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Post by jp92grad on Apr 12, 2024 13:28:53 GMT -8
Ability to afford the best coaching staff possible, team training & support facilities, athletic dept staff who help the players with tutoring etc. for their studies... and so on... how do you think that stuff gets paid for? Also remember the better the program does and the more money pumped into the MEN'S basketball program Title IV gets its share to offset and help support the women's programs. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 12, 2024 14:51:24 GMT -8
So with the current situation for seating and limits on suites - you either are left with raising prices - lowering the amount of student tickets - expansion or building a bigger facility that can include more seats and the higher priced styles and or both . Also for concerts or other events
So a newer facility near Snapdragon might be the way to go to assist numerous things -
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Post by aztecforlife2006 on Apr 12, 2024 15:58:03 GMT -8
Increase tuition, get the money from the government through student loans
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Post by junior on Apr 12, 2024 16:17:41 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Apr 12, 2024 16:21:28 GMT -8
Ability to afford the best coaching staff possible, team training & support facilities, athletic dept staff who help the players with tutoring etc. for their studies... and so on... how do you think that stuff gets paid for? ************** That's fine but why do the bb patrons have to pay for those extra costs for the whole athletic program! ....because the basketball team gets a very significant portion of those And gawd forbid Softball & Baseball might get a little benefit too? (ignore the baseball team's record, the players are trying their best) |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 12, 2024 16:22:34 GMT -8
Ability to afford the best coaching staff possible, team training & support facilities, athletic dept staff who help the players with tutoring etc. for their studies... and so on... how do you think that stuff gets paid for? Also remember the better the program does and the more money pumped into the MEN'S basketball program Title IV gets its share to offset and help support the women's programs. Yup, I absolutely hope so!! |
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Post by docmm on Apr 12, 2024 20:00:12 GMT -8
So you build a new and larger arena with suites. How many extra seats and suite fees would you have to generate and for how many years before the $ outlay for the arena finally caught up? A long, LONG time! Viejas is fine.
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Post by standiego on Apr 13, 2024 7:39:19 GMT -8
sure seems as though the answer might be to build a multi purpose indoor facility with a better amount of seating and boxes / suites ... so you get the pricier seats and also some additional moderate priced ones - you also have parking ...
Then when this is built you convert the V to whatever is needed more classrooms or dorms or ...
With a larger Venue might mean some additional concerts or other events that need the larger amount of seats or the G - team from the Clippers or Hockey or ...
As SDSU did with Snapdragon you market the new facility as what it should be a great venue
The area where the V stands currently can be used even better by SDSU for the best needs of the campus
if you keep the V as it is ticket prices will have to climb even higher
so make the move now or prices will climb even higher
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Post by AzTex on Apr 13, 2024 8:14:52 GMT -8
Ability to afford the best coaching staff possible, team training & support facilities, athletic dept staff who help the players with tutoring etc. for their studies... and so on... how do you think that stuff gets paid for? ************** That's fine but why do the bb patrons have to pay for those extra costs for the whole athletic program! Only two of the athletic programs on campus contribute any significant amount to the athletic department budget, football and men's basketball. For now it appears that football is topped out. At least until it's seen how much success Coach Lewis has in generating excitement among the ticket buying public. We've been selling out most of our basketball games recently, so that's where additional funds are most easily raised. |
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Post by docmm on Apr 13, 2024 10:20:21 GMT -8
sure seems as though the answer might be to build a multi purpose indoor facility with a better amount of seating and boxes / suites ... so you get the pricier seats and also some additional moderate priced ones - you also have parking ... Then when this is built you convert the V to whatever is needed more classrooms or dorms or ... With a larger Venue might mean some additional concerts or other events that need the larger amount of seats or the G - team from the Clippers or Hockey or ... As SDSU did with Snapdragon you market the new facility as what it should be a great venue The area where the V stands currently can be used even better by SDSU for the best needs of the campus i f you keep the V as it is ticket prices will have to climb even higher so make the move now or prices will climb even higher If you build a new arena for untold millions of dollars, it's even more likely the prices will go up. |
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Post by jmarshall on Apr 13, 2024 11:18:03 GMT -8
Collectively they amount to about 22% overall increase in costs to the Ath Dept, not a 5.5% overall increase. Actually neither of you is right. It depends on what the overall cost of the each of those segments is. If housing went from $10 mil to $11 mil that’s a 10% increase but if food increased 50% from $1 mil to $1.5 mil the overall % increase is about 13.6% (12.5 mil / 11 mil), not 60%. You don’t add the percentages together. Actually correct. Can't add or average averages to get a real number. Still not an answer as to the approprianess of the increase. You can only have an opinion and guestimate what the actual increases are to the school. And we all know what "opinions" are like.  |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 13, 2024 11:45:33 GMT -8
I’m a GS Warrior fan. The new arena in SF was over $1bil to build. Sounds crazy and prohibitive, right?
