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Post by aztech on May 24, 2024 16:27:12 GMT -8
Sadly, by the time that would happen college sports, especially football and basketball, may be dead except for the P2 pros. At some point the networks will find that not enough people will care to watch University of Indiana play University of Oregon or Mississippi State University play University of Kentucky, ect. Then a great tradition enjoyed by many all over the country will disappear thanks to greed. The networks don't really care about game attendance since the revenue from those who attend only goes to the schools. The networks know the on-line bettors will be watching the games. That's where much of the audience is. So needless to say they love legalized gambling. |
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Post by AzTex on May 24, 2024 17:06:13 GMT -8
Since you asked, I'll repeat some of what I've said on the topic in a variety of threads. I have preferred amateur sports since I was in high school. Watching athletes play for the love of the game and for their love of the team just seemed much more interesting than watching professional players working for a paycheck. Yes the pros were more skilled, but the games lacked the variety that amateur athletes seemed to bring. The Olympics were something I looked forward to every 4 years. But, now my interest in them has decreased. I can't watch Olympic basketball at all even though it used to be one of my favorite when our college players made up the teams. I have renewed my football and basketball season tickets for the coming seasons. I truly hope I have the same passion watching Aztec sports that I've had over the last 60+ years. I fear that isn't going to be the case. If I lose some (all?) of the passion I hope I can at least keep enough interest to continue going to the games. It's been getting tougher and tougher for me to make that 2 1/2 hour round trip drive for every game (more when the traffic is heavy or there's and accident on the freeway). The drive may not be worth it to watch some professionals wearing Aztec uniforms play the games. NIL is not working as intended. It is play-for-pay. The NCAA is just looking the other way. No restriction transfers, coupled with NIL, have killed any pretense of team or school loyalty. So, yes. I'm going to wait and see. I really want to continue my love affair with Aztec sports. Outside of my family, Aztec sports has been one of the most important things in my life. I will miss it so very much if I lose interest. But, I truly fear that is what is about to happen. I would prefer to drop down to FCS or even D3 to keep amateur Aztec sports alive. I've said several times here on AM that the days of being in College Division, playing in the CCAA were every big as enjoyable, maybe more, than playing in the current D1.
Maybe a few years hence we'll find ourselves playing North Dakota State for a national title. Again? I guess I could live with that.  That game just might be my #2 all time best Aztec sporting event. Right behind the Final Four game against FAU. |
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Post by zbt69 on May 24, 2024 18:35:02 GMT -8
At some point the networks will find that not enough people will care to watch University of Indiana play University of Oregon or Mississippi State University play University of Kentucky, ect. Then a great tradition enjoyed by many all over the country will disappear thanks to greed. The networks don't really care about game attendance since the revenue from those who attend only goes to the schools. The networks know the on-line bettors will be watching the games. That's where much of the audience is. So needless to say they love legalized gambling. Well they might not as you say care about the the empty seats but I guarantee you there are many more people that watch game without betting on the games. Compared to the total viewership those with gambling issues are on the small size of any view demographic. But empty stadiums emplies to the viewer no one cares about the game. Thus the atmosphere of the product to not be to polite sucks. |
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Post by longtimebooster on May 25, 2024 6:15:17 GMT -8
That’s fine. But aren’t you just moving the goal posts? You said it never ever happens then bring up 2 instances (one very recently) that happened on our own team. I stand by my statement. Of course, I could've said "almost never." I'm not sure if you're just trying to do a "gotcha," or maybe you disagree with my entire premise (which I don't think is the case, and an overwhelming amount of evidence supports.) If you want to split hairs, we don't exactly know why CBM was shipped off to a JC in Florida and then to Auburn. His grades and attendance were rumored to be the reason. But I'm guessing that a bigger reason is that Dutcher probably viewed CBM as a walking land mine, ready to go off at some completely unexpected time, which of course, Auburn eventually discovered to ill effect. And again, if you want to split hairs, name just one starter on, say, a Top 50 team that has had to sit for a game or more in-season due to grades or academic issues. When was the last time you heard an announcer say, "Well, Bob, the starting point guard for Duke is out today because his econ professor is a real hard@ss and is making him retake his midterm, on which he performed miserably. Conversely, North Carolina's big man is out indefinitely until he can get his GPA back up over 2.5, which is the team's minimum requirement."? |
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Post by aztecking on May 25, 2024 8:04:58 GMT -8
