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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 20, 2024 9:48:33 GMT -8
Clemson just sued the acc over the exit fees. ACC IS DEAD MAN WALKING. What makes you think that Clemson and FLA St. are going to be able to walk out the door for little or no cash penalty? They willingly signed the deal that goes until 2036 (?). Does willingly signing a contract mean nothing any more in this country?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 20, 2024 9:56:59 GMT -8
The funny thing is that Oregon State and Washington State think that they are attractive to Power Conferences. I would argue that SDSU is more attractive than either one of those schools. SDSU is located in Socal with a bigger TV market and until recently had equal to better success than those schools in Football and Basketball. Also academically SDSU is on par with both those schools. I don't think OSU or WSU has come to grips with their new station in the world of college athletics. "I would argue that SDSU is more attractive than either one of those schools. SDSU is located in Socal with a bigger TV market and until recently had equal to better success than those schools in Football and Basketball." It seems like I have been hearing this argument my whole life (in my later 60's now), and yet we are still where we are. I do not disagree with you at all, but none of that has ever gotten us anywhere...)-: How true. We have had two major factors working against us. Academically, we have UC dragging us down. The other factor is geography. I would like to think that being invited to a Power Conference is possible. However, more and more it looks like that is unlikely. Meanwhile, the bottom feeders of the power conferences a grandfathered-in.
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Post by laaztec on Mar 20, 2024 10:01:17 GMT -8
"I would argue that SDSU is more attractive than either one of those schools. SDSU is located in Socal with a bigger TV market and until recently had equal to better success than those schools in Football and Basketball." It seems like I have been hearing this argument my whole life (in my later 60's now), and yet we are still where we are. I do not disagree with you at all, but none of that has ever gotten us anywhere...)-: How true. We have had two major factors working against us. Academically, we have UC dragging us down. The other factor is geography. I would like to think that being invited to a Power Conference is possible. However, more and more it looks like that is unlikely. Meanwhile, the bottom feeders of the power conferences a grandfathered-in.
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We are on par academically with most of the Big 12. Academics is not an issue anymore. Also our geography is a plus. Being the only team in So Cal not in the Big 10 is a positive.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 20, 2024 10:07:09 GMT -8
Clemson is just trying to negotiate a lower exit fee. In the end, around 40 schools will leave the ncaa with all sports. I wish them well. At that point, they will just be a semi pro league which I will have no desire to be part of. I also have a feeling by then NIL will morph into players being university employees with the same benefits as other university employeeS. The budgets will balloon to around 200 million a year. Good luck trying to balance the books. Very unlikely. Neither the BIG nor the SEC has made any comments in that regard. They DO want the lion's share of the FB money, however. Such as three AQ spots each for the BB play off. What a farce that might be. Imagine a four loss Iowa team or a four loss Miss. St. getting into the playoffs while a one loss or two loss Oklahoma St. or North Carolina get left out. Or, maybe, an undefeated SDSU or UTSA team are left sitting on the curb.
What a mess.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Mar 20, 2024 10:17:05 GMT -8
How true. We have had two major factors working against us. Academically, we have UC dragging us down. The other factor is geography. I would like to think that being invited to a Power Conference is possible. However, more and more it looks like that is unlikely. Meanwhile, the bottom feeders of the power conferences a grandfathered-in.
AzWm
We are on par academically with most of the Big 12. Academics is not an issue anymore. Also our geography is a plus. Being the only team in So Cal not in the Big 10 is a positive. Those two factors WERE working against us for decades. Not so much any more, that's true. However, academically, I don't think we quite stack up with some of the Big 12 schools.
In any event, I think we are not in line to be part of the 40-50 schools to be elevated to the God Division (as the Monty Show calls it). There are, in fact, a number of pretty decent FBS FB schools that will never make the cut.
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Post by standiego on Mar 20, 2024 11:24:59 GMT -8
on a relevant issues SDSU and others will be watching to see If WSU and OSU can reformulate a decent PAC conference
the key for many will be the amount of money that a TV / Media group would pay - with the focus being on football / the schools with decent amount of Viewers
in addition for many of the schools that want to have their less known sports viable - preferring schools within a decent travel distance - airports and IMO not have the elevation issues
as of today the Florida State / Clemson .... issues for SDSU might be the exit fees that involve leaving the MW - but sure some will bring up a West division of the ACC ?