That arena is a cash machine. Even if you factor out all the Warrior revenue, that place generates hundreds of millions a year through concerts, conferences, special events, clubs, etc.
So while I hate the thought of our BB team vacating Viejas for decades, it might make financial sense at some point
It might even make sense if one was built even if we don’t play there.
I believe there are limitations how many nights a year Viejas is used do to the neighbors nearby. A new arena in Mission Valley could be a goldmine for the university without those types of restrictions … with or without 17-ish home games a season. IF … this was the only arena in SD other than Viejas (no new one in the current sports arena district area as part of that project.
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Post by aztecbb on Apr 15, 2024 9:58:27 GMT -8
aztecdan you might want to check your math on the Warriors arena. If Lizzo sells out a concert there , the arena only gets the rent plus part of the concessions and parking - not the ticket revenue.
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Post by RB Aztec on Apr 15, 2024 14:45:29 GMT -8
I’m a GS Warrior fan. The new arena in SF was over $1bil to build. Sounds crazy and prohibitive, right? That arena is a cash machine. Even if you factor out all the Warrior revenue, that place generates hundreds of millions a year through concerts, conferences, special events, clubs, etc. So while I hate the thought of our BB team vacating Viejas for decades, it might make financial sense at some point It might even make sense if one was built even if we don’t play there. I believe there are limitations how many nights a year Viejas is used do to the neighbors nearby. A new arena in Mission Valley could be a goldmine for the university without those types of restrictions … with or without 17-ish home games a season. IF … this was the only arena in SD other than Viejas (no new one in the current sports arena district area as part of that project. Viejas is in the perfect location on campus, right next to all the dorms and Greek row (no need to hop on a trolley or car). This makes it so easy for students to walk out their door and be in the arena in a couple of minutes. I have a feeling they will find a way to make some luxury boxes in Viejas with an upgrade of the arena. My gut feeling this is the most cost effective way to make more money on game day. I can't imagine them considering building a new arena. I am looking forward to seeing what they come up with in the upgrades. |
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Apr 15, 2024 15:51:30 GMT -8
I’m a GS Warrior fan. The new arena in SF was over $1bil to build. Sounds crazy and prohibitive, right? That arena is a cash machine. Even if you factor out all the Warrior revenue, that place generates hundreds of millions a year through concerts, conferences, special events, clubs, etc. So while I hate the thought of our BB team vacating Viejas for decades, it might make financial sense at some point It might even make sense if one was built even if we don’t play there. I believe there are limitations how many nights a year Viejas is used do to the neighbors nearby. A new arena in Mission Valley could be a goldmine for the university without those types of restrictions … with or without 17-ish home games a season. IF … this was the only arena in SD other than Viejas (no new one in the current sports arena district area as part of that project. Viejas is in the perfect location on campus, right next to all the dorms and Greek row (no need to hop on a trolley or car). This makes it so easy for students to walk out their door and be in the arena in a couple of minutes. I have a feeling they will find a way to make some luxury boxes in Viejas with an upgrade of the arena. My gut feeling this is the most cost effective way to make more money on game day. I can't imagine them considering building a new arena. I am looking forward to seeing what they come up with in the upgrades. Agree with your comments. I think it is time to cut the bench seats up top and use that space for VIP suites. It will probably take more space than just that, but it seems the easiest parts to cut out and make suites. Some of those season ticket holders may move down and increase their spend with seatbacks. Just seems like the easiest seats to replace without pissing off big donors. I don't see a new arena in Mission Valley. Viejas is still in pretty good shape and the million dollar video board made me think the team is here for the long haul. We definitely have limited space with the location, but there is always a way if you spend the money. Do we have enough big spenders in SD for the VIP suites. I inquired about Gucci Row, but laughed them off the phone with the amount they wanted. If the VIP suites are anywhere close to Gucci Row, it might be tough to fill them. Next question, how many do you build and do you need commitments before construction begins? |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 15, 2024 21:15:50 GMT -8
Doubt there is much in suite possibilities. There is the pre party area for the not so Gucci crowd. Could get 2 suites there pretty easily, maybe a couple above it too, at a loss of 30+ seats? They can have their pre party out in the court yard facilities out front like they did in years gone by. It would take major construction to add much more and/or displace too many seats. They need to decide if they want a bigger venue with all the amenities at Snapdragon, or fewer seats for more suites/money at Viejas?
