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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2024 10:11:16 GMT -8
The information gap is growing and the divide is worsening. This is on full display in our political landscape right now, in a variety of ways. Everyone loses in this scenario, in some way or another, as words reinforce beliefs already held and those beliefs inevitably turn into action. It's not just basic rhetoric anymore, either. x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1794543434256269607?t=2UA9JfI7o-r4GRu8Z48sqg&s=19For anyone who actually watched the event happen, you're being lied to here, in plain sight. But don't question it, just keep on absorbing it. Whether it's guns, vaccines, civil rights, women's health, the economy, the radicalization of the Supreme Court, or any other societal issue....the truth needs to be sought after. |
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Post by uwphoto on May 26, 2024 20:59:15 GMT -8
The information gap is growing and the divide is worsening. This is on full display in our political landscape right now, in a variety of ways. Everyone loses in this scenario, in some way or another, as words reinforce beliefs already held and those beliefs inevitably turn into action. It's not just basic rhetoric anymore, either. x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1794543434256269607?t=2UA9JfI7o-r4GRu8Z48sqg&s=19For anyone who actually watched the event happen, you're being lied to here, in plain sight. But don't question it, just keep on absorbing it. Whether it's guns, vaccines, civil rights, women's health, the economy, the radicalization of the Supreme Court, or any other societal issue....the truth needs to be sought after. well, the question is how far can you get, within a given beleif system or group think, in setting a baseline of what's true and what is false? For example, first question might be "is the Earth flat or round? You might lose 0.5% of the population here. #2 was the moon landing faked? you lose a higher percentage. #3 was 9-11 an inside job? #4 were the children at Sandy Hook character actors? #5 Was the 2020 election rigged? see, you can't even get to #5 before you've already lost at least 2 or 3 of the posters on here. America is fugged. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2024 21:15:12 GMT -8
The information gap is growing and the divide is worsening. This is on full display in our political landscape right now, in a variety of ways. Everyone loses in this scenario, in some way or another, as words reinforce beliefs already held and those beliefs inevitably turn into action. It's not just basic rhetoric anymore, either. x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1794543434256269607?t=2UA9JfI7o-r4GRu8Z48sqg&s=19For anyone who actually watched the event happen, you're being lied to here, in plain sight. But don't question it, just keep on absorbing it. Whether it's guns, vaccines, civil rights, women's health, the economy, the radicalization of the Supreme Court, or any other societal issue....the truth needs to be sought after. well, the question is how far can you get, within a given beleif system or group think, in setting a baseline of what's true and what is false? For example, first question might be "is the Earth flat or round? You might lose 0.5% of the population here. #2 was the moon landing faked? you lose a higher percentage. #3 was 9-11 an inside job? #4 were the children at Sandy Hook character actors? #5 Was the 2020 election rigged? see, you can't even get to #5 before you've already lost at least 2 or 3 of the posters on here. America is fugged. That's the dissonance I'm referring to. Before I get accused of being a partisan hack, this happens on both sides of the spectrum, with both extremes being accounted for. It's wrong on both sides, regardless of who is saying it. It's a complex topic, but it's worth exploring. |
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Post by uwphoto on May 26, 2024 21:38:44 GMT -8
well, the question is how far can you get, within a given beleif system or group think, in setting a baseline of what's true and what is false? For example, first question might be "is the Earth flat or round? You might lose 0.5% of the population here. #2 was the moon landing faked? you lose a higher percentage. #3 was 9-11 an inside job? #4 were the children at Sandy Hook character actors? #5 Was the 2020 election rigged? see, you can't even get to #5 before you've already lost at least 2 or 3 of the posters on here. America is fugged. That's the dissonance I'm referring to. Before I get accused of being a partisan hack, this happens on both sides of the spectrum, with both extremes being accounted for. It's wrong on both sides, regardless of who is saying it. It's a complex topic, but it's worth exploring. well, have you ever talked to a "flat earther"? I have, and the guy had a college degree! He was about 26, and I'm old. Of course I listed all the usual reasons why it was impossible, including images from space, looking back at earth. Of course he, with a straight face, told me that those were faked...as well as the moon Landing. He listed his own set of "facts" as to why the earth was flat and was convinced it was true. I walked away and was actually shocked somebody with a college degree was telling me this $#!+. He wasn't joking. Point being, if you are suseptible, you can be convinced of anything. ask Alex Jones. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 26, 2024 21:54:46 GMT -8
That's the dissonance I'm referring to. Before I get accused of being a partisan hack, this happens on both sides of the spectrum, with both extremes being accounted for. It's wrong on both sides, regardless of who is saying it. It's a complex topic, but it's worth exploring. well, have you ever talked to a "flat earther"? I have, and the guy had a college degree! He was about 26, and I'm old. Of course I listed all the usual reasons why it was impossible, including images from space, looking back at earth. Of course he, with a straight face, told me that those were faked...as well as the moon Landing. He listed his own set of "facts" as to why the earth was flat and was convinced it was true. I walked away and was actually shocked somebody with a college degree was telling me this $#!+. He wasn't joking. Point being, if you are suseptible, you can be convinced of anything. ask Alex Jones. I'm not talking about conspiracies, I'm talking about information in the political sphere and how easily deceived audiences can be just because something is said once, on a particular network, or by someone influential. It could be something totally innocuous, but to me, it's going to shake this election in a massive way. |
