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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 30, 2024 15:42:36 GMT -8
From the Albuquerque Journal taking about Toppin leaving. "Though NIL funding is not public, the Journal has confirmed the men's basketball program will have in excess of $1.5 million to pay players in the 2024-25 season." How is it possible that they have that much more than us? I know Lobo BB is the only real sports team in the state but still..... i guessing our overhead is higher than theirs. for every million we have for players, it probably costs a million to keep the Mesa Foundation up and running. If butler was making 200k last year, we must have been close to a million |
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Post by dirtball on Apr 30, 2024 15:48:37 GMT -8
NIL is a fraud, and don't act like SDSU doesn't love it. They have somehow convinced fans to pay for their players when they could have done something like offering a more favorable lease deal to the MLS team with the understanding that they sponsor a NIL deal for their sports teams. SDSU hasn't been able to get one of its corporate sponsors to create a NIL sponsorship because the school itself doesn't want to miss out on those dollars. Actually, this would be an NCAA violation and one easily proven. As Would giving favorable lease deals on the stadium you own to a tenant who then donates to your collective . if you want to cheat. At least cheat smarter. Fact is, if you have a quality program you won’t be able to keep your role players from being cherry picked. It’s not a good investment. Small donations are fine, but to keep or land a front line player you need big money corporations or private donors, hello John moores and JMI,. Then you fill in with high schoolers and journeyman transfers like Parrish Memphis literally announced a partnership with Fedex strictly for NIL. Get with the times. |
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Post by survalli on Apr 30, 2024 15:53:37 GMT -8
i guessing our overhead is higher than theirs. for every million we have for players, it probably costs a million to keep the Mesa Foundation up and running. If butler was making 200k last year, we must have been close to a million what is more intriguing to me is that the Mesa Foundation just hired someone. adding employees while our team loses 3 presumed Starters to the portal is NOT a good look. |
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Post by partytecs on Apr 30, 2024 16:05:00 GMT -8
You need someone to go out and get those SD Corporate $$$$
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 30, 2024 19:25:35 GMT -8
Actually, this would be an NCAA violation and one easily proven. As Would giving favorable lease deals on the stadium you own to a tenant who then donates to your collective . if you want to cheat. At least cheat smarter. Fact is, if you have a quality program you won’t be able to keep your role players from being cherry picked. It’s not a good investment. Small donations are fine, but to keep or land a front line player you need big money corporations or private donors, hello John moores and JMI,. Then you fill in with high schoolers and journeyman transfers like Parrish Memphis literally announced a partnership with Fedex strictly for NIL. Get with the times. No $#!+ Sherlock, that Proves that g5 schools can succeed in the NIL era. The NIL money can’t come from the school and therefore media rights deals are irrelevant for NIL. There is nothing stopping Qualcomm from partnering with the respective Aztec collectives or players individually, FedEx has already shown it can be done. Any little school with little to no media contract can buy players if they have the boosters willing to pay. Is that clear enough for you |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 30, 2024 19:28:48 GMT -8
If butler was making 200k last year, we must have been close to a million what is more intriguing to me is that the Mesa Foundation just hired someone. adding employees while our team loses 3 presumed Starters to the portal is NOT a good look. What is the ratio of dollars donated to Mesa vs dollars given to players? |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 30, 2024 19:44:14 GMT -8
Memphis literally announced a partnership with Fedex strictly for NIL. Get with the times. No $#!+ Sherlock, that Proves that g5 schools can succeed in the NIL era. The NIL money can’t come from the school and therefore media rights deals are irrelevant for NIL. There is nothing stopping Qualcomm from partnering with the respective Aztec collectives or players individually, FedEx has already shown it can be done. Any little school with little to no media contract can buy players if they have the boosters willing to pay. Is that clear enough for you You are really naive if you think the school played no role in facilitating this. They probably also gave FedEx some tangible benefits for it too. It’s the Wild West, NCAA keeps losing cases, they have no power to enforce anything against programs. |
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Post by dirtball on Apr 30, 2024 20:04:44 GMT -8
Memphis literally announced a partnership with Fedex strictly for NIL. Get with the times. No $#!+ Sherlock, that Proves that g5 schools can succeed in the NIL era. The NIL money can’t come from the school and therefore media rights deals are irrelevant for NIL. There is nothing stopping Qualcomm from partnering with the respective Aztec collectives or players individually, FedEx has already shown it can be done. Any little school with little to no media contract can buy players if they have the boosters willing to pay. Is that clear enough for you NM. You don't get it. But I had too much $#!+ talking in the post. I have deleted and will move on. |
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Post by dirtball on Apr 30, 2024 21:22:42 GMT -8
No $#!+ Sherlock, that Proves that g5 schools can succeed in the NIL era. The NIL money can’t come from the school and therefore media rights deals are irrelevant for NIL. There is nothing stopping Qualcomm from partnering with the respective Aztec collectives or players individually, FedEx has already shown it can be done. Any little school with little to no media contract can buy players if they have the boosters willing to pay. Is that clear enough for you You are really naive if you think the school played no role in facilitating this. They probably also gave FedEx some tangible benefits for it too. It’s the Wild West, NCAA keeps losing cases, they have no power to enforce anything against programs. Said much better than I did. Glad I edited my post. |
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Post by aztecterrier on Apr 30, 2024 21:27:17 GMT -8
I would be much more likely to buy FC San Diego season tickets if Mohamed Mansour was a major contributor to the Mesa Foundation...
