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Post by aztecking on May 24, 2024 9:53:22 GMT -8
Short memory, huh? It literally happened on our own basketball team a couple seasons ago. Does the name Chad Baker-Mazara ring a bell? No short memory. Of course, I remember Chad. I also remember Evan Burns, who got bounced because he couldn't hack going to class or managing a college course. But those are outliers. And it certainly almost never happens during the season. It also almost never happens to star players. Too much $$$ at stake. I recall an interview with Darren Smith a few years ago with a college player who became an NBA lottery pick. Smith asked the player to describe their typical day. The player said it was basketball 24/7 and went on to describe shooting baskets at 5:30 a.m., followed by a training table breakfast, followed by drills, followed by weight room, followed by lunch, followed by shooting drills, followed by team practice, followed by training table dinner, followed by team film, followed by open practice in the gym until 10 p.m. Darren Smith followed up by asking, "Wow, and do you ever have time to sneak in a class?" The player responded with, "Huh?" Seriously. It was ridiculous. That’s fine. But aren’t you just moving the goal posts? You said it never ever happens then bring up 2 instances (one very recently) that happened on our own team. |
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Post by junior on May 24, 2024 10:29:22 GMT -8
Wonder if kids will actually have to go to class to be eligible n play now??? Can always put a "go to class" "get at least 2.8 gpa" clause in their contract...if terms are not met...dismissal from the team/job...the military academies have always operated in this manner...paid their players...and they go to class...so I see a similar structure for 90 percent of players on the roster...of course, the best of them will be poached/transfer...but the majority will not.... They may not get to go to every class session because of their game/travel schedule, but they all get personal tutors who work with them regularly to keep them up to speed - at least at SDSU. This is not necessarily true for Dance/Cheer squad members who also miss some class time due to "University Advancement", travel, and the like. And that's always seemed a bit unfair - at least to me. |
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Post by myownwords on May 24, 2024 10:51:30 GMT -8
I felt that our last chance to break this frustrating "circle"----can't get the major donors because we aren't in the "chosen" Power Conference level, BUT we can't get into the PC's because we don't have the donors----evaporated with the PAC sublimating into the mostly gas, Weakest Two.
With THIS newest vice grip coming from the PC's, I do not see a likely way forward for us.
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Post by zbt69 on May 24, 2024 10:59:37 GMT -8
This is what happens when the University’s and College's allow the TV networks to controll college sports. They will end up creating a product like the failing Pro Spring football league. Most of their stadiums are empty no body really cares about the games. So if most of the University’s are priced out of the competition those alumni won't care about college sports. Fox, ESPN, ABC and CBS will have view ship decline over time. It may take a generation or two but if you have no connection to the product you cares.
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Post by standiego on May 24, 2024 12:38:52 GMT -8
think there has been a divide between the P5 Conferences and G5 and now it just makes it even wider as the money for TV Deals only get bigger
TV Viewers will most likely increase for College Football - especially for the SEC and BIG -
Then there is the expanded playoffs that will continue to get a good amount of Viewers with more money
Yes the G5 will have to rely on Local Viewers for their teams
Will College Football lose out NO - or at least for the top 2 conferences but possibly for the G5
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Post by AzTex on May 24, 2024 12:43:38 GMT -8
No short memory. Of course, I remember Chad. I also remember Evan Burns, who got bounced because he couldn't hack going to class or managing a college course. But those are outliers. And it certainly almost never happens during the season. It also almost never happens to star players. Too much $$$ at stake. I recall an interview with Darren Smith a few years ago with a college player who became an NBA lottery pick. Smith asked the player to describe their typical day. The player said it was basketball 24/7 and went on to describe shooting baskets at 5:30 a.m., followed by a training table breakfast, followed by drills, followed by weight room, followed by lunch, followed by shooting drills, followed by team practice, followed by training table dinner, followed by team film, followed by open practice in the gym until 10 p.m. Darren Smith followed up by asking, "Wow, and do you ever have time to sneak in a class?" The player responded with, "Huh?" Seriously. It was ridiculous. That’s fine. But aren’t you just moving the goal posts? You said it never ever happens then bring up 2 instances (one very recently) that happened on our own team. It's dangerous using words like never, none, always, all, etc. It only takes one exception to make the statement wrong. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on May 24, 2024 12:43:42 GMT -8
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Post by zurac315 on May 24, 2024 12:48:20 GMT -8
I can't see the Ivy League going along with this sort of thing. I wonder what their plans might be? And what about schools like Stanford or Berkeley? I can't really see an academic institution like Stanford paying some players a million dollars a year in order to be competitive. It just isn't in the culture of the school. Many of the professors would be furious as would many of the students.
