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Post by aztecryan on Jul 1, 2024 7:43:04 GMT -8
It is perhaps the biggest ruling in the history of the United States. Justice Sotomayor's dissent is chilling.
I can't even find the words to describe how awful this is. Merrick Garland's nomination being blocked has now produced grave consequences.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 1, 2024 7:49:16 GMT -8
well....shooting someone on 5th Avenue may go pay-per-view.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 1, 2024 7:57:46 GMT -8
well....shooting someone on 5th Avenue may go pay-per-view. This isn't funny. It effectively destroys the January 6th case. Evidence of "private records" cannot even be ADMITTED into evidence in a trial. A bought and paid for Supreme Court, where Justice Thomas got to help craft this ruling (even though his wife was directly involved in the planning of January 6th) is outrageous. It's counter to everything this country has stood for 250 years. All presidents now have immunity for "official acts" thanks to this ruling. This is devastating, abhorrent and insane. If you thought political retribution was a stretch, it's not anymore. And now it's shielded, by our own justice system. This is 1940's Weimar Republic that we have shifted into. Political assassinations? Firings without cause? Bombing another country without provocation? This is the saddest day we've faced in a long, long time. The Constitution, for all intents and purposes...is dead.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 1, 2024 8:06:45 GMT -8
well....shooting someone on 5th Avenue may go pay-per-view. This isn't funny. It effectively destroys the January 6th case. Evidence of "private records" cannot even be ADMITTED into evidence in a trial. A bought and paid for Supreme Court, where Justice Thomas got to help craft this ruling (even though his wife was directly involved in the planning of January 6th) is outrageous. It's counter to everything this country has stood for 250 years. All presidents now have immunity for "official acts" thanks to this ruling. This is devastating, abhorrent and insane. If you thought political retribution was a stretch, it's not anymore. And now it's shielded, by our own justice system. This is 1940's Weimar Republic that we have shifted into. Political assassinations? Firings without cause? Bombing another country without provocation? This is the saddest day we've faced in a long, long time. The Constitution, for all intents and purposes...is dead. I wasn't trying to be funny. Read what you wrote just now. You said the same thing, just in a different way.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 1, 2024 8:10:26 GMT -8
This isn't funny. It effectively destroys the January 6th case. Evidence of "private records" cannot even be ADMITTED into evidence in a trial. A bought and paid for Supreme Court, where Justice Thomas got to help craft this ruling (even though his wife was directly involved in the planning of January 6th) is outrageous. It's counter to everything this country has stood for 250 years. All presidents now have immunity for "official acts" thanks to this ruling. This is devastating, abhorrent and insane. If you thought political retribution was a stretch, it's not anymore. And now it's shielded, by our own justice system. This is 1940's Weimar Republic that we have shifted into. Political assassinations? Firings without cause? Bombing another country without provocation? This is the saddest day we've faced in a long, long time. The Constitution, for all intents and purposes...is dead. I wasn't trying to be funny. Read what you wrote just now. You said the same thing, just in a different way. Those two things are not the same.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 1, 2024 8:21:07 GMT -8
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 1, 2024 8:26:33 GMT -8
America deserves what it's getting...we're on the steep decline...democracy ain't nothing but a word...not an idea anymore....
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 1, 2024 9:51:09 GMT -8
*This* is the kind of thing that matters in an election. We aren't talking about optics or age. If you vote for a third party, this is the result you're endorsing.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 1, 2024 11:40:34 GMT -8
Chief Justice Roberts: "In the criminal context, however, the Justice Department has long recognized that the separation of powers precludes the prosecution of a sitting president."
So if Trump were to lose the election (again) what's to stop him from contesting the results through violent means (again?) - He simply won't accept the will of the people if it means the suspension or dismissal of tbe federal cases against him.