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Post by uwphoto on May 26, 2024 22:31:32 GMT -8
well, have you ever talked to a "flat earther"? I have, and the guy had a college degree! He was about 26, and I'm old. Of course I listed all the usual reasons why it was impossible, including images from space, looking back at earth. Of course he, with a straight face, told me that those were faked...as well as the moon Landing. He listed his own set of "facts" as to why the earth was flat and was convinced it was true. I walked away and was actually shocked somebody with a college degree was telling me this $#!+. He wasn't joking. Point being, if you are suseptible, you can be convinced of anything. ask Alex Jones. I'm not talking about conspiracies, I'm talking about information in the political sphere and how easily deceived audiences can be just because something is said once, on a particular network, or by someone influential. It could be something totally innocuous, but to me, it's going to shake this election in a massive way. yes...you mean like Biden tried to murder trump because of boilerplate language. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 26, 2024 23:34:22 GMT -8
well, have you ever talked to a "flat earther"? I have, and the guy had a college degree! He was about 26, and I'm old. Of course I listed all the usual reasons why it was impossible, including images from space, looking back at earth. Of course he, with a straight face, told me that those were faked...as well as the moon Landing. He listed his own set of "facts" as to why the earth was flat and was convinced it was true. I walked away and was actually shocked somebody with a college degree was telling me this $#!+. He wasn't joking. Point being, if you are suseptible, you can be convinced of anything. ask Alex Jones. I'm not talking about conspiracies, I'm talking about information in the political sphere and how easily deceived audiences can be just because something is said once, on a particular network, or by someone influential. It could be something totally innocuous, but to me, it's going to shake this election in a massive way. There are people out there that WANT to hear things positive, in their eyes, that they already have a bias towards, to try and solidify their thinking. It can be totally irrational, but they'll believe it to strengthen their bias. Like you said, both sides do it. For example, Trump didn't pay off that woman, they're only trying to get him off the ticket. Or, Biden hasn't lost a lot of his faculties, etc.... |
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Post by aztecryan on May 27, 2024 7:50:17 GMT -8
I'm not talking about conspiracies, I'm talking about information in the political sphere and how easily deceived audiences can be just because something is said once, on a particular network, or by someone influential. It could be something totally innocuous, but to me, it's going to shake this election in a massive way. There are people out there that WANT to hear things positive, in their eyes, that they already have a bias towards, to try and solidify their thinking. It can be totally irrational, but they'll believe it to strengthen their bias. Like you said, both sides do it. For example, Trump didn't pay off that woman, they're only trying to get him off the ticket. Or, Biden hasn't lost a lot of his faculties, etc.... That's what cognitive dissonance is, yes. Holding beliefs that can be contradictory to each other to reinforce a perception they already have. It's more of an issue on the far right, which is why we have MAGA "patriots" questioning the vaccination status of people who die, why Mike Lee thinks people are stupid and can't watch a screen with their own eyes, why Trump has been so successful in developing a persecution complex, etc. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on May 27, 2024 9:08:19 GMT -8
There are people out there that WANT to hear things positive, in their eyes, that they already have a bias towards, to try and solidify their thinking. It can be totally irrational, but they'll believe it to strengthen their bias. Like you said, both sides do it. For example, Trump didn't pay off that woman, they're only trying to get him off the ticket. Or, Biden hasn't lost a lot of his faculties, etc.... That's what cognitive dissonance is, yes. Holding beliefs that can be contradictory to each other to reinforce a perception they already have. It's more of an issue on the far right, which is why we have MAGA "patriots" questioning the vaccination status of people who die, why Mike Lee thinks people are stupid and can't watch a screen with their own eyes, why Trump has been so successful in developing a persecution complex, etc. It's not cognitive dissonance...people's behavior IS aligning with their beliefs...it's just the reality they use to base their behavior...is being manipulated by those with an agenda...here's how I explain how it works in a book I wrote: "One can never be certain the information used to sketch, colorize and frame their mental picture is entirely accurate. Lippman bases this assumption (belief) on the fact that the information used to form opinion can be misconstrued. Important details may be left out (censorship). Someone or something can limit access to information (limitations). It depends on how it is worded. Information could be lies or hyped (messaging). It also depends on if someone fears revealing the information (accountability). Lastly, it depends on the amount of time someone spends verifying the information (interest level). Any one of these things distorts (messes up) the mental picture (opinion). But how do the scandalous use these things to mislead? The scandalous use people/group’s divergent (different) memberships, interests, values