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Post by aztecpaulg on Apr 30, 2024 16:40:58 GMT -8
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Post by aztecfred on Jun 19, 2024 15:42:28 GMT -8
In ESPN article about teams helping themselves in the portal- Kentucky Wildcats: Mark Pope was another new coach with zero returning players. The likes of D.J. Wagner and Aaron Bradshaw leaving after just one season hurts, but the Wildcats landed seven transfers ranked inside the top 100. Most intriguing will be the amount of size and shooting this team has on the wings and up front: Jaxson Robinson (BYU), Koby Brea (Dayton), Otega Oweh (Oklahoma), Andrew Carr (Wake Forest), Kerr Kriisa (West Virginia) and Ansley Almonor (Fairleigh Dickinson) can all really shoot. - Not word about Butler??
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Post by laaztec on Jun 19, 2024 16:11:58 GMT -8
Wildcat for life. Sure anyone can leave but we don’t have to like it.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Jun 19, 2024 16:44:48 GMT -8
As long as the check clears - what does he care!
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Post by docmm on Jun 19, 2024 19:34:53 GMT -8
The first couple years all the fan bases get butt-hurt about "their" guys leaving. A couple years from now no one will be as upset because we'll all have gotten accustomed to the new world order. The MWC will be back to being a 1-bid league or 2 at the most and G5 schools will become revolving doors for the P-5 schools and their bags of NIL$.
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Post by aztecpaulg on Jun 20, 2024 8:53:51 GMT -8
The first couple years all the fan bases get butt-hurt about "their" guys leaving. A couple years from now no one will be as upset because we'll all have gotten accustomed to the new world order. The MWC will be back to being a 1-bid league or 2 at the most and G5 schools will become revolving doors for the P-5 schools and their bags of NIL$. That's certainly the aim of college sports, but power schools have been trying for decades to dominate off the field so they don't have to compete on it. They haven't succeeded yet in ensuring those outside their circle cannot thrive. There will be adaptations for sure, but there will still be a middle class. As long as State can keep its low-middle class place in the pecking order, they'll be just fine. |
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Post by zurac315 on Jun 20, 2024 11:07:53 GMT -8
The first couple years all the fan bases get butt-hurt about "their" guys leaving. A couple years from now no one will be as upset because we'll all have gotten accustomed to the new world order. The MWC will be back to being a 1-bid league or 2 at the most and G5 schools will become revolving doors for the P-5 schools and their bags of NIL$. And it's likely that some of us won't care about college sports anymore. |
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Post by azdick on Jun 20, 2024 14:57:29 GMT -8
I’m already on the wane. Years ago I pledged all of my financial support to SDSU. I haven’t paid to watch a professional sports event for nearly 30 years. NIL has brought to the table the same kind of issues for me that pro sports had long ago. I will continue to support my Aztecs as long as I have positive feelings for the players. I fear, however, that there may be a threshold beyond which I won’t be able to enjoy watching the kids anymore because it will have become a be paid to play world. It didn’t need to come to this, but why didn’t anyone listen when Ed O’Bannon was talking?
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Post by azson on Jun 20, 2024 15:34:02 GMT -8
I’m already on the wane. Years ago I pledged all of my financial support to SDSU. I haven’t paid to watch a professional sports event for nearly 30 years. NIL has brought to the table the same kind of issues for me that pro sports had long ago. I will continue to support my Aztecs as long as I have positive feelings for the players. I fear, however, that there may be a threshold beyond which I won’t be able to enjoy watching the kids anymore because it will have become a be paid to play world. It didn’t need to come to this, but why didn’t anyone listen when Ed O’Bannon was talking? The attorneys and EA listened...the NCAA not so much... www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2024/ed-obannon-ncaa-antitrust-settlement-1234782098/ |
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Post by AzTex on Jun 20, 2024 16:20:39 GMT -8
I’m already on the wane. Years ago I pledged all of my financial support to SDSU. I haven’t paid to watch a professional sports event for nearly 30 years. NIL has brought to the table the same kind of issues for me that pro sports had long ago. I will continue to support my Aztecs as long as I have positive feelings for the players. I fear, however, that there may be a threshold beyond which I won’t be able to enjoy watching the kids anymore because it will have become a be paid to play world. It didn’t need to come to this, but why didn’t anyone listen when Ed O’Bannon was talking? As much as I'm fighting it I'm afraid the same thing is happening to me. Have you noticed that it seems many of the most positive posters and most supportive fans here on AztecMesa are the ones expressing the same concerns? |
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Post by sleepy on Jun 21, 2024 7:04:16 GMT -8
A couple of anecdotes from my formative years to illustrate where this 50-something is coming from...
