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Post by zurac315 on May 2, 2024 13:45:51 GMT -8
What started all this goes back many decades. There is plenty of blame for everyone. Really? There were 1,139 innocent civilians who ended up being brutally murdered that day for no reason. No Reason. Just slaughtered because they happened to live in Israel. There was a father who had a daughter with special needs who had an inability to walk or speak who the hamas terrorist hunted down like animals and slaughtered them. Do you and hoobs, longtimebooster, and @zura315 support the slaughter of those innocent beings? I’ll answer that as a definitive NO because I know you three aren’t like that. You all are good, descent people who wouldn’t wish what the Israeli’s faced on October 7th on anyone else. Just for the record I don't support anyone at any time. I'm against everyone all the time. They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in Florida and Texas needs rain. The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the Germans. The Germans hate the Poles. Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch. And I don't like anybody very much! But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud For man's been endowed with a mushroom shaped cloud. And we know for certain that some lovely day Someone will set the spark off and we will all be blown away. They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to us will be done by our fellow man. Seems to be the human condition.
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Post by azson on May 2, 2024 14:01:02 GMT -8
You (and especially waxxon) are incorrect: Support for Hamas as a political party has fallen to 34% among Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank, a 12-point drop from December 2023, according to a poll released Wednesday by a leading Palestinian research institute. www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gazans-back-two-state-solution-rcna144183If you're talking about current support, I believe that could be true since they've blasted with bombs, but I believe LTB, was talking about the percentage that supported the recent invasion of Israel. That was definitely up near 70 percent or higher, and states that in the article you quoted. Not sure where you're getting the 70 percent or higher from, according to the article I quoted support for Hamas was never over 44%: Before the war, in September 2023, only 12% of Palestinians in the West Bank supported Hamas. By that December, as the war entered its third month, support for Hamas in the West Bank skyrocketed to 44%, before falling to 35% in March. Support has been less volatile in Gaza, where 38% supported Hamas in September 2023, 42% in December 2023, and 34% this month.
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Post by aztecking on May 2, 2024 14:04:49 GMT -8
I highly doubt 80% of Palestinians supported Hamas’s invasion of Israel. Most Palestinians in Gaza hate Hamas according to most reporting I’ve seen — same as how most (most, not all) Iranians can’t stand the ancient zealots who rule their country. And, of course, no country wants to be subjected to random rocket barrages from unhinged neighbors. But there are other ways to squeeze the life out of Hamas other than bombing all of Gaza into oblivion. While I also don't believe 80 percent of Palestinians support Hamas, but at the same time I don't think "most" do not support Hamas. I believe it's definitely north of 50 percent do support Hamas. Having said that, I agree that that doesn't give Israel a green light to bomb haphazardly. It's just a brutal situation. 57% supported Hamas from a poll in 2022. Haven’t seen any recent polling.
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Post by johneaztec on May 2, 2024 14:13:13 GMT -8
If you're talking about current support, I believe that could be true since they've blasted with bombs, but I believe LTB, was talking about the percentage that supported the recent invasion of Israel. That was definitely up near 70 percent or higher, and states that in the article you quoted. Not sure where you're getting the 70 percent or higher from, according to the article I quoted support for Hamas was never over 44%: Before the war, in September 2023, only 12% of Palestinians in the West Bank supported Hamas. By that December, as the war entered its third month, support for Hamas in the West Bank skyrocketed to 44%, before falling to 35% in March. Support has been less volatile in Gaza, where 38% supported Hamas in September 2023, 42% in December 2023, and 34% this month.Unless I have it wrong, LTB was talking about the percent of people who supported the invasion of Israel in October, as well as myself, not the overall support of Hamas currently. Just the invasion.
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Post by johneaztec on May 2, 2024 14:14:39 GMT -8
While I also don't believe 80 percent of Palestinians support Hamas, but at the same time I don't think "most" do not support Hamas. I believe it's definitely north of 50 percent do support Hamas. Having said that, I agree that that doesn't give Israel a green light to bomb haphazardly. It's just a brutal situation. 57% supported Hamas from a poll in 2022. Haven’t seen any recent polling. Yes, I've seen any where from what you said, and up to 70 percent that supported the invasion in October.
