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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 8, 2024 14:58:36 GMT -8
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Post by junior on Apr 8, 2024 19:30:15 GMT -8
But can the data support that there's enough of an association between the rule change and the injuries? The MLB's contention that the kind of pitches that are being thrown and the uptick in spin rate and other measurable pitching variables may be contributing to the injuries is a valid argument.
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 9, 2024 2:00:07 GMT -8
I still contend that when major league baseball changed the strike zone, that is the source of most of the problems. Narrowing the strike zone and calling the higher strike has forced every pitcher to become a power pitcher, with 95 to 100 mph fastballs now the norm. The days of Andy Pettiite, Greg, Maddox, Tom Glavine, Mike Mussina style pitchers who worked the edges became a memory.
MLB is addicted to triple digits and that is blowing up arms at an unprecedented rate.
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 10, 2024 22:22:39 GMT -8
It's not just the pitch clock though, it's getting rid of using rosin and sunscreen to grip the ball. Pitchers can't grip the ball as well, so they have to squeeze it more when they throw it, leading to higher injury rates. MLB needs to go back to allowing pitchers to use rosin and sunscreen, or have a standardized sticky substance that all pitchers can use. |
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Post by junior on Apr 11, 2024 13:43:46 GMT -8
Some of this can also be blamed on the changes in pitching technique - these guys are throwing fire on every pitch. Very little finesse from some of them, it's just rear back and fire away on every pitch. And over time that's going to break down the tendons that carry the most stress here - the ones in the elbows.
If you go back far enough, you'll see that many pitchers completed nine inning games on a regular basis. So besides some of the newer rules, you'd also see that those guys were not firing away on most pitches. They could pitch around guys and pull some of their pitches against lesser hitters. Fast forward to 2024. Who pitches a CG now? Even some of those with no-nos going have a hard time convincing their managers to leave them in to complete their no-hitter. 100 pitches and that's it for even the best of them.
But every one of those 100 pitches is pretty much guaranteed to be an elbow breaker whether it's from high velocity, high spin rate, high sweep, or a combination of those three. It would probably be OK to keep a timer going, but extend that time between pitches from 18 or 20 seconds to 25-30 seconds. It couldn't "hurt" …
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 11, 2024 13:49:15 GMT -8
Some of this can also be blamed on the changes in pitching technique - these guys are throwing fire on every pitch. Very little finesse from some of them, it's just rear back and fire away on every pitch. And over time that's going to break down the tendons that carry the most stress here - the ones in the elbows. If you go back far enough, you'll see that many pitchers completed nine inning games on a regular basis. So besides some of the newer rules, you'd also see that those guys were not firing away on most pitches. They could pitch around guys and pull some of their pitches against lesser hitters. Fast forward to 2024. Who pitches a CG now? Even some of those with no-nos going have a hard time convincing their managers to leave them in to complete their no-hitter. 100 pitches and that's it for even the best of them. But every one of those 100 pitches is pretty much guaranteed to be an elbow breaker whether it's from high velocity, high spin rate, high sweep, or a combination of those three. It would probably be OK to keep a timer going, but extend that time between pitches from 18 or 20 seconds to 25-30 seconds. It couldn't "hurt" … It starts at the youth level and transcends all the way through college. College arms are used and abused, regularly exceeding advised pitch limits. College coaches want to win, they don't care about ultimately preserving someone's pro future. Throw in additional velocity, a greater emphasis on spin and more year-round throwing. Just only so much a ligament can take. |
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 16, 2024 20:49:37 GMT -8
Some of this can also be blamed on the changes in pitching technique - these guys are throwing fire on every pitch. Very little finesse from some of them, it's just rear back and fire away on every pitch. And over time that's going to break down the tendons that carry the most stress here - the ones in the elbows. If you go back far enough, you'll see that many pitchers completed nine inning games on a regular basis. So besides some of the newer rules, you'd also see that those guys were not firing away on most pitches. They could pitch around guys and pull some of their pitches against lesser hitters. Fast forward to 2024. Who pitches a CG now? Even some of those with no-nos going have a hard time convincing their managers to leave them in to complete their no-hitter. 100 pitches and that's it for even the best of them. But every one of those 100 pitches is pretty much guaranteed to be an elbow breaker whether it's from high velocity, high spin rate, high sweep, or a combination of those three. It would probably be OK to keep a timer going, but extend that time between pitches from 18 or 20 seconds to 25-30 seconds. It couldn't "hurt" … It starts at the youth level and transcends all the way through college. College arms are used and abused, regularly exceeding advised pitch limits. College coaches want to win, they don't care about ultimately preserving someone's pro future. Throw in additional velocity, a greater emphasis on spin and more year-round throwing. Just only so much a ligament can take. What do you think about sticky stuff, and the ban on sunscreen? |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 16, 2024 20:57:23 GMT -8
It starts at the youth level and transcends all the way through college. College arms are used and abused, regularly exceeding advised pitch limits. College coaches want to win, they don't care about ultimately preserving someone's pro future. Throw in additional velocity, a greater emphasis on spin and more year-round throwing. Just only so much a ligament can take. What do you think about sticky stuff, and the ban on sunscreen? Definitely plays a role, as does the constant changing of the baseball. Hard to quantify. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 16, 2024 21:07:04 GMT -8
Suarez has thrown something like 60 fastballs in a row, with a lot of them around 99. That's incredible that he can do that and have success. You can't give someone a "live" arm, so to speak.
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