Just sayin'.
Go Aztecs
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 1, 2024 6:18:51 GMT -8
No $#!+ Sherlock, that Proves that g5 schools can succeed in the NIL era. The NIL money can’t come from the school and therefore media rights deals are irrelevant for NIL. There is nothing stopping Qualcomm from partnering with the respective Aztec collectives or players individually, FedEx has already shown it can be done. Any little school with little to no media contract can buy players if they have the boosters willing to pay. Is that clear enough for you You are really naive if you think the school played no role in facilitating this. They probably also gave FedEx some tangible benefits for it too. It’s the Wild West, NCAA keeps losing cases, they have no power to enforce anything against programs. I never said they never played a role, you need to learn to read. I said if you cheat you need to cheat smart. Giving discount rent on a stadium is exchange for NIL donation is not smart. I have been consistent, there is nothing stopping any school, G5, or P4 from having boosters buy players. Is that clear enough for you to understand?!?? Or do I need to say that another 15 times |
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Post by chris92065 on May 1, 2024 6:26:06 GMT -8
I can create an account on “only fans”
I am sure a lot of people would pay money to watch an old fat guy dance on a pole.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 1, 2024 6:30:26 GMT -8
No $#!+ Sherlock, that Proves that g5 schools can succeed in the NIL era. The NIL money can’t come from the school and therefore media rights deals are irrelevant for NIL. There is nothing stopping Qualcomm from partnering with the respective Aztec collectives or players individually, FedEx has already shown it can be done. Any little school with little to no media contract can buy players if they have the boosters willing to pay. Is that clear enough for you NM. You don't get it. But I had too much $#!+ talking in the post. I have deleted and will move on. You guys are special, aren’t you! Of course the schools facilitate or direct donations that used to be directly to the school to NIL now. But that can only work in certain circumstances, since NIL can’t come from the school, the school can’t give stadium signage or discounted rent in exchange for the donation. If the corporation Is looking for the pub of stadium signage they may not want to make that nil donation, On the positive, since NiL can’t come from the school then the sec/ B1G media deals have no bearing, this is all about boosters. It does level the playing field and allow small conference schools to buy teams of they have the booster backing. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on May 1, 2024 6:53:38 GMT -8
NM. You don't get it. But I had too much $#!+ talking in the post. I have deleted and will move on. You guys are special, aren’t you! Of course the schools facilitate or direct donations that used to be directly to the school to NIL now. But that can only work in certain circumstances, since NIL can’t come from the school, the school can’t give stadium signage or discounted rent in exchange for the donation. If the corporation Is looking for the pub of stadium signage they may not want to make that nil donation, On the positive, since NiL can’t come from the school then the sec/ B1G media deals have no bearing, this is all about boosters. It does level the playing field and allow small conference schools to buy teams of they have the booster backing. This discussion is interesting because it’s hitting on two points. First, it’s literally true that because NIL is not coming from the schools, the media contracts and conference affiliations are irrelevant, but ignoring the decades of impact those affiliations and exposure have had on building a fanbase is foolish. It reminds me of the MLB Draft reform when they added a draft pool allotment for each team. The notion was that it would prevent big market teams from getting in kids’ ears, suggesting they tell everyone they’re definitely not going to sign with a club and want to go to university, only to scoop them up in the late rounds and pay a huge bonus. Makes sense, but the counterintuitive reality is that it was small market teams who were taking advantage of this, not the big market teams. Similarly, NIL does create a true “free market,” but the result is going to be much more intuitive. The historical have’s will outspend the have-nots. Second, “true NIL” is a no-brainer. Of course kids should be able to profit off their individual brand. These collectives are the equivalent of passing costs on to the consumer. The university profits massively from the popularity of their talented athletes (almost exclusively football and men’s basketball, but there are other more niche examples), so it makes sense that the athletes get compensated. The NCAA and decades of fans burying their heads in the sand let the problem fester and get solved through other means. Now, as was pointed out, the university is basically asking the fans to pay the players—essentially growing the pie instead of sharing their portion. It isn’t any individual university to blame, but it’s accurate to say SDSU is at odds with its donors and fans when it comes to corporate sponsorships. For reasons outlined above, I’m not inclined to spend more money to buy services of players who, understandably, are going to go where they can profit the most. We all did that to some extent, balancing the cost/benefit of an education at SDSU, weighing future prospects, but these guys are swashbuckling around the NCAA year to year and don’t need to give a $#!+ about the community. Sad state of affairs. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 1, 2024 8:21:31 GMT -8
