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Post by jcljorgenson on Dec 16, 2010 8:44:06 GMT -8
Hopefully this game shows how you cannot play into UCSB's strategy and try to win a game solely based on outside shooting. We lost a couple games last year when we tried to launch a bunch of NBA threes rather than get the ball inside, where we typically make close to 60% of our shots. Look what happened at Cal Poly, we went 0-18 in 3FGs and were lucky to pull out a win.
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Post by ned4 on Dec 16, 2010 8:54:14 GMT -8
Friends with one the UCSB player's Dad. Just got off the phone with him and asked him how did UCSB won the game? He told me that UNLV could not score against UCSB match up ZONE! Asked him what was going on with UNLV? He told me that UCSB outplayed UNLV on both ends of the floor. Also, as a team, UNLV jacked up 34 three point shots and made 6. Sounds familiar? As a matter of fact, stats reflect that UNLV's Stanback jacked up 23 three point shots by himself! Bottomline, UCSB just UPSET the #22 ranked team in the Country and one of most feared teams in the MWC. Now, does this mean UNLV will see ZONE the rest of the season? WOW! How do you type like that? One statement is normal, the next is shortened, then back to normal. No one else seems to have this issue. Do you keep hitting the enter button or something? Just curious... |
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Post by NTU on Dec 16, 2010 8:58:10 GMT -8
I'm more concerned about the Flu than the Zone. I know Fisher team can deal with the Zone. Really? Based on what? Zone defenses have ALWAYS been the biggest bogeyman for the Aztecs in the Fisher era. Every coach in the country knows it. Mike Montgomery flat out said it (of course, Montgomery, like Fisher, is a believer in man-to-man). If you want to beat the Aztecs, play a good zone defense. Why do you think they struggle against YBU so badly? Because YBU has superior players?  The UCSB game will be a struggle. They know they can't match up athletically, so they're gonna do what Cal Poly did and muck it up in the middle. They know they can't win playing man-to-man because they'll get torched. And they've demonstrated a proficiency with the zone. They're gonna come in here EXTREMELY confident having beat a UNLV team that is similar to the Aztecs in a lot of ways. This is major test #2 in preparation for facing the Zoobs (and some good teams in the NCAA's). |
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Post by gauchosean on Dec 16, 2010 9:14:13 GMT -8
After SDSU's performance against SLO I am worried about UCSB taking you guys lightly!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 9:18:29 GMT -8
I'm more concerned about the Flu than the Zone. I know Fisher team can deal with the Zone. Really? Based on what? Zone defenses have ALWAYS been the biggest bogeyman for the Aztecs in the Fisher era. Every coach in the country knows it. Mike Montgomery flat out said it (of course, Montgomery, like Fisher, is a believer in man-to-man). If you want to beat the Aztecs, play a good zone defense. Why do you think they struggle against YBU so badly? Because YBU has superior players? The UCSB game will be a struggle. They know they can't match up athletically, so they're gonna do what Cal Poly did and muck it up in the middle. They know they can't win playing man-to-man because they'll get torched. And they've demonstrated a proficiency with the zone. They're gonna come in here EXTREMELY confident having beat a UNLV team that is similar to the Aztecs in a lot of ways. This is major test #2 in preparation for facing the Zoobs (and some good teams in the NCAA's). While this is true, we are much improved against a zone. The entrance of a true zone breaker in Rahon is nice to have. This should distort the zone, on top of that, zone makes it hard to rebound, and against what might be the best offensive rebounding team on the west coast, it could be bad news for UCSB. |