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Post by zurac315 on May 24, 2024 12:53:09 GMT -8
That’s fine. But aren’t you just moving the goal posts? You said it never ever happens then bring up 2 instances (one very recently) that happened on our own team. It's dangerous using words like never, none, always, all, etc. It only takes one exception to make the statement wrong. Well, AzTex, whenever something like this happens I think of you. Being two Azteckians that go way back what thinkest thou? What are your plans? To wait and see? Maybe that's all we can do. Just wait and see how all this shakes out. Right now things feel pretty dismal to me. |
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Post by pbnative on May 24, 2024 12:57:15 GMT -8
I can't see the Ivy League going along with this sort of thing. I wonder what their plans might be? And what about schools like Stanford or Berkeley? I can't really see an academic institution like Stanford paying some players a million dollars a year in order to be competitive. It just isn't in the culture of the school. Many of the professors would be furious as would many of the students. furious is a mild term when most schools athletics budget are subsidized by the academics side State funding, and student fees. Unless your the Big 10 or SEC, most conferences TV contracts can't even cover the expenses for the major sports, so where would the "Profit" come from to pay players anyway? I guess a school could promise a cut of post season proceeds, but after it is distributed to each school by the conference is only a minor line item toal and postseason are paid out over several years. |
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Post by zbt69 on May 24, 2024 13:19:02 GMT -8
think there has been a divide between the P5 Conferences and G5 and now it just makes it even wider as the money for TV Deals only get bigger TV Viewers will most likely increase for College Football - especially for the SEC and BIG - Then there is the expanded playoffs that will continue to get a good amount of Viewers with more money Yes the G5 will have to rely on Local Viewers for their teams Will College Football lose out NO - or at least for the top 2 conferences but possibly for the G5 I think you are a little over estimating the interest in viewers interested in SEC & Big 10 if the Viewers have no connection with the product. There are fewer and fewer boys going out for football in high-schools add in that there will be more and more University’s dropping football so the connection to the sport will be less. It could also effect the NFL in time as many fans like to fallow players in the NFL that played for their University’s. The unintentional consequences could be many from the greed of a very few. |
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Post by AzTex on May 24, 2024 13:22:53 GMT -8
It's dangerous using words like never, none, always, all, etc. It only takes one exception to make the statement wrong. Well, AzTex, whenever something like this happens I think of you. Being two Azteckians that go way back what thinkest thou? What are your plans? To wait and see? Maybe that's all we can do. Just wait and see how all this shakes out. Right now things feel pretty dismal to me. Since you asked, I'll repeat some of what I've said on the topic in a variety of threads.
I have preferred amateur sports since I was in high school. Watching athletes play for the love of the game and for their love of the team just seemed much more interesting than watching professional players working for a paycheck. Yes the pros were more skilled, but the games lacked the variety that amateur athletes seemed to bring.
The Olympics were something I looked forward to every 4 years. But, now my interest in them has decreased. I can't watch Olympic basketball at all even though it used to be one of my favorite when our college players made up the teams.
