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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 30, 2024 7:55:30 GMT -8
This is a stupid thread. Even before NIL it was extremely common for players to transfer out for their 5th year.
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Post by docmm on Apr 30, 2024 8:01:59 GMT -8
It actually all started in 2015 when UCLA's Ed O'Bannon sued the NCAA to get paid. And this is where it landed. Had the NCAA did their job, some sort of $ system that was organized and more fair could have happened. But they're been completely unnecessary, impotent and incompetent for decades so that wasn't about to happen.
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Apr 30, 2024 8:06:27 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. No one would be complaining about the offense from last year if Butler and Parrish had shot 40% from three last season. Everything opens up and the flow is much better when they and Waters hit shots at a decent level. Hence the dominant victory at Gonzaga last year. That offense plays if you make shots at a reasonable rate. Just like how Illinois offense didn’t play against UCONN when they couldn’t make a shot and got wiped in the NCAA tournament. Illinois had one of the best offenses all year but when you don’t hit shots the flow is not there. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 30, 2024 8:09:14 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. No one would be complaining about the offense from last year if Butler and Parrish had shot 40% from three last season. Everything opens up and the flow is much better when they and Waters hit shots at a decent level. Hence the dominant victory at Gonzaga last year. That offense plays if you make shots at a reasonable rate. Just like how Illinois offense didn’t play against UCONN when they couldn’t make a shot and got wiped in the NCAA tournament. Illinois had one of the best offenses all year but when you don’t hit shots the flow is not there. Yes, good points. If those players could hit the broad side of a barn our offense would be looking MUCH better. More on the players than than the system, it seems. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 30, 2024 8:19:52 GMT -8
It actually all started in 2015 when UCLA's Ed O'Bannon sued the NCAA to get paid. And this is where it landed. Had the NCAA did their job, some sort of $ system that was organized and more fair could have happened. But they're been completely unnecessary, impotent and incompetent for decades so that wasn't about to happen. Often times, by my observation, even when an organization recognizes the cliff, interest groups will decide to drive if off of the cliff, because there near-term gains or benefits to be made. Welcome to organizational decision making, much clouded by "politics".  |
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Post by ervaztec on Apr 30, 2024 8:27:26 GMT -8
Keshad transferring last year set the table for this season’s exodus. The players saw that he got paid to leave and figured they were underpaid at SDSU especially coming of a national championship game appearance. They felt under appreciated. We got a peek behind the curtain and got to see what some players are really thinking with Micah Parrish’s since deleted tweet saying in so many words that fans need to stop criticizing players on social media and need to pay more money to The Mesa foundation so they can pay the players more. Parish, Butler and Saunders also saw how easy it was for Keshad to leave with all the fans saying “thank you” , you are an “Aztec for Life “ and you’re always welcome in San Diego. Heck they can have their cake and eat it too. They can leave SDSU and have nobody mad at them and walk back in to campus like nothing happened. I understood when players in the past transferred for more playing time or to be near sick Family members but make no mistake the transfers of Keshad, Parish, Saunders and Butler are purely for money. If they would just own it instead of making lame excuses like a better chance at the NBA it would make their decisions more palatable. This is so true. How are players leaving for more money not like a wife who drives a 10 year old mini van leaving her husband for a man who will let her drive a new "G" wagon? You guys broing these players down after they walk on you is pathetic. You don't have to hate them. They are just gone...zero. They are dead to me. Think back, what would Aztec history be if we always had NIL and the transfer portal? Would any of our legends have stayed? NO! MF would have bounced to Miami or LSU after his freshman year and WON the Heisman. Would Ryan Lindley have stayed after passing for 6k+/- yards in his first 2 years and winning only 5 games? probably not. I don't blame them but it's clear that the system is eating it's self and will not last. NCAA D1 sports will go the way of the Olympics. It was great seeing "The Dream Team" ONCE! after that no one wants to see pro basketball played at a lower level than the NBA. Same with all the other Olympic sports. Now imagine if they had the transfer portal for Olympic athletes. I used to memorize the football roster each year, noticing how much weight the redshirt freshman had gained in the off season. I'd sit to the end when we got blown out to see how our bench played in the 4th quarter. Why bother? Half will be gone next year. Moving up if they do well or moving down if they don't. Chasing the BBD. Are they really student athletes any more? |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Apr 30, 2024 8:28:54 GMT -8
Until Dutcher modernized his offense we will continue to lose kids to other program. Both KJ and Butler were told at their NBA evaluations they need to become bucket getters. Not happening here with Coach Dutch and David V. Keshad drastically improved his 3P/FT shooting in one season at U of A. Something he struggled to do while here at SDSU. He also made a decision to benefit his family financially. Keshad improved every year at SDSU. The coaches did an amazing job with him, including his shot, which looked better every season. His UA numbers just reflect the trajectory he was on. |
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Post by kushandfishersweets on Apr 30, 2024 8:33:03 GMT -8
NIL is fine. Paying players is fine. FIX THE TRANSFER PORTAL!