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Post by monty on Dec 16, 2010 9:26:24 GMT -8
someone smells blood  |
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Post by monty on Dec 16, 2010 9:27:45 GMT -8
After SDSU's performance against SLO I am worried about UCSB taking you guys lightly! dude, you must have better smack than that. |
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Post by monty on Dec 16, 2010 9:30:03 GMT -8
I'm more concerned about the Flu than the Zone. I know Fisher team can deal with the Zone. Really? Based on what? Zone defenses have ALWAYS been the biggest bogeyman for the Aztecs in the Fisher era. Every coach in the country knows it. Mike Montgomery flat out said it (of course, Montgomery, like Fisher, is a believer in man-to-man). If you want to beat the Aztecs, play a good zone defense. Why do you think they struggle against YBU so badly? Because YBU has superior players? The UCSB game will be a struggle. They know they can't match up athletically, so they're gonna do what Cal Poly did and muck it up in the middle. They know they can't win playing man-to-man because they'll get torched. And they've demonstrated a proficiency with the zone. They're gonna come in here EXTREMELY confident having beat a UNLV team that is similar to the Aztecs in a lot of ways. This is major test #2 in preparation for facing the Zoobs (and some good teams in the NCAA's). UNLV is not that similar to SDSU because they lack/fail-to-go-into an interior presence. They got a bunch of offensive boards, and didn't do much with them. UNLV is athletic like sdsu, but different in how they approach the game. If SDSU offensive boards like a bad rebounding UNLV did they are going to flush those down. |
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Post by montyismyhomie on Dec 16, 2010 9:31:38 GMT -8
After SDSU's performance against SLO I am worried about UCSB taking you guys lightly! dude, you must have better smack than that. I concur... pretty weak smack |
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Post by Steve Aztec on Dec 16, 2010 9:32:04 GMT -8
I feel an Aztec blowout coming up.
Aztecs by 20.
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Post by aztecfan on Dec 16, 2010 9:32:27 GMT -8
side note: UCSB's Jon Pastorek (former Aztec) play about 20 minutes per game... I bet he would love to beat the Aztecs
Aztecs need to get healthy and bring their A game. I'll see YOU at the Aztec Warrior Arena saturday night.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Dec 16, 2010 9:32:32 GMT -8
After SDSU's performance against SLO I am worried about UCSB taking you guys lightly! Jim Rome Sucks!!!! |
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Post by miners22 on Dec 16, 2010 12:25:29 GMT -8
You do know why teams play a Zone, don't you? Teams that play
Zone cannot defend! Also, many basketball experts consider a Zone as a "lazy defense." In fact, a man to man is actually played
with Zone principles. Sometimes its good to play a Zone, like to get your players rest, hide their weaknesses, keep them out of
foul trouble and etc..
However, the Aztecs have faced Zones all year! Teams in Ohio
played Zone, Cal played Zone, St. Mary's played Zone and Cal
Poly played scared! Gay and Rahon are not going to continue
to miss wide open shots from the perimeter. Both players are
natural scorers and will not let a few missed shots deter them
from taking a wide open shot!
UCSB, like other teams, will find out quickly that Aztecs can shoot
from the perimeter with consistency! All the aforementioned teams came out of their Zone before the game was over. UCSB
has to decide which poison they want to take before the game.
They can select inside poison or outside poison. If they pack
it inside, they will get poisoned from the outside; if they come out
of their Zone and play man, they will get poisoned on the inside!
