is complicit...but you can't put it past Trump set it up.... To speculate that Trump somehow staged this is pure insanity. With zero evidence you accuse the Secret Service?? The fact someone got close is inexcusable, however if you feel the need to point a speculative finger I suggest you look at who has the most to gain and the clearest motive. Either that or an outlier kook brainwashed by the “Trump is EVIL” narrative constantly droned on by the mainstream democrat controlled media. I hope “moanin Joe”, Joy Behare and all the other anti Trump media personalities report themselves to their nearest toilet….and flush themselves away for good. Seriously, they all stink to high heaven. That being said, this was a very close brush with death for President Trump, one inch to the left and the bullet goes in his eye socket and through his brain. Truly this man had some kind of divine grace looking after him. The bullet which almost killed Reagan was a ricochet off the presidential limousine. Right into his left lung, almost killed him on the spot. JSYK. I'm guessing you read "Rawhide Down," right? |
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 14, 2024 11:47:10 GMT -8
well...when Reagan got wounded..dont remember him calling for violence......maybe it was QAnon. Because they got him into the car in seconds. They didn't even realize he was shot, neither did Reagan because a SS agent fell on top of him. He came very close to dying at that point as the doctors had trouble finding the bullet, which had flattened out. Trump didn'tt call for violence, he survived an assassination attempt and rose up defiant. The left have been calling him Hitler, a threat to our "democracy" and just this past week Biden said it was time to put a "bullseye" on him. How in the world the SS allowed someone on a rooftop with LOS a mere 130 yards out is beyond me. That is either incompetence or a significant lack of assets. By the way, Corey Comperatore is the man who died shielding his family from the gunfire. Well, people are reading all kinds of things into this. Politicians use euphemisms all the time, both sides. Question, when Paul Pelosi almost got killed by a guy with a ball peen hammer, why did trump (and others) make fun of him? I don't even know the guy...not the biggest Nancy fan, but that was not funny. Regarding the security at the event...it makes no sense..none. In this day and age. and with the technology available (drones with cameras)..how do you not secure a roof top like that? I have been on a lot of drone filming jobs and it makes no sense based in what's available. Or is it an open carry state, where you can carry near an event like this? which is also as stupid as it gets. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 14, 2024 11:47:33 GMT -8
To speculate that Trump somehow staged this is pure insanity. With zero evidence you accuse the Secret Service?? The fact someone got close is inexcusable, however if you feel the need to point a speculative finger I suggest you look at who has the most to gain and the clearest motive. Either that or an outlier kook brainwashed by the “Trump is EVIL” narrative constantly droned on by the mainstream democrat controlled media. I hope “moanin Joe”, Joy Behare and all the other anti Trump media personalities report themselves to their nearest toilet….and flush themselves away for good. Seriously, they all stink to high heaven. That being said, this was a very close brush with death for President Trump, one inch to the left and the bullet goes in his eye socket and through his brain. Truly this man had some kind of divine grace looking after him. The bullet which almost killed Reagan was a ricochet off the presidential limousine. Right into his left lung, almost killed him on the spot. JSYK. The shooter turns out to be a registered Republican and a pro 2A individual...and Trump wasn't even hit by a bullet. The melodrama is unnecessary. What caused his ear to bleed then? Some will register with the opposite party in order to vote against someone in the primary, and then reregister afterwards. We know very little about the shooter right now. I have read that he donated to Biden, however. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 11:51:03 GMT -8
Not if the subject is a liar, convicted fraudster and known for staging events...like the one at the "Black" church Detroit...nope...not an idiotic take at all...now an idiotic take would be "Let's start a gofundme for the shooter" to give him an atta boy for his unsuccessful effort....
Let's see, here is what Trump must have said to the shooter. "Take a shot from about 400 feet from where I will be standing. Make sure that you hit my ear, but not my head."
Does that make sense to you?