to create images, lies, distortions that create fear and conflict amongst them. They then seamlessly attach their self-serving agenda onto people/group’s emotions. Emotions often override facts when people feel their values/culture/status are under attack/threatened. The scandalous intentionally deceive. They do not paint (depict) the actual/verifiable reality, but a montage (scene) to fit his/her/its agenda (scheme). They create abstract art of distortion and lies. They apply biased brush strokes (words/actions) and shady shades (misinformation) to paint a counterfeit portrait (story) that favors their best interest. Most time s/he/it gets away with the forgery because no one checks if the portrait is genuine (the real). The average person can’t get close or is interested enough (access) to authenticate it, so they have to take the artist/gallery’s (scandalous) word. This is why/how reality (mental picture) is distorted. You never know what’s real unless you witness/experience it with your own senses. Even then. As you can see, it takes practically nothing to distort mental portraits; especially if someone is susceptible to believe it’s genuine. All someone/group has to do is tell a convincing tale and have the power to prevent authentication. To verify the truth and/or expose a lie takes a lot of time, money and effort. That’s why most people don’t bother unless they’re really passionate about or affected by the portrait. What makes you passionate? It’s your gender, race, religion, politics, values, culture, economics and/or self-interests. That’s especially so when we fear our status/culture/group is being overtaken (usurped) or negatively affected. We spring into action to negate (stop) it. It’s human nature. The scandalous know this and use our emotions (insecurities) against us to set their agenda." This is why all the crap you hear on television...especially cable news...besides sports scores and the weather...is probably skewed to whomever agenda...people believe what they view/hear because they are moderately aware of the individual, group, issue or topic of interest...they either cannot independently verify information said about them, believe it to be true or have no desire to find out...for whatever reason..... |
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Post by aztecryan on May 27, 2024 9:25:06 GMT -8
That's what cognitive dissonance is, yes. Holding beliefs that can be contradictory to each other to reinforce a perception they already have. It's more of an issue on the far right, which is why we have MAGA "patriots" questioning the vaccination status of people who die, why Mike Lee thinks people are stupid and can't watch a screen with their own eyes, why Trump has been so successful in developing a persecution complex, etc. It's not cognitive dissonance...people's behavior IS aligning with their beliefs...it's just the reality they use to base their behavior...is being manipulated by those with an agenda...here's how I explain how it works in a book I wrote: "One can never be certain the information used to sketch, colorize and frame their mental picture is entirely accurate. Lippman bases this assumption (belief) on the fact that the information used to form opinion can be misconstrued. Important details may be left out (censorship). Someone or something can limit access to information (limitations). It depends on how it is worded. Information could be lies or hyped (messaging). It also depends on if someone fears revealing the information (accountability). Lastly, it depends on the amount of time someone spends verifying the information (interest level). Any one of these things distorts (messes up) the mental picture (opinion). But how do the scandalous use these things to mislead? The scandalous use people/group’s divergent (different) memberships, interests, values to create images, lies, distortions that create fear and conflict amongst them. They then seamlessly attach their self-serving agenda onto people/group’s emotions. Emotions often override facts when people feel their values/culture/status are under attack/threatened. The scandalous intentionally deceive. They do not paint (depict) the actual/verifiable reality, but a montage (scene) to fit his/her/its agenda (scheme). They create abstract art of distortion and lies. They apply biased brush strokes (words/actions) and shady shades (misinformation) to paint a counterfeit portrait (story) that favors their best interest. Most time s/he/it gets away with the forgery because no one checks if the portrait is genuine (the real). The average person can’t get close or is interested enough (access) to authenticate it, so they have to take the artist/gallery’s (scandalous) word. This is why/how reality (mental picture) is distorted. You never know what’s real unless you witness/experience it with your own senses. Even then. As you can see, it takes practically nothing to distort mental portraits; especially if someone is susceptible to believe it’s genuine. All someone/group has to do is tell a convincing tale and have the power to prevent authentication. To verify the truth and/or expose a lie takes a lot of time, money and effort. That’s why most people don’t bother unless they’re really passionate about or affected by the portrait. What makes you passionate? It’s your gender, race, religion, politics, values, culture, economics and/or self-interests. That’s especially so when we fear our status/culture/group is being overtaken (usurped) or negatively affected. We spring into action to negate (stop) it. It’s human nature. The scandalous know this and use our emotions (insecurities) against us to set their agenda." This is why all the crap you hear on television...especially cable news...besides sports scores and the weather...is probably skewed to whomever agenda...people believe what they view/hear because they are moderately aware of the individual, group, issue or topic of interest...they either cannot independently verify information said about them, believe it to be true or have no desire to find out...for whatever reason..... I think there's dissonance involved, to a certain degree. Maybe I didn't frame it in the way I wanted it to be interpreted. |
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