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Post by NTU on Dec 16, 2010 12:34:17 GMT -8
You do know why teams play a Zone, don't you? Teams that play Zone cannot defend! Also, many basketball experts consider a Zone as a "lazy defense." In fact, a man to man is actually played with Zone principles. Sometimes its good to play a Zone, like to get your players rest, hide their weaknesses, keep them out of foul trouble and etc.. Tell that to Jim Boeheim and Syracuse. As far as the zone defenses the Aztecs have faced: Many of them are typically man-to-man teams, and therefore don't play the zone all that often. Since they don't play it that often, they don't play it particularly well. This was certainly the case with Cal, as Montgomery prefers man-to-man, but recognized the zone as a major problem for SDSU. I think that Cal Poly was the first team that SDSU faced that uses the zone as it's primary defensive set (since we didn't see any of the games in Ohio, I couldn't tell you what ANY of those teams do). UCSB will be the second. What happens on Saturday should be a pretty good indicator for what we can expect to happen against YBU next month. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 12:57:40 GMT -8
Really? Based on what? Zone defenses have ALWAYS been the biggest bogeyman for the Aztecs in the Fisher era. Every coach in the country knows it. Mike Montgomery flat out said it (of course, Montgomery, like Fisher, is a believer in man-to-man). If you want to beat the Aztecs, play a good zone defense. Why do you think they struggle against YBU so badly? Because YBU has superior players? The UCSB game will be a struggle. They know they can't match up athletically, so they're gonna do what Cal Poly did and muck it up in the middle. They know they can't win playing man-to-man because they'll get torched. And they've demonstrated a proficiency with the zone. They're gonna come in here EXTREMELY confident having beat a UNLV team that is similar to the Aztecs in a lot of ways. This is major test #2 in preparation for facing the Zoobs (and some good teams in the NCAA's). UNLV is not that similar to SDSU because they lack/fail-to-go-into an interior presence. They got a bunch of offensive boards, and didn't do much with them. UNLV is athletic like sdsu, but different in how they approach the game. If SDSU offensive boards like a bad rebounding UNLV did they are going to flush those down. This is under the assumption that those OFF Rebs came from the forwards. However, shooting that many 3's, those rebound probably did not come in the paint, probably long rebounds. Heck Tre'von Willis had 7 Off boards. Coincidence but they had 23 Off rebs, and 23 missed three's. I jump through the play by play, looks like of the 23 3 ptrs missed UNLV rebounded 19 of those shots. |
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Post by monty on Dec 16, 2010 13:27:58 GMT -8
UNLV is not that similar to SDSU because they lack/fail-to-go-into an interior presence. They got a bunch of offensive boards, and didn't do much with them. UNLV is athletic like sdsu, but different in how they approach the game. If SDSU offensive boards like a bad rebounding UNLV did they are going to flush those down. This is under the assumption that those OFF Rebs came from the forwards. However, shooting that many 3's, those rebound probably did not come in the paint, probably long rebounds. Heck Tre'von Willis had 7 Off boards. Coincidence but they had 23 Off rebs, and 23 missed three's. I jump through the play by play, looks like of the 23 3 ptrs missed UNLV rebounded 19 of those shots. SdsU won't shoot as many 3s for long rebounds but will, I'd bet, get plenty of offensive rebounds. UNLV only shot 12 for 33 inside the arc, i highly doubt sdsu mimics that. Leonard, if healthy will take plenty of shots around the elbow; the aztecs have also done a good job of working their way into 12 feet and in off the dribble against the zone. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 14:23:19 GMT -8
I'm more concerned about the Flu than the Zone. I know Fisher team can deal with the Zone. I agree with this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 14:26:44 GMT -8
After SDSU's performance against SLO I am worried about UCSB taking you guys lightly! No doubt, would be a concern of mine too were I a guacho fan. Further I would worry that the guachos had not had their flu shots.... |
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Post by csaztec on Dec 16, 2010 14:34:58 GMT -8
Does Labradford Franklin have a good 3 point shot? What percentage did he shoot in high school? He might be a zone buster along with Tapley, Rahon, and DJ.
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Post by AztecBill on Dec 16, 2010 14:41:46 GMT -8
Does Labradford Franklin have a good 3 point shot? What percentage did he shoot in high school? He might be a zone buster along with Tapley, Rahon, and DJ. The other zone buster you are looking for is Kawhi. He is shooting 3s very well. With DJ, Tapley, and Kawhi starting we have what we need - 3 high percentage 3 point shooters. When Rahon comes in we will still have at least 2 - Rahon, other guard. UCSB will not be able to pack the middle like Cal Poly did. Kawhi and Tapley are also our best 10-15 foot shooters. That will help also. |
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