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 30, 2024 9:02:04 GMT -8
Keshad, Butler and Parrish all left because they had an extra year, had the opportunity to make some money and give it one more go to impress the NBA scouts. Sucks but would be the same if they didn’t have a COVID year and went overseas or G League.
Zylan left years ago because he didn’t like the position he was having to play and wanted to move out to the wing to better his chances for the NBA.
I believe Saunders is our first ever player with multiple years left that is leaving in part due to the money available at other places.
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Post by uncledougy on Apr 30, 2024 9:10:34 GMT -8
Even Nick Saban has had enough. And he gets the pick of the litter. Kids today feel like they deserve a golden ticket just because they can play some ball. Yes, they deserve some compensation because they are the product. They are in for a rude awakening when their eligibility expires. Saban got sick of it because now everyone can do what he was doing to stay ahead! If the system allows you to get paid way more than your worth, it would be insane not to take what you can get. 95% of the kids only have this chance since most aren’t going to make big bucks as a pro. If someone offered you $300k for a year or 2 of service….just about everyone of us would take it and go from there. None of us know what’s going on behind closed doors with the players and coaches so it’s hard to judge. It’s not like any of these players aren’t replaceable. I’m looking forward to the new crop of kids coming in wanting to make their mark. We all know going to a new situation for money may not work out the same as it does at the old place. |
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Post by dirtball on Apr 30, 2024 9:10:43 GMT -8
I love Dutcher. So this isnt a criticism. But I wonder if equal sharing of mesa foundation funds was really the way to go. It seems like a pie in the sky dream that someone like Ledee would get the same Mesa Foundation funds as Demarshay.
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Post by LostAztec on Apr 30, 2024 9:46:02 GMT -8
I love Dutcher. So this isnt a criticism. But I wonder if equal sharing of mesa foundation funds was really the way to go. It seems like a pie in the sky dream that someone like Ledee would get the same Mesa Foundation funds as Demarshay. Per Zieg in an article this past winter. The funds were allocated based on a senority/merit system. The top guys got $50k, the role players less, the bench/practice guys even less. |
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Post by LostAztec on Apr 30, 2024 9:52:10 GMT -8
Even Nick Saban has had enough. And he gets the pick of the litter. Kids today feel like they deserve a golden ticket just because they can play some ball. Yes, they deserve some compensation because they are the product. They are in for a rude awakening when their eligibility expires. Saban got sick of it because now everyone can do what he was doing to stay ahead! If the system allows you to get paid way more than your worth, it would be insane not to take what you can get. 95% of the kids only have this chance since most aren’t going to make big bucks as a pro. If someone offered you $300k for a year or 2 of service….just about everyone of us would take it and go from there. None of us know what’s going on behind closed doors with the players and coaches so it’s hard to judge. It’s not like any of these players aren’t replaceable. I’m looking forward to the new crop of kids coming in wanting to make their mark. We all know going to a new situation for money may not work out the same as it does at the old place. I'm not questioning their desire, motivations, or any other reasons for leaving. Nothing personal, it's business. I question Micah feeling so entitled that he laid it on the fans for not providing him with more money so he could live his hip-hop balling lifestyle in the manner he desires. I wonder if this attitude pervaded the Team last year? As to the current crop, they to will be gone the first time they show they have game. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 30, 2024 10:02:15 GMT -8
Is/will this mess matriculate to high school now or in the immediate future? Where will it stop? Pop Warner, little league, mighty mites soccer......