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Post by AzTex on May 2, 2024 14:24:13 GMT -8
Really? There were 1,139 innocent civilians who ended up being brutally murdered that day for no reason. No Reason. Just slaughtered because they happened to live in Israel. There was a father who had a daughter with special needs who had an inability to walk or speak who the hamas terrorist hunted down like animals and slaughtered them. Do you and hoobs , longtimebooster , and @zura315 support the slaughter of those innocent beings? I’ll answer that as a definitive NO because I know you three aren’t like that. You all are good, descent people who wouldn’t wish what the Israeli’s faced on October 7th on anyone else. Just for the record I don't support anyone at any time. I'm against everyone all the time. They're rioting in Africa. They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in Florida and Texas needs rain. The whole world is festering with unhappy souls. The French hate the Germans. The Germans hate the Poles. Italians hate Yugoslavs. South Africans hate the Dutch. And I don't like anybody very much! But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud For man's been endowed with a mushroom shaped cloud. And we know for certain that some lovely day Someone will set the spark off and we will all be blown away. They're rioting in Africa. There's strife in Iran. What nature doesn't do to us will be done by our fellow man. Seems to be the human condition.
"The Merry Little Minuet" by The Kingston Trio
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Post by azson on May 2, 2024 14:28:17 GMT -8
Not sure where you're getting the 70 percent or higher from, according to the article I quoted support for Hamas was never over 44%: Before the war, in September 2023, only 12% of Palestinians in the West Bank supported Hamas. By that December, as the war entered its third month, support for Hamas in the West Bank skyrocketed to 44%, before falling to 35% in March. Support has been less volatile in Gaza, where 38% supported Hamas in September 2023, 42% in December 2023, and 34% this month.Unless I have it wrong, LTB was talking about the percent of people who supported the invasion of Israel in October, as well as myself, not the overall support of Hamas currently. Just the invasion. That may be true, but it's obvious you're now moving the goalposts. This is what you typed a few posts ago: While I also don't believe 80 percent of Palestinians support Hamas, but at the same time I don't think "most" do not support Hamas. I believe it's definitely north of 50 percent do support Hamas. Clearly you weren't talking about the invasion specifically, but now you're trying to backpedal once I proved you wrong.
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Post by johneaztec on May 2, 2024 14:44:49 GMT -8
Unless I have it wrong, LTB was talking about the percent of people who supported the invasion of Israel in October, as well as myself, not the overall support of Hamas currently. Just the invasion. That may be true, but it's obvious you're now moving the goalposts. This is what you typed a few posts ago: While I also don't believe 80 percent of Palestinians support Hamas, but at the same time I don't think "most" do not support Hamas. I believe it's definitely north of 50 percent do support Hamas. Clearly you weren't talking about the invasion specifically, but now you're trying to backpedal once I proved you wrong. Oh my gosh. "Proved me wrong". Ok big man. I hope you feel better about yourself. I also said that if you're talking about the current support, you're probably right. Sheesh. Yes, I could have me more clear, but no need for the added jab by you. I thought it was clear, since I was quoting straight from LTB's post. Whatever, just as long as you feel better about yourself.
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Post by aztecmusician on May 2, 2024 14:55:02 GMT -8
The purpose of this thread was to talk about the implosion of order on college campuses AND how, if at all that is impacting our beloved SDSU. I suppose since nobody is talking about Hepner Hall being sacked or Love Library being taken over and barricaded that is a positive thing when compared to the idiots up in Westwood.
It is now clear to me that our country is under attack, with the objective being to destabilize our country’s political support of Israel. Hamas cannot defeat the Israeli forces in the field, so this is what they are doing. They are using agitators who are stirring up trouble. Im not sure exactly who it is, but the fact they are using our students is despicable and every American Parent who has sent their children into these schools should be MAD AS HELL.
I’m sure the Biden Administration is measuring how these demonstrations impact the polls and the upcoming election. If they pull support from Israel, mission accomplished for the terrorists.
I sincerely hope that SDSU’s students can rise above this and continue on with their studies.