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Post by Den60 on Mar 20, 2024 12:08:30 GMT -8
CFP and ESPN just agreed to huge contract through 2031-2032 www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39766079/college-football-playoff-espn-agree-deal-2031-32Here is breakdown of each current P5 school revenue currently and with the new deal -SEC goes from $5.5M -> $21M per school -Big10 goes from $5.5M -> $21M per school -ACC goes from $5.5M -> $13M per school -B12 goes from $5.5M -> $12M per school -Notre Dame goes from $5.5M to $12M -Group of 5 goes from $1.5M to $1.8M per school"For now, the CFP is treating Oregon State and Washington State as independent schools in 2026 and beyond. Given the conference's uncertain status with 10 schools leaving next season, new Pac-12 commissioner Teresa Gould did not sign the memorandum of understanding last week or the new six-year deal with ESPN, but she did agree to the amended contract with the network for the 2024 and 2025 seasons" Washington State and Oregon State can join or merge with the MWC and drop from $5.5M to $1.8M OR spend that cash from the Pac12 to put together the best possible conference of 10 schools with hopes of negotiating $8-$10M per school. I'm thinking: -Washington State -Oregon State -San Diego State -Tulane -Colorado State -Memphis -South Florida -Boise State -Air Force -UNLV or App State These I think are most attractive to ESPN and schools investing in football. Geography is tough for Memphis, South Florida and possibly App State but then again Stanford and Cal are in ACC! No to USF, too far even in a conference with Tulane and Memphis. Go with UTSA instead and, maybe Rice. UTSA is the only FBS university in San Antonio. Most definitely keep UNLV and no to App. St. I'd think you'd have to add Fresno St. if you add Boise. The reason for not adding either is if the PCA2 think Calford may bounce back.
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Post by Texaz on Mar 20, 2024 14:16:08 GMT -8
We are on par academically with most of the Big 12. Academics is not an issue anymore. Also our geography is a plus. Being the only team in So Cal not in the Big 10 is a positive. Those two factors WERE working against us for decades. Not so much any more, that's true. However, academically, I don't think we quite stack up with some of the Big 12 schools.
In any event, I think we are not in line to be part of the 40-50 schools to be elevated to the God Division (as the Monty Show calls it). There are, in fact, a number of pretty decent FBS FB schools that will never make the cut.
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Just pulled up US News World Report with SDSU being tied for 51st of top public universities. Colorado was tied at 51 also. We would be in the top tier of academically of the Big 12. I think if the football team makes improvement the next two seasons with exciting games and the growth of the Mission Valley Tech Center we will be moving on. Either Big 12 or as others have mentioned a Western ACC. The later depends on the outcome of the ACC grant of rights law suits.
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Post by hoobs on Mar 20, 2024 14:23:47 GMT -8
IMO, there's definitely a scenario where an ACC that minus 4 schools leaving to the B1G and SEC seeks to give up on competing against those two conferences, and realizes it needs to compete against the Big12... in which case they need to go fully coast to coast and adds SDSU, UNLV, Colorado State, & Tulane... and well probably OR St & WA St.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Mar 20, 2024 15:15:50 GMT -8
The difference is WSU and OSU are on our level now. They're like the former buff jock/ hot cheerleader who got beat up by life and gained a chin or two but still possess the mindset people overlooked in the past due to their past appearance Hey! I resemble that remark!!
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Post by aztech on Mar 20, 2024 15:32:28 GMT -8
Those two factors WERE working against us for decades. Not so much any more, that's true. However, academically, I don't think we quite stack up with some of the Big 12 schools.
In any event, I think we are not in line to be part of the 40-50 schools to be elevated to the God Division (as the Monty Show calls it). There are, in fact, a number of pretty decent FBS FB schools that will never make the cut.
AzWm
Just pulled up US News World Report with SDSU being tied for 51st of top public universities. Colorado was tied at 51 also. We would be in the top tier of academically of the Big 12. I think if the football team makes improvement the next two seasons with exciting games and the growth of the Mission Valley Tech Center we will be moving on. Either Big 12 or as others have mentioned a Western ACC. The later depends on the outcome of the ACC grant of rights law suits. Well, 2025 is the target year to have R1 status. That is a big deal.