AzWm
Secret Service stood him up, allowed him to get his shoes and presented a photo op. That's not normal behavior, either. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 14, 2024 11:51:12 GMT -8
The shooter turns out to be a registered Republican and a pro 2A individual...and Trump wasn't even hit by a bullet. The melodrama is unnecessary. What caused his ear to bleed then? Some will register with the opposite party in order to vote against someone in the primary, and then reregister afterwards. We know very little about the shooter right now. I have read that he donated to Biden, however. Could just be a 20 year old loser using Dad's gun to make a statement like Hinckley or Chapman. But does not explain even getting in the position in the first place. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 11:51:48 GMT -8
The shooter turns out to be a registered Republican and a pro 2A individual...and Trump wasn't even hit by a bullet. The melodrama is unnecessary. What caused his ear to bleed then? Some will register with the opposite party in order to vote against someone in the primary, and then reregister afterwards. We know very little about the shooter right now. I have read that he donated to Biden, however. Bullet shattered the teleprompter glass and the glass hit him, per the Secret Service. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 14, 2024 11:52:12 GMT -8
Are you sure he was hit by glass?Melodrama? Again, you've got it bad, real bad. It's been confirmed by hospital staff and by reports, so yeah, I'm pretty sure. Acting like you care this deeply is pretty odd. I'm not going to get sucked into the vortex of whatever cult worshipping is going to take place, this is another convenient narrative to turn Trump into the national hero.... he's still the same person he was yesterday. And what created the glass shrapnel then? If his teleprompter did help deflect the shot then that was fortuitous though, you seem to dismiss the fact that the bullet was aimed at his head. Personally, I'm surprised that ballistic glass isn't used at events like this. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 14, 2024 11:53:32 GMT -8
This is bad, even by the standards you set with never being able to respond to questions. What has anyone said that hasn't been true, beyond what you want to hear?
Here is what has been bothering me for some time. I have been afraid that the anti-Trump rhetoric would cause something like this to happen. Do you find that belief unreasonable? I realize that the rhetoric used in political campaigns can sometimes become pretty extreme. That goes back to the 19th Century. But the rhetoric aimed at Trump has been far worse than that aimed at any other presidential candidate in the 18 campaigns I personally witnessed. (That goes back to 1952, by the way.)
I do not respect Donald Trump, period. I've made that clear many times. But he is not Adolf Hitler, which is what some on the left have said. And he is not an existential threat to democracy in this country. To suggest the latter is absurd and ignores the strength of our democratic institutions. No one man is capable of taking over this country as Hitler did to Germany. There is, nevertheless, plenty of reason to not want DJT in the White House again. But one does not have to resort to the language used against the man. Whether the shooter was inspired by anti-Trump rhetoric cannot be proven at this point. To suggest that such a link is unthinkable is foolish.
Here is a link to a thouthful piece of the comparison of Trump to Hitler.
theconversation.com/trump-hitler-comparisons-too-easy-and-ignore-the-murderous-history-92394
AzWmI explained all of this in a separate post on another thread, which you never answered. You see things in absolutes, I don't. Restricting civil rights? That's democracy dying. Taking a woman's bodily independence away? That's democracy dying. It's not "revolution or bust." |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 14, 2024 11:55:39 GMT -8
Okaaay. The next president of the USA survives an assasination attempt and you shrug it off like it’s no big deal. Of course if it was Biden you would be having kittens and blaming MAGA. You’re even more delusional than Biden. Shooter was a 20 year old kid BTW. You're out here praising Trump as a hero. Sorry, I'm not the delusional one. He rose up like a f****** rock star after someone tried to kill him. Had you experienced the same, you likely would have been wondering why your boxers are moist and sticky. If you don't realize that most Americans will rally around him even more because of how he responded I really can't help you. But, at least this takes the focus off Biden's mental decline for a week or so. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 14, 2024 11:58:06 GMT -8
The shooter turns out to be a registered Republican and a pro 2A individual...and Trump wasn't even hit by a bullet. The melodrama is unnecessary. What caused his ear to bleed then? Some will register with the opposite party in order to vote against someone in the primary, and then reregister afterwards. We know very little about the shooter right now. I have read that he donated to Biden, however. A few are saying it was glass, struck by a bullet. Possibly a teleprompter. Yes, he donated to Biden. Yep, his party affiliation means zero. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 14, 2024 12:03:06 GMT -8
What caused his ear to bleed then? Some will register with the opposite party in order to vote against someone in the primary, and then reregister afterwards. We know very little about the shooter right now. I have read that he donated to Biden, however. A few are saying it was glass, struck by a bullet. Possibly a teleprompter. Yes, he donated to Biden. Yep, his party affiliation means zero. As I mentioned in another post John, what if he's just a screwed up kid, who used his Dad's gun..and was making a "statement" like Hinckley or Chapman. Would it matter which affiliation then? Obviously not a professional, but does not explain how hegot in that position in the first place. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 14, 2024 12:11:18 GMT -8
This statement is totally absurd. Trump is lucky to be alive. If you thought about this idea a bit, you would realize how ridiculous it is.