I have renewed my football and basketball season tickets for the coming seasons. I truly hope I have the same passion watching Aztec sports that I've had over the last 60+ years. I fear that isn't going to be the case. If I lose some (all?) of the passion I hope I can at least keep enough interest to continue going to the games. It's been getting tougher and tougher for me to make that 2 1/2 hour round trip drive for every game (more when the traffic is heavy or there's and accident on the freeway). The drive may not be worth it to watch some professionals wearing Aztec uniforms play the games.
NIL is not working as intended. It is play-for-pay. The NCAA is just looking the other way. No restriction transfers, coupled with NIL, have killed any pretense of team or school loyalty.
So, yes. I'm going to wait and see. I really want to continue my love affair with Aztec sports. Outside of my family, Aztec sports has been one of the most important things in my life. I will miss it so very much if I lose interest. But, I truly fear that is what is about to happen.
I would prefer to drop down to FCS or even D3 to keep amateur Aztec sports alive. I've said several times here on AM that the days of being in College Division, playing in the CCAA were every big as enjoyable, maybe more, than playing in the current D1.
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Post by William L. Rupp on May 24, 2024 13:25:09 GMT -8
I can't see the Ivy League going along with this sort of thing. I wonder what their plans might be? And what about schools like Stanford or Berkeley? I can't really see an academic institution like Stanford paying some players a million dollars a year in order to be competitive. It just isn't in the culture of the school. Many of the professors would be furious as would many of the students. furious is a mild term when most schools athletics budget are subsidized by the academics side State funding, and student fees. Unless your the Big 10 or SEC, most conferences TV contracts can't even cover the expenses for the major sports, so where would the "Profit" come from to pay players anyway? I guess a school could promise a cut of post season proceeds, but after it is distributed to each school by the conference is only a minor line item toal and postseason are paid out over several years.
WLR
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on May 24, 2024 13:27:44 GMT -8
This reminds me of my young age after college and getting in pharma. We had budgets that were crazy and we could spend money on everything from dinners, gas and dash, speaking engagements, renting out a movie premier, etc. We had these budgets and I would be forced to have all of my reps use their entire budgets or face consequences. I know it sounds crazy but that is how it was many many years ago. The amount of money we spent on doctors would make you think that is why my F'in viagra is so expensive or blood pressure, or whatever. Anyways, it all stopped one day and doctors and staff were pissed. We couldn't do anything with doctors and I mean nothing. We couldn't even drop off pens and paper let alone any other marketing materials. Many of us were happy and glad that we were not doing that any longer. Then doctors and staff got pissed because we couldn't provide lunches or office supplies. They decide to not let us have access. We were no longer able to share updates and new insurance information, etc. You get the point. My point is, the PHARMA Code that prevented us from providing these things to the doctors was not done by the State of CA, or other states, or even the FDA or GOV. The Pharma Companies created this on their own, pushed for it, get lobbyists, etc. The Pharma companies did this to themselves because they were tired of spending so much money and trying to outdo each other for access or insurance coverage, prescriptions, etc. This was all self imposed because the money was out of hand and drying up to an extent. I would hope and expect that to happen here at some point. This will stop when the Universities come together and start putting limits on things. They will impose at the top and let it work across the NCAA. The GOV or Attorneys will not have the power, but the schools themselves will finally do something when the money is no longer available. They will make it sound like it is the right thing to do and best for everything and everyone. At the end, it will all be about the money no longer being there. This is the best way that I can think of what will happen. |
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Post by AzTex on May 24, 2024 13:33:30 GMT -8