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 30, 2024 10:06:27 GMT -8
Is/will this mess matriculate to high school now or in the immediate future? Where will it stop? Pop Warner, little league, mighty mites soccer...... Unintended consequences! |
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Apr 30, 2024 10:14:20 GMT -8
Is/will this mess matriculate to high school now or in the immediate future? Where will it stop? Pop Warner, little league, mighty mites soccer...... It happens in high school already so there is that from Club AAU basketball, to Trinity League football, to Club Soccer, etc. I am not sure how early it starts, but they get a taste before college. Sports is such a huge business now, I actually don't even sit with the other parents at games any longer. The stuff that is said, and the lack of reality around their kids futures, etc. It is just so ugly and I am so glad to be about done with High School sports all together. |
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Post by azson on Apr 30, 2024 11:01:45 GMT -8
Let’s stop blaming the players, blame the system. These are guys in their early 20’s (many who will never play pro ball) getting a year or two to make some coin. Can you blame them? Sure the timing maybe lousy but that’s the way the game is played now. I can get pissed at Parrish for posting ridiculous comments criticizing fans but I can only be sad about him, Butler and Saunders leaving. NIL is in its infancy and navigating through it right now is really difficult for fans. It sucks but I have confidence that Dutcher and his staff will be able to find solid replacements. You want to help, donate to Mesa Foundation. Why donate, when a year later my favorite player ends up leaving anyway and follows it up with a Tweet criticizing me for not donating enough (when already making more than I do in a year). |
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Post by survalli on Apr 30, 2024 11:05:55 GMT -8
solution is simple, don't hold these guys up as heroes, they can only disappoint.
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Post by docmm on Apr 30, 2024 11:48:47 GMT -8
Is/will this mess matriculate to high school now or in the immediate future? Where will it stop? Pop Warner, little league, mighty mites soccer...... It happens in high school already so there is that from Club AAU basketball, to Trinity League football, to Club Soccer, etc. I am not sure how early it starts, but they get a taste before college. Sports is such a huge business now, I actually don't even sit with the other parents at games any longer. The stuff that is said, and the lack of reality around their kids futures, etc. It is just so ugly and I am so glad to be about done with High School sports all together. When my girls were little, I was the president of a girls softball league near SDSU. There were 600 girls in the league, ages 6 through 16. I sent out a parent questionaire when I started and one of the questions was "What do you want your daughter to get out of this league?" The responses were mostly levels of enjoyment, discipline and responsibility the kids could learn but one of the answers was, "I want my daughter to get a college scholarship for softball." Between 10% and 15% of the parents checked that box. One of my patients at the time was Kathy Van Wyk, the long-time, All-American, HOF SDSU softball coach. She was nice enough to come out and do a free pitching clinic. Afterwards, I asked her how many of these girls could/would get D1 scholarships from a league with this skill level. She said one or two. Not 1% or 2% but one or two girls out of the 600. That's instead of the 60-90 kids whose parents wanted/expected them to get one. And most of those parents were high-maintenance, entitled complainers that we had to deal with all the time. And that's the environment in every kids sports league. |
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Apr 30, 2024 11:57:44 GMT -8
I love Dutcher. So this isnt a criticism. But I wonder if equal sharing of mesa foundation funds was really the way to go. It seems like a pie in the sky dream that someone like Ledee would get the same Mesa Foundation funds as Demarshay. I have had a thought on this too. I believe the starters all got $50k base so it wasn't totally equal but since the starters had the same base they all still had options to make "real" NIL through marketing products using their name, image and likeness, you know how this was intended instead of a salary. Butler also got an additional bonus from a booster for $50k. My new thought on this came when someone said on here after hearing that Toppin from New Mexico entered the portal yesterday and wouldn't it be great if we could get him to replace Saunders? Was Yes that would be awesome. Later I thought it probably would take $500k a year to get him. Now my final thought is what happens to the locker room when we go get him and pay him $500k as a one year rental when Miles Byrd has been here 3 years, loyal to the program and is our "culture/program" guy now as our most tenured player? My thought is jealousy. Also would we want the existing players to have a vote in the distribution of the funds. Probably not but interesting dynamics will be in play here with the limited amount of funds we have. This is something SDSU has not had to contemplate since we previously had gone with the equal distribution model. I heard that Dutcher spoke he was open to not equally distributing the NIL funds. |
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