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Post by William L. Rupp on May 2, 2024 17:19:41 GMT -8
It's time to move this thread to the political board.
WLR
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Post by Den60 on May 2, 2024 17:34:03 GMT -8
Believe it or not some people are just against war in principle. Like some people are pacifists or conscientious objectors. By the time I was twelve I had seen enough of war to know that it was a good thing to avoid if possible. Interesting that these protestors don’t have all that much to say about Oct 7th and the violence that started all this. They seem to care only about the war on one side. How do you think the “from the river to the sea” chant you constantly hear from these people occurs without a major war? Most don't know what they're protesting against. I've seen unedited videos of what Hamas did on Oct 7. I saw one shoot an unarmed young woman who was pleading for her life after he first killed her friend who was slower. Everyone in Hamas or who supports them needs to die. Sorry if that pisses some off on here. If so, please let me know and we can put each other on Iggy. You can find a few on here but not the really bad stuff: www.hamas-massacre.net/
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Post by Den60 on May 2, 2024 17:49:21 GMT -8
I wonder what if Our border neighbor launched a commando attack on San Diego, killed 1,000 people, took hundreds more as prisoners. Brutalized dismembered, tortured them. Continued firing rockets and taking potshots at Americans because “we” stole this land from them. Their general population 80% in support of the invasion. And now wants to have a cease fire that they already violated. I highly doubt 80% of Palestinians supported Hamas’s invasion of Israel. Most Palestinians in Gaza hate Hamas according to most reporting I’ve seen — same as how most (most, not all) Iranians can’t stand the ancient zealots who rule their country. And, of course, no country wants to be subjected to random rocket barrages from unhinged neighbors. But there are other ways to squeeze the life out of Hamas other than bombing all of Gaza into oblivion. How about the great majority of Palestinians in Gaza supporting the war crimes of Oct 7th? Did you see the videos of them celebrating in the streets like they did when we got attacked on 911? Yeah, they are taught to hate the Jews and their supporters (US) from an early age but they never had a country and are not welcome in other Arab countries. They are like the gypsies in Europe though more violent. Here is the border wall between Gaza, which Palestinians were given to create their own state on the coast line no less, and Egypt. Why such a big wall to keep their Palestinian brothers out? The answer is that no other Arab states wants them: They were given a state and gave it to Hamas whose charter is for the elimination of Israel. There was a "cease fire" until Hamas came over and killed nearly 1,200 innocent and unarmed civilians. They raped, they burned babies alive, they cut unborn babies from their murdered mothers just to behead them. When attacked they hide behind women and children. God, Bibi has been more measured in his response than I would have been. Hamas uses civilians to hide behind.
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Post by Den60 on May 2, 2024 17:54:12 GMT -8
Yes! Find a way to get the billions of $$$ the world sends to the Palestinians to the Palestinians. Not Hamas or PLO! And while we're at it, find a way to keep the 3B+ (that we send to Israel annually) here in the U.S. for more important domestic uses. To Hamas, Palestinians are no more than "useful idiots."
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Post by Den60 on May 2, 2024 17:58:01 GMT -8
Yes! Find a way to get the billions of $$$ the world sends to the Palestinians to the Palestinians. Not Hamas or PLO! And while we're at it, find a way to keep the 3B+ (that we send to Israel annually) here in the U.S. for more important domestic uses. $3B? Biden just committed $6.1B for art students whose schools went under. You know how much military technology we get from Israel. Well, it's a helluva lot more than $3B/year.
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Post by Den60 on May 2, 2024 17:59:06 GMT -8
While I also don't believe 80 percent of Palestinians support Hamas, but at the same time I don't think "most" do not support Hamas. I believe it's definitely north of 50 percent do support Hamas.
Having said that, I agree that that doesn't give Israel a green light to bomb haphazardly. It's just a brutal situation. You (and especially waxxon) are incorrect: Support for Hamas as a political party has fallen to 34% among Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank, a 12-point drop from December 2023, according to a poll released Wednesday by a leading Palestinian research institute. www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gazans-back-two-state-solution-rcna144183Find the numbers for Gaza. Hamas is in Gaza. Hezbollah is in the West Bank.