Let's see, here is what Trump must have said to the shooter. "Take a shot from about 400 feet from where I will be standing. Make sure that you hit my ear, but not my head."
Does that make sense to you?
AzWm
He's as lucky to be alive from a bullet that didn't even hit him as he is for being a 78 year old with comorbidity factors. Allegedly. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 14, 2024 12:29:11 GMT -8
Because they got him into the car in seconds. They didn't even realize he was shot, neither did Reagan because a SS agent fell on top of him. He came very close to dying at that point as the doctors had trouble finding the bullet, which had flattened out. Trump didn'tt call for violence, he survived an assassination attempt and rose up defiant. The left have been calling him Hitler, a threat to our "democracy" and just this past week Biden said it was time to put a "bullseye" on him. How in the world the SS allowed someone on a rooftop with LOS a mere 130 yards out is beyond me. That is either incompetence or a significant lack of assets. By the way, Corey Comperatore is the man who died shielding his family from the gunfire. Well, people are reading all kinds of things into this. Politicians use euphemisms all the time, both sides. Question, when Paul Pelosi almost got killed by a guy with a ball peen hammer, why did trump (and others) make fun of him? I don't even know the guy...not the biggest Nancy fan, but that was not funny. Regarding the security at the event...it makes no sense..none. In this day and age. and with the technology available (drones with cameras)..how do you not secure a roof top like that? I have been on a lot of drone filming jobs and it makes no sense based in what's available. Or is it an open carry state, where you can carry near an event like this? which is also as stupid as it gets. Paul Pelosi didn't almost die, that whole situation was pretty weird though. He knew his attacker, and was talking to police at his door when the guy went off on him. I'm sorry, the rhetoric from people like Maxine Waters, Schumer (personally threatened SCOTUS members), Hillary (called for people like me to be put in re-education camps) and others from the left is much more promoting violence than you hear from the right. It was a Sanders supporter that shot, and nearly killed, Scalise while targeting other congressional republicans. Sorry, the dems have nothing positive to run on so they have to demonize the opposition. I've seen it here in California, which is my lifetime has moved from strong red to kooky blue. I've seen people claiming Trump advocated violence against rioters for George Floyd. Yes, he said he would provide whatever the local government would want from the feds, like any other responsible President would do. People like you keep pointing at Jan 6 like it was an insurrection. Nope, most did nothing wrong though a few did instigate and cause damage. Ray Epps, caught on film advocating, isn't rotting a way in a DC jail awaiting trial. Personally, I do believe their were instigators from the left that c aused most of the problems. However, none of you will mention the riots outside the White House targeting Trump in which police and SS agents were attacked and injured and a neighboring church was set afire. I don't recall anyone charged with significant crimes. When California was devastated by fires, Trump provided Newsome with everything he asked for. The latest pro-Hamas riots have led to violence and significant damages to properties and yet now one is rotting away in jail awaiting trial for the obvious crimes that had been committed. But, we are putting grandmothers in prison for merely walking through the Capitol after CP opened the doors and let them in. Really, do you think a guy wearing horns, makeup and carrying a US flag is a threat to our republic? Biden has called Trump an existential threat to our "democracy," had said he would use F-15s against his own people. Stallwell, not to be outdone, alluded to using nuclear weapons against 2A supporters. Pelosi ripped up the SOTH speech in front of the cameras. The left tried to remove Trump from office twice and has arrested his supporters since he left office, threatening others with jail time if they didn't turn against them. His home was raided by the FBI because he was in possession of some documents that he would not have even packed himself. Those were in a locked room at Mar-a-Lago. Biden had his in garage that was accessible to many. The left elevated misdemeanor crimes to felonies just so they could use a corrupt judge and biased court to decide to make him a "felon." And yet, Harris, Biden and other prominent dems say he will imprison his rivals if he is elected. Name me one he did so in his first term? So yeah, it is the left that has worked to divide this country, calling those that oppose them "deplorables" if not worse. I'm pretty sure, after yesterdays assassination attempt, a lot of independents will now be firmly in the Trump camp. Most who don't like him do like his policies, just not him personally. But the great majority of those independents hate things like open borders, crime, a terrible economy, inflation, lousy foreign policy more than they dislike Trump. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 14, 2024 12:38:10 GMT -8