1) I grew up in the L.A. Coliseum on Saturdays. There was a RB (I want to say his name was Lonnie White) who sat on the bench for 4 seasons. During the last game of his senior year, SC was routing UCLA and John Robinson sends White in. He runs 65 yards for a TD on his first carry in the 4th quarter. He gets a big write-up in the Times the next day as the model of what the program is all about.
2) On the week of the Stanford game when I was about 12, there was a write-up of Stanford's "Vow Boys" -- a group of high school Cardinal recruits in the 50s or 60s that, upon entering The Farm for their freshman year, vowed never to lose to USC. They didn't. They went 4-0 -- and became legends in Palo Alto.
I'm not sure either of those two scenarios is possible anymore -- I'm not sure today's average high school athlete with designs on college sports would even recognize the concept I just wrote of above -- but those are the kinds of things we were brought up to idolize. Over the years, I shifted a little bit because I could understand the need to transfer (once!), and I could understand limited pay so that a college kid would be able to "afford to buy a pizza on the weekend". But what's going on now with the "rent a kid" who may be gone in 7 months and the unlimited free agency concept is not something I anticipate ever heavily investing emotionally in. And sports consumption is all about emotion. For the next 8 years or so, I'm fine because I'll be able to invest some of that emotional capital in my sports-playing kid. But I sure hope college sports has got this sorted by the time my kid walks the graduation stage because consumption of college sports was to be a big chunk of my retirement fun.
But I suppose I can take up fly-fishing for those fall Saturdays...
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Post by LostAztec on Jun 21, 2024 7:49:57 GMT -8
I view Lamont as a Grad Transfer. He did his four years and graduated. Transferred to continue his post-grad work and got a check. Congratulations and good luck young feller.
Basically, College Athletes are on short term contracts at their will. I initially wanted to say, one year contract, but loads of these pros leave before, during, and after Spring Camp.
If a P4 squad has injuries or lack of depth at a position, they simply go shopping. Before you know it these prima donnas will be allowed to transfer mid-season so that CFP contenders can load up before the playoffs.
This crap has completely gone off the rails. The inmates now run the asylum.
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Post by AzTex on Jun 21, 2024 8:55:54 GMT -8
A couple of anecdotes from my formative years to illustrate where this 50-something is coming from... 1) I grew up in the L.A. Coliseum on Saturdays. There was a RB (I want to say his name was Lonnie White) who sat on the bench for 4 seasons. During the last game of his senior year, SC was routing UCLA and John Robinson sends White in. He runs 65 yards for a TD on his first carry in the 4th quarter. He gets a big write-up in the Times the next day as the model of what the program is all about. 2) On the week of the Stanford game when I was about 12, there was a write-up of Stanford's "Vow Boys" -- a group of high school Cardinal recruits in the 50s or 60s that, upon entering The Farm for their freshman year, vowed never to lose to USC. They didn't. They went 4-0 -- and became legends in Palo Alto. I'm not sure either of those two scenarios is possible anymore -- I'm not sure today's average high school athlete with designs on college sports would even recognize the concept I just wrote of above -- but those are the kinds of things we were brought up to idolize. Over the years, I shifted a little bit because I could understand the need to transfer (once!), and I could understand limited pay so that a college kid would be able to "afford to buy a pizza on the weekend". But what's going on now with the "rent a kid" who may be gone in 7 months and the unlimited free agency concept is not something I anticipate ever heavily investing emotionally in. And sports consumption is all about emotion. For the next 8 years or so, I'm fine because I'll be able to invest some of that emotional capital in my sports-playing kid. But I sure hope college sports has got this sorted by the time my kid walks the graduation stage because consumption of college sports was to be a big chunk of my retirement fun. But I suppose I can take up fly-fishing for those fall Saturdays... Beautifully said. I agree with it all.  |
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Post by aztech on Jun 21, 2024 9:07:03 GMT -8