What an utter disaster.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 1, 2024 18:38:20 GMT -8
Part of the analysis that matters here: Democrats won't game the system. They won't expand the court, they won't end the filibuster, they won't resort to tactics that will be used against them later on. Biden won't act, out of civility for the office, to escalate matters.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 1, 2024 18:47:49 GMT -8
Part of the analysis that matters here: Democrats won't game the system. They won't expand the court, they won't end the filibuster, they won't resort to tactics that will be used against them later on. Biden won't act, out of civility for the office, to escalate matters. In other words...we are bringing a knife to a gun fight. All this discussion about Biden and competence. Do the Democrats realize this is a war?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 1, 2024 18:50:04 GMT -8
Part of the analysis that matters here: Democrats won't game the system. They won't expand the court, they won't end the filibuster, they won't resort to tactics that will be used against them later on. Biden won't act, out of civility for the office, to escalate matters. In other words...we are bringing a knife to a gun fight. All this discussion about Biden and competence. Do the Democrats realize this is a war? One side has more gumption than the other. Unfortunate.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2024 15:17:56 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 5, 2024 11:03:29 GMT -8
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 5, 2024 13:49:40 GMT -8
Presidents are going to do what they need to do to protect the United States of America and its citizens.
It is the Democrats and Biden‘s people in particular who’s unbridled unhinged wild hatred of Donald Trump (I still haven’t figured that out by the way.) and the ridiculous felony piggybacking on misnomer lawsuits which are threatened. This ruling goes both ways, President Biden’s influence peddling to the Chinese and wholesale shakedowns of the Ukrainians are also protected under this ruling.
Would you prosecute FDR for ordering the assassination of admiral Yamamoto? How about Obama for having OBL wacked? There are dozens of other examples, were presidents have used their authority as commander-in-chief to go after and punish our enemies. Are we going to punish George Bush for liberating Iraq? How about Bill Clinton for bombing the crap out of Bosnia?
You brainwashed liberal lemmings have Donald Trump inside your worst nightmares. Take a Valium and get over it.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 5, 2024 14:25:47 GMT -8
Presidents are going to do what they need to do to protect the United States of America and its citizens. It is the Democrats and Biden‘s people in particular who’s unbridled unhinged wild hatred of Donald Trump (I still haven’t figured that out by the way.) and the ridiculous felony piggybacking on misnomer lawsuits which are threatened. This ruling goes both ways, President Biden’s influence peddling to the Chinese and wholesale shakedowns of the Ukrainians are also protected under this ruling. Would you prosecute FDR for ordering the assassination of admiral Yamamoto? How about Obama for having OBL wacked? There are dozens of other examples, were presidents have used their authority as commander-in-chief to go after and punish our enemies. Are we going to punish George Bush for liberating Iraq? How about Bill Clinton for bombing the crap out of Bosnia? You brainwashed liberal lemmings have Donald Trump inside your worst nightmares. Take a Valium and get over it. I have no idea why I'm bothering with this, but it's perfectly reasonable to have a president have immunity for official acts. That's necessary, and it's not the crux or importance of the ruling. *HOW* the determination comes to pass of what is or is not an official act and the presumption of immunity for UNOFFICIAL acts IS the flaw. Now, Biden is immune, Trump is immune, future presidents are all immune. Biden could sell pardons for the worst people on Earth, immune. Biden could order arrests of federal officials...official act. You don't have to be a genius to figure out this opens Pandora's box to some absolutely batshit stuff. You haven't figured it out? Trump is a vile, disgusting, unlawful, entitled, scum of the Earth shitbag. Do we really need to go through that again? You just got shown proof. You stand for Neo-Nazis? Rape? Pedophilia? GOOD FOR YOU. The rest of us are appalled. Would I prosecute FDR for ordering an act of war? No. That's not what the ruling is about. Acts while in office are covered, they always have been. This is about actions that are NOT official - Taking documents from the White House, lying on a sworn affidavit, obstructing justice...those are crimes. Just tell me you don't know what you're talking about. TL;DR.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 5, 2024 16:08:34 GMT -8