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Post by standiego on Apr 15, 2024 22:05:49 GMT -8
boils down to 3 possibilities
1 - keep the V and continue to raise prices
2 try to renovate the V
3 Build a new facility near Snapdragon with a lot more seats - both the suites/ boxes , and more moderate priced seats so prices can remain about the same or maybe drop the price on others
Market the new facility - same as being done by snapdragon - variety of ways but it could become the largest Inside facility in SD and OC and IE - Concerts - Conventions - G league - Hockey - Indoor Soccer
Regional Finals for MM ...
SDSU needs more classrooms or dorms or .... on the main campus - use the space where the V is
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 16, 2024 6:55:56 GMT -8
boils down to 3 possibilities 1 - keep the V and continue to raise prices 2 try to renovate the V 3 Build a new facility near Snapdragon with a lot more seats - both the suites/ boxes , and more moderate priced seats so prices can remain about the same or maybe drop the price on others Market the new facility - same as being done by snapdragon - variety of ways but it could become the largest Inside facility in SD and OC and IE - Concerts - Conventions - G league - Hockey - Indoor Soccer Regional Finals for MM ... SDSU needs more classrooms or dorms or .... on the main campus - use the space where the V is Doubt they could justify demolishing Viejas. But, wouldn't mind a newer, bigger arena to encompass all the sports, concerts and shows to replace the old Sports Arena, in MV. Then, move the low income housing proposed at Snapdragon to combine it with the low income housing at sports arena site. Pipe dream I'm sure, but think it would be win-win. Wouldn't have to play all home games in New Arena, could play some of the so called (pre season, buy in) games at Viejas. |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 16, 2024 7:26:28 GMT -8
boils down to 3 possibilities 1 - keep the V and continue to raise prices 2 try to renovate the V 3 Build a new facility near Snapdragon with a lot more seats - both the suites/ boxes , and more moderate priced seats so prices can remain about the same or maybe drop the price on others Market the new facility - same as being done by snapdragon - variety of ways but it could become the largest Inside facility in SD and OC and IE - Concerts - Conventions - G league - Hockey - Indoor Soccer Regional Finals for MM ... SDSU needs more classrooms or dorms or .... on the main campus - use the space where the V is Doubt they could justify demolishing Viejas. But, wouldn't mind a newer, bigger arena to encompass all the sports, concerts and shows to replace the old Sports Arena, in MV. Then, move the low income housing proposed at Snapdragon to combine it with the low income housing at sports arena site. Pipe dream I'm sure, but think it would be win-win. Wouldn't have to play all home games in New Arena, could play some of the so called (pre season, buy in) games at Viejas. Viejas would not be demolished since De La Torre passed up a free arena at the MV site. Would’ve made more sense to have the vendor build that arena then demolish Viejas and put housing/classrooms lost due to the new arena at MV there. But that ship has sailed. |
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