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Post by 94sdsu on May 15, 2024 10:19:57 GMT -8
I know the limit is still technically 85, however I was just reading an article about a guy transferring from Colorado to Florida and this quote jumped out at me...
"247Sports Florida expert Jacob Rudner reports that McClain could arrive on campus as a walk-on as the Gators have all 85 scholarships filled. However, UF could use NIL to fund his attendance at the school, making his walk-on status more of a technicality."
So even though Florida has all 85 scholarships full, it can simply use NIL money to pay his tuition. I must admit, I'd never thought of this. I was thinking the B10 and SEC were going to try to adjust the 85 number to over 100, but with this use of NIL funds, they don't even need to bother as this essentially eliminates the maximum number of players a big money school can stockpile.
The Ohio St's, Michigans, Alabamas, U$Cs will soon be carrying 130+ players while leaving minimal players for other P5 schools and essentially none for G5.
NIL sucks and has absolutely ruined college sports.
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Post by jp92grad on May 15, 2024 10:44:09 GMT -8
I know the limit is still technically 85, however I was just reading an article about a guy transferring from Colorado to Florida and this quote jumped out at me... "247Sports Florida expert Jacob Rudner reports that McClain could arrive on campus as a walk-on as the Gators have all 85 scholarships filled. However, UF could use NIL to fund his attendance at the school, making his walk-on status more of a technicality." So even though Florida has all 85 scholarships full, it can simply use NIL money to pay his tuition. I must admit, I'd never thought of this. I was thinking the B10 and SEC were going to try to adjust the 85 number to over 100, but with this use of NIL funds, they don't even need to bother as this essentially eliminates the maximum number of players a big money school can stockpile. The Ohio St's, Michigans, Alabamas, U$Cs will soon be carrying 130+ players while leaving minimal players for other P5 schools and essentially none for G5. NIL sucks and has absolutely ruined college sports. Remember 2 or 3 years ago a group Booster paid for 25-30 walk-ons for BYU, just saying well funded programs are always working around the rules (all it takes is $$$) Where will it stop? At some point they need to figure out a BETTER system then what they have right now. |
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Post by perch on May 15, 2024 11:01:42 GMT -8
I posted an article on this 2 weeks ago. You are right, there are no scolarship limits any more as the schools with money can take an unlimited number of walk ons and pay them wth NIL. This whole NIL stinks. It is not a student getting paid for someone using his likeness but it is just pay for play. And I think the schools with money are openly poaching players. If nothing is done it will completely ruin my interest in college sports. After all the pros are much better regulated than colleges. They sign a player for a certain nimber of years and he is commited for thet time. Now a coillege player can commit and not even stay one semester. Look at McMillan. He enrolled in Jan and left in April, not even 4 months. The NCAA could slow this down by instituting the rule a player must sit out a year before transfering. But can they?? Will they??
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Post by jp92grad on May 15, 2024 11:17:22 GMT -8
Just wait a couple years and the stories start to come out about how these kids wasted all their money and all the agents (handlers) took advantage of these "College Athletes". Most pro leagues have systems and people in place to try and help these athletes make good decisions with and how to invest their money and I have seen basically nothing in place for the majority of todays college athletes (not that most would listen anyways!)
This has really become a shyt show and the the biggest loosers in all this are the fans.
I really find it hard to follow a program knowing that every year there will a serious turn over (players and coaches) unless BIG $$$ are involved.
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Post by tuff on May 15, 2024 12:00:55 GMT -8
Just wait a couple years and the stories start to come out about how these kids wasted all their money and all the agents (handlers) took advantage of these "College Athletes". Most pro leagues have systems and people in place to try and help these athletes make good decisions with and how to invest their money and I have seen basically nothing in place for the majority of todays college athletes (not that most would listen anyways!) This has really become a shyt show and the the biggest loosers in all this are the fans. I really find it hard to follow a program knowing that every year there will a serious turn over (players and coaches) unless BIG $$$ are involved. I cant, and wont, follow college sports if this $#!+ doesnt correct itself. This reminds me a lot of John Mckay and the old USC days when they had 125 plus players on the roll. The Big Eight Conference was call Snow White and the seven dwarfs😅. Everyone today, amateur and pros, are nothing more than whores. |
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Post by AzTex on May 15, 2024 12:26:46 GMT -8
I know the limit is still technically 85, however I was just reading an article about a guy transferring from Colorado to Florida and this quote jumped out at me... "247Sports Florida expert Jacob Rudner reports that McClain could arrive on campus as a walk-on as the Gators have all 85 scholarships filled. However, UF could use NIL to fund his attendance at the school, making his walk-on status more of a technicality." So even though Florida has all 85 scholarships full, it can simply use NIL money to pay his tuition. I must admit, I'd never thought of this. I was thinking the B10 and SEC were going to try to adjust the 85 number to over 100, but with this use of NIL funds, they don't even need to bother as this essentially eliminates the maximum number of players a big money school can stockpile. The Ohio St's, Michigans, Alabamas, U$Cs will soon be carrying 130+ players while leaving minimal players for other P5 schools and essentially none for G5. NIL sucks and has absolutely ruined college sports. Remember 2 or 3 years ago a group Booster paid for 25-30 walk-ons for BYU, just saying well funded programs are always working around the rules (all it takes is $$$) Where will it stop? At some point they need to figure out a BETTER system then what they have right now.Call me crazy, you won't be the first. But I just had a wild and crazy idea. It's really off the charts and I'm sure there's no way it could actually work.