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Post by Den60 on May 2, 2024 18:06:10 GMT -8
You (and especially waxxon) are incorrect: Support for Hamas as a political party has fallen to 34% among Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank, a 12-point drop from December 2023, according to a poll released Wednesday by a leading Palestinian research institute. www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gazans-back-two-state-solution-rcna144183And the only reason the support for Hamas was that high is because they've been the only political alternative to the very corrupt Palestinian Authority (corruption pretty bluntly fed by the US and Israel) Do you really think that Hamas, Hezobollah and others are not taking most of the money for themselves? Hell, the head of Hamas is reported to be worth more than $4B and lives in Dubai. Pretty sure Mossad will get the mother****** however. How did a guy like that get so rich. Same with groups claiming to be for <insert minority, disadvantaged, misgendered etc. here>. Those saying they are "serving" them are serving themselves. People get rich by exploiting the suffering of others.
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Post by aztecking on May 2, 2024 20:11:14 GMT -8
I highly doubt 80% of Palestinians supported Hamas’s invasion of Israel. Most Palestinians in Gaza hate Hamas according to most reporting I’ve seen — same as how most (most, not all) Iranians can’t stand the ancient zealots who rule their country. And, of course, no country wants to be subjected to random rocket barrages from unhinged neighbors. But there are other ways to squeeze the life out of Hamas other than bombing all of Gaza into oblivion. How about the great majority of Palestinians in Gaza supporting the war crimes of Oct 7th? Did you see the videos of them celebrating in the streets like they did when we got attacked on 911? Yeah, they are taught to hate the Jews and their supporters (US) from an early age but they never had a country and are not welcome in other Arab countries. They are like the gypsies in Europe though more violent. Here is the border wall between Gaza, which Palestinians were given to create their own state on the coast line no less, and Egypt. Why such a big wall to keep their Palestinian brothers out? The answer is that no other Arab states wants them: They were given a state and gave it to Hamas whose charter is for the elimination of Israel. There was a "cease fire" until Hamas came over and killed nearly 1,200 innocent and unarmed civilians. They raped, they burned babies alive, they cut unborn babies from their murdered mothers just to behead them. When attacked they hide behind women and children. God, Bibi has been more measured in his response than I would have been. Hamas uses civilians to hide behind. Preach, brother, preach.
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Post by azson on May 3, 2024 8:59:00 GMT -8
I highly doubt 80% of Palestinians supported Hamas’s invasion of Israel. Most Palestinians in Gaza hate Hamas according to most reporting I’ve seen — same as how most (most, not all) Iranians can’t stand the ancient zealots who rule their country. And, of course, no country wants to be subjected to random rocket barrages from unhinged neighbors. But there are other ways to squeeze the life out of Hamas other than bombing all of Gaza into oblivion. How about the great majority of Palestinians in Gaza supporting the war crimes of Oct 7th? Did you see the videos of them celebrating in the streets like they did when we got attacked on 911? Yeah, they are taught to hate the Jews and their supporters (US) from an early age but they never had a country and are not welcome in other Arab countries. They are like the gypsies in Europe though more violent. Here is the border wall between Gaza, which Palestinians were given to create their own state on the coast line no less, and Egypt. Why such a big wall to keep their Palestinian brothers out? The answer is that no other Arab states wants them: They were given a state and gave it to Hamas whose charter is for the elimination of Israel. There was a "cease fire" until Hamas came over and killed nearly 1,200 innocent and unarmed civilians. They raped, they burned babies alive, they cut unborn babies from their murdered mothers just to behead them. When attacked they hide behind women and children. God, Bibi has been more measured in his response than I would have been. Hamas uses civilians to hide behind. Ah yes, the good 'ole 9/11 propaganda, which focused on a single clip of people dancing, and ignored the 99.9% of the rest of the world that had compassion for us. Which in turn fed the bloodlust of Americans like yourself that couldn't wait to charge into a FUBAR war in the middle east, which cost thousands of U.S. soldiers' lives and trillions of wasted tax dollars. Good to see some things never change.
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