Well, people are reading all kinds of things into this. Politicians use euphemisms all the time, both sides. Question, when Paul Pelosi almost got killed by a guy with a ball peen hammer, why did trump (and others) make fun of him? I don't even know the guy...not the biggest Nancy fan, but that was not funny. Regarding the security at the event...it makes no sense..none. In this day and age. and with the technology available (drones with cameras)..how do you not secure a roof top like that? I have been on a lot of drone filming jobs and it makes no sense based in what's available. Or is it an open carry state, where you can carry near an event like this? which is also as stupid as it gets. Paul Pelosi didn't almost die, that whole situation was pretty weird though. He knew his attacker, and was talking to police at his door when the guy went off on him. I'm sorry, the rhetoric from people like Maxine Waters, Schumer (personally threatened SCOTUS members), Hillary (called for people like me to be put in re-education camps) and others from the left is much more promoting violence than you hear from the right. It was a Sanders supporter that shot, and nearly killed, Scalise while targeting other congressional republicans. Sorry, the dems have nothing positive to run on so they have to demonize the opposition. I've seen it here in California, which is my lifetime has moved from strong red to kooky blue. I've seen people claiming Trump advocated violence against rioters for George Floyd. Yes, he said he would provide whatever the local government would want from the feds, like any other responsible President would do. People like you keep pointing at Jan 6 like it was an insurrection. Nope, most did nothing wrong though a few did instigate and cause damage. Ray Epps, caught on film advocating, isn't rotting a way in a DC jail awaiting trial. Personally, I do believe their were instigators from the left that c aused most of the problems. However, none of you will mention the riots outside the White House targeting Trump in which police and SS agents were attacked and injured and a neighboring church was set afire. I don't recall anyone charged with significant crimes. When California was devastated by fires, Trump provided Newsome with everything he asked for. The latest pro-Hamas riots have led to violence and significant damages to properties and yet now one is rotting away in jail awaiting trial for the obvious crimes that had been committed. But, we are putting grandmothers in prison for merely walking through the Capitol after CP opened the doors and let them in. Really, do you think a guy wearing horns, makeup and carrying a US flag is a threat to our republic? Biden has called Trump an existential threat to our "democracy," had said he would use F-15s against his own people. Stallwell, not to be outdone, alluded to using nuclear weapons against 2A supporters. Pelosi ripped up the SOTH speech in front of the cameras. The left tried to remove Trump from office twice and has arrested his supporters since he left office, threatening others with jail time if they didn't turn against them. His home was raided by the FBI because he was in possession of some documents that he would not have even packed himself. Those were in a locked room at Mar-a-Lago. Biden had his in garage that was accessible to many. The left elevated misdemeanor crimes to felonies just so they could use a corrupt judge and biased court to decide to make him a "felon." And yet, Harris, Biden and other prominent dems say he will imprison his rivals if he is elected. Name me one he did so in his first term? So yeah, it is the left that has worked to divide this country, calling those that oppose them "deplorables" if not worse. I'm pretty sure, after yesterdays assassination attempt, a lot of independents will now be firmly in the Trump camp. Most who don't like him do like his policies, just not him personally. But the great majority of those independents hate things like open borders, crime, a terrible economy, inflation, lousy foreign policy more than they dislike Trump. That's fine, we run in different circles and our world views are miles apart. And....I'm a moderate. I do like your Warriors takes...but your concept of what the independents will do, or how they think is flawed in my opinion. We actually need 3 States (countries)...Im afraid. |
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