What if college sports were to be played by actual students who would only receive tuition, books, maybe room and board in exchange for their participation. Those students who wanted to be paid could join together and form professional leagues separate from the colleges.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on May 15, 2024 12:35:03 GMT -8
To what end? The NFL operates on 53 roster spots, 46 that can suit up, and 16 additional on the practice squad. And even with the 46 lint, there are a ton of players who don't play on Sundays. It's wasted dollars to pay for walk-ons. I think the market will correct this insane behavior.
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Post by zurac315 on May 15, 2024 12:39:15 GMT -8
My interest in college sports is evaporating like a pond in the desert. Soon it may well be gone.
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Post by docmm on May 15, 2024 13:06:42 GMT -8
It will take a couple years but the big P5 schools will squeeze the G5s out of Bowls and any version of a National Championship in football and then basketball. They'll lower the minimum records to get into a bowl so more of their conference teams can get in. There will be some occasional upstart G5 BB teams that get better than a #9 seed but whoever was good on that team will get bought off the next year.
Not sure how long before school alumni and interested followers fade from frustration to apathy to ignoring the sport in the college world altogether. That will chip away at the viewing audience numbers and the golden goose will be finally strangled.
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Post by AzTex on May 15, 2024 13:38:26 GMT -8
To what end? The NFL operates on 53 roster spots, 46 that can suit up, and 16 additional on the practice squad. And even with the 46 lint, there are a ton of players who don't play on Sundays. It's wasted dollars to pay for walk-ons. I think the market will correct this insane behavior. There was a time, not long ago when you're my age, when there were no roster limits. Teams like Nebraska and Oklahoma were famous for having 140 or so on their rosters. They recruited many of these players to keep them off their opponents' teams. That's why roster limits were finally instituted. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 15, 2024 14:12:18 GMT -8
To what end? The NFL operates on 53 roster spots, 46 that can suit up, and 16 additional on the practice squad. And even with the 46 lint, there are a ton of players who don't play on Sundays. It's wasted dollars to pay for walk-ons. I think the market will correct this insane behavior. There was a time, not long ago when you're my age, when there were no roster limits. Teams like Nebraska and Oklahoma were famous for having 140 or so on their rosters. They recruited many of these players to keep them off their opponents' teams. That's why roster limits were finally instituted.
The idea of keeping those players from helping other teams makes no sense. Any players good enough to be a starter or at worst second string at Iowa State or Western Michigan would not in a million years be content to sit on the bench for four years at Nebraska or Ohio State.
AzWm
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Post by AzTex on May 15, 2024 14:46:12 GMT -8
There was a time, not long ago when you're my age, when there were no roster limits. Teams like Nebraska and Oklahoma were famous for having 140 or so on their rosters. They recruited many of these players to keep them off their opponents' teams. That's why roster limits were finally instituted.
The idea of keeping those players from helping other teams makes no sense. Any players good enough to be a starter or at worst second string at Iowa State or Western Michigan would not in a million years be content to sit on the bench for four years at Nebraska or Ohio State.
AzWm
I can't answer "why." I'm just stating what was happening in the past. Here's a link to an article from a couple of years ago on the history of scholarships and a quote from that article.
"The practice of offering scholarships to players – particularly in football and basketball – simply to keep them from playing for other schools became rampant. Having 150 players on a football team wasn't uncommon through the 1960s."
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 15, 2024 15:10:17 GMT -8
What puzzles me is this: Why would a young man, presumably with reasonable FB potential, want to stay at 4th or 5th string, knowing that he has about zero chance of ever playing? Such players would probably not even get a chance to practice much during the week. For that matter, why would a program want to carry so much dead weight? A fifth stringer still represents costs to the athletic department.
The idea of keeping those players from helping other teams makes no sense. Any players good enough to be a starter or at worst second string at Iowa State or Western Michigan would not in a million years be content to sit on the bench for four years at Nebraska or Ohio State.
AzWm
I can't answer "why." I'm just stating what was happening in the past. Here's a link to an article from a couple of years ago on the history of scholarships and a quote from that article. "The practice of offering scholarships to players – particularly in football and basketball – simply to keep them from playing for other schools became rampant. Having 150 players on a football team wasn't uncommon through the 1960s."