You guys are special, aren’t you! Of course the schools facilitate or direct donations that used to be directly to the school to NIL now. But that can only work in certain circumstances, since NIL can’t come from the school, the school can’t give stadium signage or discounted rent in exchange for the donation. If the corporation Is looking for the pub of stadium signage they may not want to make that nil donation, On the positive, since NiL can’t come from the school then the sec/ B1G media deals have no bearing, this is all about boosters. It does level the playing field and allow small conference schools to buy teams of they have the booster backing. This discussion is interesting because it’s hitting on two points. First, it’s literally true that because NIL is not coming from the schools, the media contracts and conference affiliations are irrelevant, but ignoring the decades of impact those affiliations and exposure have had on building a fanbase is foolish. It reminds me of the MLB Draft reform when they added a draft pool allotment for each team. The notion was that it would prevent big market teams from getting in kids’ ears, suggesting they tell everyone they’re definitely not going to sign with a club and want to go to university, only to scoop them up in the late rounds and pay a huge bonus. Makes sense, but the counterintuitive reality is that it was small market teams who were taking advantage of this, not the big market teams. Similarly, NIL does create a true “free market,” but the result is going to be much more intuitive. The historical have’s will outspend the have-nots. Second, “true NIL” is a no-brainer. Of course kids should be able to profit off their individual brand. These collectives are the equivalent of passing costs on to the consumer. The university profits massively from the popularity of their talented athletes (almost exclusively football and men’s basketball, but there are other more niche examples), so it makes sense that the athletes get compensated. The NCAA and decades of fans burying their heads in the sand let the problem fester and get solved through other means. Now, as was pointed out, the university is basically asking the fans to pay the players—essentially growing the pie instead of sharing their portion. It isn’t any individual university to blame, but it’s accurate to say SDSU is at odds with its donors and fans when it comes to corporate sponsorships. For reasons outlined above, I’m not inclined to spend more money to buy services of players who, understandably, are going to go where they can profit the most. We all did that to some extent, balancing the cost/benefit of an education at SDSU, weighing future prospects, but these guys are swashbuckling around the NCAA year to year and don’t need to give a $#!+ about the community. Sad state of affairs. All great points and the final chapters are far from written as there is still pending litigation on various issues. The p5 teams are losing players as well, just look at Duke and Arkansas, they may have more NIL $, but roster turnover kills continuity. It would be actually better for the P4 if they could pay players or profit share their media rights. This would allow schools to pay directly to students, donors get tax deduction and students get money. Of course, since they have more media money than G5 they can pay more to the students and thus buy better athletes. This would greatly tilt the playing field back to the B1G/SEC and kill G5 |
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Post by dirtball on May 1, 2024 8:35:41 GMT -8
NM. You don't get it. But I had too much $#!+ talking in the post. I have deleted and will move on. You guys are special, aren’t you! Of course the schools facilitate or direct donations that used to be directly to the school to NIL now. But that can only work in certain circumstances, since NIL can’t come from the school, the school can’t give stadium signage or discounted rent in exchange for the donation. If the corporation Is looking for the pub of stadium signage they may not want to make that nil donation, On the positive, since NiL can’t come from the school then the sec/ B1G media deals have no bearing, this is all about boosters. It does level the playing field and allow small conference schools to buy teams of they have the booster backing. You are underestimating the schools' involvement in NIL space. Texas and Texas A&M literally give kickbacks to boosters who put into the collective under the guise of "priority points." All the schools are playing the game, and finding ways around the restrictions of NIL. SDSU has not been willing to play the game. |
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Post by montezumaduck on May 2, 2024 0:35:31 GMT -8
From the Albuquerque Journal taking about Toppin leaving. "Though NIL funding is not public, the Journal has confirmed the men's basketball program will have in excess of $1.5 million to pay players in the 2024-25 season." How is it possible that they have that much more than us? I know Lobo BB is the only real sports team in the state but still..... The MESA budget for this year was over $1m and the projected for next year is $1.5m. We have very similar numbers. Problem is we need significantly more to compete. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on May 2, 2024 7:33:56 GMT -8
The faster we get to student athletes being an employee with a contract for length of employment with a salary cap that’s determined at the conference level the better.
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Post by AzTex on May 2, 2024 8:38:54 GMT -8
The faster we get to student athletes being an employee with a contract for length of employment with a salary cap that’s determined at the conference level the better. The faster we get to student athletes being actual student athletes and not professionals again the better, IMO. I seriously doubt that'll ever happen. The only chance I see would be for the power schools to break away and take the big bulk of TV and money away leaving the rest of us at the FCS or D3 level. Right now I'd welcome that. |
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Post by Den60 on May 2, 2024 8:41:06 GMT -8
No $#!+ Sherlock, that Proves that g5 schools can succeed in the NIL era. The NIL money can’t come from the school and therefore media rights deals are irrelevant for NIL. There is nothing stopping Qualcomm from partnering with the respective Aztec collectives or players individually, FedEx has already shown it can be done. Any little school with little to no media contract can buy players if they have the boosters willing to pay. Is that clear enough for you You are really naive if you think the school played no role in facilitating this. They probably also gave FedEx some tangible benefits for it too. It’s the Wild West, NCAA keeps losing cases, they have no power to enforce anything against programs. Anyone who follows CBB knows that FEDEX conitributed bigly to Memphis' NIL. So they got the publicity for it already. 0 |
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