Presidents are going to do what they need to do to protect the United States of America and its citizens. It is the Democrats and Biden‘s people in particular who’s unbridled unhinged wild hatred of Donald Trump (I still haven’t figured that out by the way.) and the ridiculous felony piggybacking on misnomer lawsuits which are threatened. This ruling goes both ways, President Biden’s influence peddling to the Chinese and wholesale shakedowns of the Ukrainians are also protected under this ruling. Would you prosecute FDR for ordering the assassination of admiral Yamamoto? How about Obama for having OBL wacked? There are dozens of other examples, were presidents have used their authority as commander-in-chief to go after and punish our enemies. Are we going to punish George Bush for liberating Iraq? How about Bill Clinton for bombing the crap out of Bosnia? You brainwashed liberal lemmings have Donald Trump inside your worst nightmares. Take a Valium and get over it. I personally don't know anybody who talks, or thinks like you....which is a good thing. I know a few professional musicians as well. You may not like everything Project 2025 does either..btw.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 5, 2024 16:55:14 GMT -8
Presidents are going to do what they need to do to protect the United States of America and its citizens. It is the Democrats and Biden‘s people in particular who’s unbridled unhinged wild hatred of Donald Trump (I still haven’t figured that out by the way.) and the ridiculous felony piggybacking on misnomer lawsuits which are threatened. This ruling goes both ways, President Biden’s influence peddling to the Chinese and wholesale shakedowns of the Ukrainians are also protected under this ruling. Would you prosecute FDR for ordering the assassination of admiral Yamamoto? How about Obama for having OBL wacked? There are dozens of other examples, were presidents have used their authority as commander-in-chief to go after and punish our enemies. Are we going to punish George Bush for liberating Iraq? How about Bill Clinton for bombing the crap out of Bosnia? You brainwashed liberal lemmings have Donald Trump inside your worst nightmares. Take a Valium and get over it. The ruling goes one way, in actuality. While it gives every president immunity for acts in office, it doesn't even address how a reasonable prosecution could ever occur of unofficial or private conduct. Presumably, it would go to the same Supreme Court to make that determination. Again, I'm going to stress this so there is no confusion: Every single example you brought up is an official act, under Article II of the Constitution. Core powers. That is not what this ruling is about in the slightest.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 5, 2024 17:35:23 GMT -8
Presidents are going to do what they need to do to protect the United States of America and its citizens. It is the Democrats and Biden‘s people in particular who’s unbridled unhinged wild hatred of Donald Trump (I still haven’t figured that out by the way.) and the ridiculous felony piggybacking on misnomer lawsuits which are threatened. This ruling goes both ways, President Biden’s influence peddling to the Chinese and wholesale shakedowns of the Ukrainians are also protected under this ruling. Would you prosecute FDR for ordering the assassination of admiral Yamamoto? How about Obama for having OBL wacked? There are dozens of other examples, were presidents have used their authority as commander-in-chief to go after and punish our enemies. Are we going to punish George Bush for liberating Iraq? How about Bill Clinton for bombing the crap out of Bosnia? You brainwashed liberal lemmings have Donald Trump inside your worst nightmares. Take a Valium and get over it. The ruling goes one way, in actuality. While it gives every president immunity for acts in office, it doesn't even address how a reasonable prosecution could ever occur of unofficial or private conduct. Presumably, it would go to the same Supreme Court to make that determination. Again, I'm going to stress this so there is no confusion: Every single example you brought up is an official act, under Article II of the Constitution. Core powers. That is not what this ruling is about in the slightest. Two things. First, without the Biden harassment of Trump over the past year, this case probably never comes onto the Supreme Court’s docket. Second, within two months you will not remember or care about this ruling. You will probably be stressing about something else Trump, the right and the GOP has done.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 5, 2024 17:40:31 GMT -8
The ruling goes one way, in actuality. While it gives every president immunity for acts in office, it doesn't even address how a reasonable prosecution could ever occur of unofficial or private conduct. Presumably, it would go to the same Supreme Court to make that determination. Again, I'm going to stress this so there is no confusion: Every single example you brought up is an official act, under Article II of the Constitution. Core powers. That is not what this ruling is about in the slightest. Two things. First, without the Biden harassment of Trump over the past year, this case probably never comes onto the Supreme Court’s docket. Second, within two months you will not remember or care about this ruling. You will probably be stressing about something else Trump, the right and the GOP has done. "Biden harassment" - Independent investigation by the Special Counsel, you mean. This case was always going to the Supreme Court after the Circuit review denied his original appeal. That's how federal cases work. Trump STOLE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. If you or I did that, we'd be in prison. For a long, long time. And no, I'll remember this case for a whole lot longer than two months. Again, you don't know what you're talking about...and it shows. Notice how you didn't reference a single point I made....just quit while you're behind.
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