AzWm
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on May 15, 2024 15:12:53 GMT -8
I think this happened during a day and age that social media didn't exist. Players were not getting real time information. It is probably safe to say they were all told they would get a chance to play. Show up and show out. Then realization would set in when you see 120 players and 5-6 dudes in front of you. I don't think the information was readily available as it is now. New era and players want to play "Now" and not wait and earn it. Totally different times compared to when Nebraska was a powerhouse and Osborn was getting away with whatever he wanted.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 15, 2024 15:16:04 GMT -8
What puzzles me is this: Why would a young man, presumably with reasonable FB potential, want to stay at 4th or 5th string, knowing that he has about zero chance of ever playing? Such players would probably not even get a chance to practice much during the week. For that matter, why would a program want to carry so much dead weight? A fifth stringer still represents costs to the athletic department.
The idea of keeping those players from helping other teams makes no sense. Any players good enough to be a starter or at worst second string at Iowa State or Western Michigan would not in a million years be content to sit on the bench for four years at Nebraska or Ohio State.
AzWm
I can't answer "why." I'm just stating what was happening in the past. Here's a link to an article from a couple of years ago on the history of scholarships and a quote from that article. "The practice of offering scholarships to players – particularly in football and basketball – simply to keep them from playing for other schools became rampant. Having 150 players on a football team wasn't uncommon through the 1960s."
If you offer them scholarships then title IX comes into play. With NIl/Boosters paying for tuition you you are free of title IX The settlement coming down will lead to employer status and collective bargaining. It’s the only way to reign all these court cases in and gain certainty |
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Post by aztecfred on May 15, 2024 15:35:56 GMT -8
I know the limit is still technically 85, however I was just reading an article about a guy transferring from Colorado to Florida and this quote jumped out at me... "247Sports Florida expert Jacob Rudner reports that McClain could arrive on campus as a walk-on as the Gators have all 85 scholarships filled. However, UF could use NIL to fund his attendance at the school, making his walk-on status more of a technicality." So even though Florida has all 85 scholarships full, it can simply use NIL money to pay his tuition. I must admit, I'd never thought of this. I was thinking the B10 and SEC were going to try to adjust the 85 number to over 100, but with this use of NIL funds, they don't even need to bother as this essentially eliminates the maximum number of players a big money school can stockpile. The Ohio St's, Michigans, Alabamas, U$Cs will soon be carrying 130+ players while leaving minimal players for other P5 schools and essentially none for G5. NIL sucks and has absolutely ruined college sports. I mentioned paying walkons and former players with NIL money in a BB post about coach Calipari using only 8 -9 players last week? NIL means no rules or all new rules. Paying walkons is just another progression in the insanity, because it's all about the money now. |
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Post by aztecking on May 15, 2024 19:22:14 GMT -8
I know the limit is still technically 85, however I was just reading an article about a guy transferring from Colorado to Florida and this quote jumped out at me... "247Sports Florida expert Jacob Rudner reports that McClain could arrive on campus as a walk-on as the Gators have all 85 scholarships filled. However, UF could use NIL to fund his attendance at the school, making his walk-on status more of a technicality." So even though Florida has all 85 scholarships full, it can simply use NIL money to pay his tuition. I must admit, I'd never thought of this. I was thinking the B10 and SEC were going to try to adjust the 85 number to over 100, but with this use of NIL funds, they don't even need to bother as this essentially eliminates the maximum number of players a big money school can stockpile. The Ohio St's, Michigans, Alabamas, U$Cs will soon be carrying 130+ players while leaving minimal players for other P5 schools and essentially none for G5. NIL sucks and has absolutely ruined college sports. I highly doubt they are gonna find D1 quality players willing to spend 4 years sitting on the bench never getting a shot cause Ohio St paid them to do so. Top athletes just aren’t built like that. They will go somewhere they can play and work their way up if they need to. |
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Post by sdcoug on May 16, 2024 7:40:04 GMT -8
I know the limit is still technically 85, however I was just reading an article about a guy transferring from Colorado to Florida and this quote jumped out at me... "247Sports Florida expert Jacob Rudner reports that McClain could arrive on campus as a walk-on as the Gators have all 85 scholarships filled. However, UF could use NIL to fund his attendance at the school, making his walk-on status more of a technicality." So even though Florida has all 85 scholarships full, it can simply use NIL money to pay his tuition. I must admit, I'd never thought of this. I was thinking the B10 and SEC were going to try to adjust the 85 number to over 100, but with this use of NIL funds, they don't even need to bother as this essentially eliminates the maximum number of players a big money school can stockpile. The Ohio St's, Michigans, Alabamas, U$Cs will soon be carrying 130+ players while leaving minimal players for other P5 schools and essentially none for G5. NIL sucks and has absolutely ruined college sports. I highly doubt they are gonna find D1 quality players willing to spend 4 years sitting on the bench never getting a shot cause Ohio St paid them to do so. Top athletes just aren’t built like that. They will go somewhere they can play and work their way up if they need to. Agreed. Players aren't wired to sit 5 years, at least good ones. Plus, only 70 can play in a game. Could see them walking on at a Bama, Georgia, Clemson, etc. for a year if getting NIL, just for the comp and coaching. But if not on schollie in year 2 with a path to top 70 they'll jump. |
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