That’s fine. But aren’t you just moving the goal posts? You said it never ever happens then bring up 2 instances (one very recently) that happened on our own team. I stand by my statement. Of course, I could've said "almost never." I'm not sure if you're just trying to do a "gotcha," or maybe you disagree with my entire premise (which I don't think is the case, and an overwhelming amount of evidence supports.) If you want to split hairs, we don't exactly know why CBM was shipped off to a JC in Florida and then to Auburn. His grades and attendance were rumored to be the reason. But I'm guessing that a bigger reason is that Dutcher probably viewed CBM as a walking land mine, ready to go off at some completely unexpected time, which of course, Auburn eventually discovered to ill effect. And again, if you want to split hairs, name just one starter on, say, a Top 50 team that has had to sit for a game or more in-season due to grades or academic issues. When was the last time you heard an announcer say, "Well, Bob, the starting point guard for Duke is out today because his econ professor is a real hard@ss and is making him retake his midterm, on which he performed miserably. Conversely, North Carolina's big man is out indefinitely until he can get his GPA back up over 2.5, which is the team's minimum requirement."? From this very season. Memphis’s starting center. I’m not even trying for a gotcha cause this is actually something that happens fairly regularly and you seem to just want to ignore that. Does it happen to every team every year? No, of course not. But you are just being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn. www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/memphis-c-malcolm-dandridge-being-held-out-by-school-as-it-investigates-potential-academic-misconduct-issue/amp/ |
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Post by smoothcat on May 25, 2024 10:04:43 GMT -8
College Sports has always struggled with competitive balance issues between the haves and have nots.
The NCAA had decades to figure out a solution, but were too busy enriching themselves to do their jobs.
Now it is an absolute mess and will continue to erode competitive balance and make the "education" part of being a college athlete more and more irrelevant.
No problem with Basketball and Football players getting paid, but to have no controls on it will mean the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...you might eventually end up with 20 Football Schools or so in one conference playing for a National Title and everyone else playing in lower tiers.
As far as basketball, there will continue to be huge roster turnover every year and good players at smaller schools will be taken away to get paid at bigger schools with more money.
I am losing interest and have no plans to supplement paying players though I don't begrudge others for doing so if that is how they want to spend their money.
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Post by nebraztec on May 25, 2024 10:24:27 GMT -8
Since players are going to be paid, do they pay for their own tuition, room/board & books?
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Post by perch on May 25, 2024 11:34:05 GMT -8
Books?? Who needs books?
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Post by zurac315 on May 25, 2024 13:01:36 GMT -8
So, we now will have some college athletes making more money than the presidents of said colleges/universities. In a head-shaking sort of way that seems kind of funny to me. Life never ceases to amaze.
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Post by aztech on May 25, 2024 13:15:41 GMT -8
College Sports has always struggled with competitive balance issues between the haves and have nots. The NCAA had decades to figure out a solution, but were too busy enriching themselves to do their jobs. Now it is an absolute mess and will continue to erode competitive balance and make the "education" part of being a college athlete more and more irrelevant. No problem with Basketball and Football players getting paid, but to have no controls on it will mean the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...you might eventually end up with 20 Football Schools or so in one conference playing for a National Title and everyone else playing in lower tiers. As far as basketball, there will continue to be huge roster turnover every year and good players at smaller schools will be taken away to get paid at bigger schools with more money. I am losing interest and have no plans to supplement paying players though I don't begrudge others for doing so if that is how they want to spend their money.I'm with you. If a noticeable amount of players start to abandon our programs due to money then I'll get to the point of being a casual fan with a shrug, not caring who won or lost a game. It just won't be the same following a lower level of competition that we're used to. The bigger schools will always donate beyond what we can deliver. It's a nationwide issue that the politicans should address, sooner than later. Let them know we're voters. |
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Post by longtimebooster on May 26, 2024 5:01:12 GMT -8