This reminds me of my young age after college and getting in pharma. We had budgets that were crazy and we could spend money on everything from dinners, gas and dash, speaking engagements, renting out a movie premier, etc. We had these budgets and I would be forced to have all of my reps use their entire budgets or face consequences. I know it sounds crazy but that is how it was many many years ago. The amount of money we spent on doctors would make you think that is why my F'in viagra is so expensive or blood pressure, or whatever. Anyways, it all stopped one day and doctors and staff were pissed. We couldn't do anything with doctors and I mean nothing. We couldn't even drop off pens and paper let alone any other marketing materials. Many of us were happy and glad that we were not doing that any longer. Then doctors and staff got pissed because we couldn't provide lunches or office supplies. They decide to not let us have access. We were no longer able to share updates and new insurance information, etc. You get the point. My point is, the PHARMA Code that prevented us from providing these things to the doctors was not done by the State of CA, or other states, or even the FDA or GOV. The Pharma Companies created this on their own, pushed for it, get lobbyists, etc. The Pharma companies did this to themselves because they were tired of spending so much money and trying to outdo each other for access or insurance coverage, prescriptions, etc. This was all self imposed because the money was out of hand and drying up to an extent. I would hope and expect that to happen here at some point. This will stop when the Universities come together and start putting limits on things. They will impose at the top and let it work across the NCAA. The GOV or Attorneys will not have the power, but the schools themselves will finally do something when the money is no longer available. They will make it sound like it is the right thing to do and best for everything and everyone. At the end, it will all be about the money no longer being there. This is the best way that I can think of what will happen. Sadly, by the time that would happen college sports, especially football and basketball, may be dead except for the P2 pros. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on May 24, 2024 13:42:45 GMT -8
No short memory. Of course, I remember Chad. I also remember Evan Burns, who got bounced because he couldn't hack going to class or managing a college course. But those are outliers. And it certainly almost never happens during the season. It also almost never happens to star players. Too much $$$ at stake. I recall an interview with Darren Smith a few years ago with a college player who became an NBA lottery pick. Smith asked the player to describe their typical day. The player said it was basketball 24/7 and went on to describe shooting baskets at 5:30 a.m., followed by a training table breakfast, followed by drills, followed by weight room, followed by lunch, followed by shooting drills, followed by team practice, followed by training table dinner, followed by team film, followed by open practice in the gym until 10 p.m. Darren Smith followed up by asking, "Wow, and do you ever have time to sneak in a class?" The player responded with, "Huh?" Seriously. It was ridiculous. That’s fine. But aren’t you just moving the goal posts? You said it never ever happens then bring up 2 instances (one very recently) that happened on our own team. Yeah, guys flunk out or are ruled ineligible all the time all over college sports. Just because he never hears about it doesn't mean it "never" happens. |
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Post by zbt69 on May 24, 2024 14:04:57 GMT -8
This reminds me of my young age after college and getting in pharma. We had budgets that were crazy and we could spend money on everything from dinners, gas and dash, speaking engagements, renting out a movie premier, etc. We had these budgets and I would be forced to have all of my reps use their entire budgets or face consequences. I know it sounds crazy but that is how it was many many years ago. The amount of money we spent on doctors would make you think that is why my F'in viagra is so expensive or blood pressure, or whatever. Anyways, it all stopped one day and doctors and staff were pissed. We couldn't do anything with doctors and I mean nothing. We couldn't even drop off pens and paper let alone any other marketing materials. Many of us were happy and glad that we were not doing that any longer. Then doctors and staff got pissed because we couldn't provide lunches or office supplies. They decide to not let us have access. We were no longer able to share updates and new insurance information, etc. You get the point. My point is, the PHARMA Code that prevented us from providing these things to the doctors was not done by the State of CA, or other states, or even the FDA or GOV. The Pharma Companies created this on their own, pushed for it, get lobbyists, etc. The Pharma companies did this to themselves because they were tired of spending so much money and trying to outdo each other for access or insurance coverage, prescriptions, etc. This was all self imposed because the money was out of hand and drying up to an extent. I would hope and expect that to happen here at some point. This will stop when the Universities come together and start putting limits on things. They will impose at the top and let it work across the NCAA. The GOV or Attorneys will not have the power, but the schools themselves will finally do something when the money is no longer available. They will make it sound like it is the right thing to do and best for everything and everyone. At the end, it will all be about the money no longer being there. This is the best way that I can think of what will happen. Sadly, by the time that would happen college sports, especially football and basketball, may be dead except for the P2 pros. At some point the networks will find that not enough people will care to watch University of Indiana play University of Oregon or Mississippi State University play University of Kentucky, ect. Then a great tradition enjoyed by many all over the country will disappear thanks to greed. |