I’m already on the wane. Years ago I pledged all of my financial support to SDSU. I haven’t paid to watch a professional sports event for nearly 30 years. NIL has brought to the table the same kind of issues for me that pro sports had long ago. I will continue to support my Aztecs as long as I have positive feelings for the players. I fear, however, that there may be a threshold beyond which I won’t be able to enjoy watching the kids anymore because it will have become a be paid to play world. It didn’t need to come to this, but why didn’t anyone listen when Ed O’Bannon was talking? As much as I'm fighting it I'm afraid the same thing is happening to me. Have you noticed that it seems many of the most positive posters and most supportive fans here on AztecMesa are the ones expressing the same concerns? IMO they'll keep overreaching until the politicians get hounded to put a stop to their destruction. The presidents of the universities that are getting screwed could get their attention if they explain it to their student bodies and alumni. They outnumber the bluebloods that are taking advantage of what's happening. |
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Post by AzTex on Jun 21, 2024 9:26:47 GMT -8
As much as I'm fighting it I'm afraid the same thing is happening to me. Have you noticed that it seems many of the most positive posters and most supportive fans here on AztecMesa are the ones expressing the same concerns? IMO they'll keep overreaching until the politicians get hounded to put a stop to their destruction. The presidents of the universities that are getting screwed could get their attention if they explain it to their student bodies and alumni. They outnumber the bluebloods that are taking advantage of what's happening. Maybe. But before that can happen there may be too much of a loss of interest in the college product. Attendance is already down because of the number of games on TV and the convenience of watching on the big screen, high def, TV at home. |
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Post by aztech on Jun 21, 2024 9:41:43 GMT -8
IMO they'll keep overreaching until the politicians get hounded to put a stop to their destruction. The presidents of the universities that are getting screwed could get their attention if they explain it to their student bodies and alumni. They outnumber the bluebloods that are taking advantage of what's happening. Maybe. But before that can happen there may be too much of a loss of interest in the college product. Attendance is already down because of the number of games on TV and the convenience of watching on the big screen, high def, TV at home. I dunno. It may come down to the point of not caring whether they're on the tube or not. Watching FCS level FB doesn't excite me at all. |
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Post by AzTex on Jun 21, 2024 10:24:14 GMT -8
Maybe. But before that can happen there may be too much of a loss of interest in the college product. Attendance is already down because of the number of games on TV and the convenience of watching on the big screen, high def, TV at home. I dunno. It may come down to the point of not caring whether they're on the tube or not. Watching FCS level FB doesn't excite me at all. For years now I've only been interested in watching Aztec football and basketball. I do watch the football playoffs and the final four even if the Aztecs aren't playing. But, that's just because of the "event" nature of it. But if I lose interest in watching the Aztecs live because of the NIL professional college athlete future, then I won't be watching any of their games on TV either.
There might not be enough people like me to reverse the direction college sports is moving. I know I'll miss it if I do lose interest because of the professional college athletes.
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Post by azdick on Jun 21, 2024 10:42:03 GMT -8
I dunno. It may come down to the point of not caring whether they're on the tube or not. Watching FCS level FB doesn't excite me at all. For years now I've only been interested in watching Aztec football and basketball. I do watch the football playoffs and the final four even if the Aztecs aren't playing. But, that's just because of the "event" nature of it. But if I lose interest in watching the Aztecs live because of the NIL professional college athlete future, then I won't be watching any of their games on TV either.
There might not be enough people like me to reverse the direction college sports is moving. I know I'll miss it if I do lose interest because of the professional college athletes.
You are addressing a key point in the whole discussion about interest in college sports, and it is overlooked be the power conferences and the networks media. Interest in college events was already on the decline. Being a fan and watching on tv or streaming was already a regional focus, not national. Other than a few blue bloods does anyone really tune in to watch those games. I don’t. Like you, my interest is in the Aztecs and the teams they play. Reducing the interest to only a few power conference teams, vis a vis NIL driven pay to play, will ultimately lead to LESS interest and viewership. Shame on the NCAA, the networks and the power conference administrators for letting it come to this. |
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