Geezus. Stop. I'm not being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn. And I'll modify my "Never. Ever." statement to "exceedingly, vanishingly rare" that any NCAA team pulls a player -- any player, but especially a key player -- from the lineup due to grades or academic performance. There are 351 D1 NCAA basketball teams with about 5,200 players. The fact that you can maybe count on one or two hands (or maybe even just your thumbs) the number of suspensions due to grades or academic performance doesn't prove the point that there's a serious watchdog to monitor how athletes are doing in school. In fact, it's just the opposite. The NCAA even suspended its Academic Performance Review (APR) process during COVID and just announced that they'll resume that program for the '24/'25 season. So there really has been no NCAA watchdog for the past three years when it comes to academic performance. As for the unfortunate Mr. Dandridge, he wasn't held out for poor grades, but rather for the suspicion that someone had doctored his transcripts. In fact, Memphis threw their academic advisor under the bus and fired him prior to Dandridge's suspension. And here's what the erudite Mr. Dandridge had to say publicly following his suspension (which didn't really come off as exculpatory, as perhaps he'd planned): "I hope them punks that wasn’t letting me play satisfied," he posted on Instagram. "The truth will come out! Be careful who you allow yourself to be around, them snakes will smile and say they love you, and stab the (expletive) out of you." |
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Post by Lloyd on May 26, 2024 7:53:26 GMT -8
Interesting article about the NCAA settlement. It may be worse than you think for the non-P5 conferences. www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/historic-house-case-settlement-has-college-basketball-not-college-football-to-thank-for-saving-the-ncaa/"The NCAA office is going to pay approximately 40% of the settlement bill. And where did that money come from? Men's NCAA Tournament revenue accrued over the years, in addition to cost savings and insurance plans. The remaining near-60% of the damages will be paid off by every conference. Of that ⅗ portion (somewhere between $1.6 and $1.7 billion), 60% of it will be paid out by conferences outside the Power Five. That equates to somewhere north of $975 million over a 10-year period for multi-bid and mid-major leagues to foot the bill." |
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Post by docmm on May 26, 2024 8:22:54 GMT -8
Interesting article about the NCAA settlement. It may be worse than you think for the non-P5 conferences. www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/historic-house-case-settlement-has-college-basketball-not-college-football-to-thank-for-saving-the-ncaa/"The NCAA office is going to pay approximately 40% of the settlement bill. And where did that money come from? Men's NCAA Tournament revenue accrued over the years, in addition to cost savings and insurance plans. The remaining near-60% of the damages will be paid off by every conference. Of that ⅗ portion (somewhere between $1.6 and $1.7 billion), 60% of it will be paid out by conferences outside the Power Five. That equates to somewhere north of $975 million over a 10-year period for multi-bid and mid-major leagues to foot the bill." That doesn't sound rational(not that anything does these days). Why would non-P5 schools have to pay such a substantial portion? It was mentioned that one of the money factors was the NIL-type$ that the highly-rated high school kids weren't getting from their schools, almost all of which would have been P5. Unless this is purely based and equally broken down by the total number of D1 schools vs the number of P5 schools. That higher % might apply to BB but certainly not to FB. AMENDMENT: Never mind, I just read the whole article. The general unfairness of the P5 actions is completely accurate and every non-P5 conference will be getting so screwed that March Madness will end up like the CFB Tournament:no freakin' chance for any non-P5 school to win just about anything. And the Golden Goose will end up by the side of the road, strangled to death in a bloody heap. |
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Post by billypadre on May 27, 2024 7:30:31 GMT -8
Eventually this will lead to schools leaving the ncaa and form their own league. Yup--there will be a 40-50 school "super conference" for major DI football programs independant of the NCAA & they will tell everyone else "good luck"! |
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Post by Den60 on May 27, 2024 9:38:17 GMT -8
Eventually this will lead to schools leaving the ncaa and form their own league. Yup--there will be a 40-50 school "super conference" for major DI football programs independant of the NCAA & they will tell everyone else "good luck"! 40 tops. Likely closer to 30. |
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Post by aztech on May 27, 2024 11:25:48 GMT -8
Yup--there will be a 40-50 school "super conference" for major DI football programs independant of the NCAA & they will tell everyone else "good luck"! 40 tops. Likely closer to 30. Kind of similar to OPEC who sets the oil price. As for college sports these super conferences will still be under the NCAA. It'll be interesting to see if they break away when the dust settles. If they do they'll think they're invincible and will over reach and fight each other. Isn't that what power does? |
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Post by tuff on Jun 27, 2024 8:24:36 GMT -8
Hahahaha. So long to college sports. It will happen if this is completely unrestricted. Why watch AA when you can watch the Show? Hell, when the Chargers said they were moving, they became dead to me. I don't miss them nor the disappointment I felt in following them. Same can be said of collegiate sports because I've always thought of them as different from the pros. I'm sure I can forget them as well. Since the Chargers left I have had so much more time available on the weekend for myself. I am sure I will adapt if college sports destroy their brand ans well. Agree !00%. Heck, a lot of my friends have quit golf because of the increases expense. |
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