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Post by zurac315 on May 24, 2024 15:31:51 GMT -8
Well, AzTex, whenever something like this happens I think of you. Being two Azteckians that go way back what thinkest thou? What are your plans? To wait and see? Maybe that's all we can do. Just wait and see how all this shakes out. Right now things feel pretty dismal to me. Since you asked, I'll repeat some of what I've said on the topic in a variety of threads. I have preferred amateur sports since I was in high school. Watching athletes play for the love of the game and for their love of the team just seemed much more interesting than watching professional players working for a paycheck. Yes the pros were more skilled, but the games lacked the variety that amateur athletes seemed to bring. The Olympics were something I looked forward to every 4 years. But, now my interest in them has decreased. I can't watch Olympic basketball at all even though it used to be one of my favorite when our college players made up the teams. I have renewed my football and basketball season tickets for the coming seasons. I truly hope I have the same passion watching Aztec sports that I've had over the last 60+ years. I fear that isn't going to be the case. If I lose some (all?) of the passion I hope I can at least keep enough interest to continue going to the games. It's been getting tougher and tougher for me to make that 2 1/2 hour round trip drive for every game (more when the traffic is heavy or there's and accident on the freeway). The drive may not be worth it to watch some professionals wearing Aztec uniforms play the games. NIL is not working as intended. It is play-for-pay. The NCAA is just looking the other way. No restriction transfers, coupled with NIL, have killed any pretense of team or school loyalty. So, yes. I'm going to wait and see. I really want to continue my love affair with Aztec sports. Outside of my family, Aztec sports has been one of the most important things in my life. I will miss it so very much if I lose interest. But, I truly fear that is what is about to happen. I would prefer to drop down to FCS or even D3 to keep amateur Aztec sports alive. I've said several times here on AM that the days of being in College Division, playing in the CCAA were every big as enjoyable, maybe more, than playing in the current D1.
Maybe a few years hence we'll find ourselves playing North Dakota State for a national title. Again? I guess I could live with that.  |
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Post by Den60 on May 24, 2024 15:59:47 GMT -8
Eventually this will lead to schools leaving the ncaa and form their own league. If that would have happened years ago for football we may have been able to save other collegiate sports. I don't think even the top programs realize that they have killed the Golden Goose. |
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Post by Den60 on May 24, 2024 16:02:31 GMT -8
It will happen if this is completely unrestricted. Why watch AA when you can watch the Show? Hell, when the Chargers said they were moving, they became dead to me. I don't miss them nor the disappointment I felt in following them. Same can be said of collegiate sports because I've always thought of them as different from the pros. I'm sure I can forget them as well. Since the Chargers left I have had so much more time available on the weekend for myself. I am sure I will adapt if college sports destroy their brand ans well. You said exactly what I would have said. I was a life long Charger fan and season ticket holder. Once they left, they were dead to me. I golf on Sundays now instead of watching the Chargers, or really any NFL games until playoff time. What I believe will happen is some sort of legislation that will put restrictions and provide a framework for how NIL is used. Might not be in the next year, but at some point in the next several years, I think it will happen. If not, then yeah, I too will not be invested or interested in "College" athletics. Me too. Started going to Charger games when I was three at Balboa Stadium. As soon as Spanos said they were leaving, I stopped attending or following them. Can't say I miss it. Fortunately, I golf on Fridays so I do a round in just over 4 hours for the most part. But, my Sunday are free for other activities. |
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