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Post by standiego on Mar 20, 2024 15:47:44 GMT -8
what is the Viewership for Fresno areas / Central Valley - do they have a decent airport for teams ?
Agree with trying to add Texas schools - although think U of Houston is going to control most of their area not RICE
UNLV should have a decent amount of Viewers or does Reno have decent numbers
Q - doesn't U of Colorado pretty much have most of the Viewers in the state ? and the travel to elevation does not help the majority of schools - get way from the Mountain schools
AFA should be with the other Military schools - in addition same argument about the other Mountain schools and what it takes to practice for their football team - altitude and travel there
Would also bring up ESPN has SEC and Big 12 - might they prefer that the ACC eventually dissolve or have some schools add to the Big 12 so they have an eastern division and so they do not have to make as many payouts ?
But to get back to the subject PAC 2 plus the 4 from MW SDSU- Fresno - BSU- UNLV - and the best 2 that their Marketers can suggest - again it is TV Viewers that are important for the Media groups
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Post by smoothcat on Mar 20, 2024 16:13:13 GMT -8
At this point if OSU and WSU is not wanting San Diego State, they can eat it.
I am not 100% sure we want them.
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Post by 94sdsu on Mar 22, 2024 14:01:32 GMT -8
Are the PAC 2 collecting all the winnings from the Pac 12 this year? $8m so far....
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Post by MontezumasRevenge on Mar 22, 2024 14:39:26 GMT -8
Are the PAC 2 collecting all the winnings from the Pac 12 this year? $8m so far.... Pac-12 had half the number of teams in the tourney compared to the MW yet has twice the number of wins smh Edit: Forgot they got 4, but still
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Post by Den60 on Mar 24, 2024 9:12:44 GMT -8
Just pulled up US News World Report with SDSU being tied for 51st of top public universities. Colorado was tied at 51 also. We would be in the top tier of academically of the Big 12. I think if the football team makes improvement the next two seasons with exciting games and the growth of the Mission Valley Tech Center we will be moving on. Either Big 12 or as others have mentioned a Western ACC. The later depends on the outcome of the ACC grant of rights law suits. Well, 2025 is the target year to have R1 status. That is a big deal. Especially given the hurdles the UC schools place on CSU schools regarding research and awarding PhDs. I have read that we already meet the criteria for R1 status.
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Post by Den60 on Mar 24, 2024 9:19:45 GMT -8
Are the PAC 2 collecting all the winnings from the Pac 12 this year? $8m so far.... None of the departing 10 wilkl see a dime of this year's tournament units, they are paid over the next 6 years. The departing 10 would only have a claim if the PAC2 doesn't follow through with rebuilding the PAC. However, with the success they are seeing it may help them be able to raid the MWC rather than merge with them. If SDSU wins today we will have brought in another $6M to the $10M we brought in last year. We leave that behind should we leave for the PAC and the MWC stays intact. BSU, CSU would likely join us and they leave behind some units. UCLA, Fresno and AFA would leave no units behind. Given that the MWC just upped their conference games to 20, with us being the only one to vote against it, I am really hoping we can leave some MWC teams behind and form a smaller, but better, conference. The wildcard in the proposed 6 is BSU and Fresno. If the PAC2 think Calford will bounce back then having those two in the conference wil make that less likely.
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Post by standiego on Mar 24, 2024 10:16:04 GMT -8
would guess that the PAC starts out with 8 teams to start with and then watches to see what CAL and Stanford do - especially with travel expenses
Fresno definitely has the Central Valley areas for TV Viewers ( but do not know their numbers for Viewers ) - other then some that might still like USC
Does San Jose or Reno have decent numbers ?
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Post by aztech on Mar 24, 2024 11:44:07 GMT -8
Well, 2025 is the target year to have R1 status. That is a big deal. Especially given the hurdles the UC schools place on CSU schools regarding research and awarding PhDs. I have read that we already meet the criteria for R1 status.I hope you're correct. IMO the Pac2 will maintain the PAC's philosophy of having schools classified as R1 or higher, only. The current R1 schools are CSU, UNM and UNLV. They'd have to hold their noses and invite the smaller R1 schools like USU and NV. That would bait CalFord to return.
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