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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 14:01:44 GMT -8
I'll take the reaping of a Series win against that team, at their place, all day long. Their bullpen is dead last in strikeout rate and they've been buoyed by ridiculous performances that aren't sustainable by a number of players with no track record of sustained success. They are terrible against teams over .500 and have feasted on a weak schedule and a weak division. Winning a series is great, but if you always win two games and lose the third, you never go on a winning streak and you never build momentum over a stupidly long season. You're not going to win 109 games. It all comes back to Kolek's performance on Friday. If he isn't atrocious, Estrada isn't needed, nor Suarez. We would have had them for both yesterday and today, instead Friday and Saturday. |
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Post by docmm on Jun 2, 2024 14:04:11 GMT -8
Maybe he's supposed to be the classic "crafty" southpaw but at 5'6" 165 lbs, I'm pretty sure no one is too worried. I think the league has figured him out. In his last 15 games, he's got a 5.65 ERA and 1.33 WPs.
Giving him $28,000,000 guaranteed isn't looking good.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2024 14:12:54 GMT -8
Their bullpen is dead last in strikeout rate and they've been buoyed by ridiculous performances that aren't sustainable by a number of players with no track record of sustained success. They are terrible against teams over .500 and have feasted on a weak schedule and a weak division. Winning a series is great, but if you always win two games and lose the third, you never go on a winning streak and you never build momentum over a stupidly long season. You're not going to win 109 games. It all comes back to Kolek's performance on Friday. If he isn't atrocious, Estrada isn't needed, nor Suarez. We would have had them for both yesterday and today, instead Friday and Saturday. As I've been saying for the last hour, no. Everyone needs a scapegoat, nobody actually thinks about the situation beyond the scapegoat. Estrada had already pitched in that game, so you might want to figure out facts. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2024 14:21:21 GMT -8
Maybe he's supposed to be the classic "crafty" southpaw but at 5'6" 165 lbs, I'm pretty sure no one is too worried. I think the league has figured him out. In his last 15 games, he's got a 5.65 ERA and 1.33 WPs. The league "figuring out" a guy after 25 innings isn't really a thing. |
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Post by docmm on Jun 2, 2024 14:39:14 GMT -8
Maybe he's supposed to be the classic "crafty" southpaw but at 5'6" 165 lbs, I'm pretty sure no one is too worried. I think the league has figured him out. In his last 15 games, he's got a 5.65 ERA and 1.33 WPs. The league "figuring out" a guy after 25 innings isn't really a thing. Jesus Christ, it's freakin' figure of speech. It means, you get enough film on a guy, see his tendencies etc and it's easier to figure him out. Have you EVER responded to a post without sounding patronizing and elitist? It's the same no matter what sport is being talked about. Must be fun to know everything about everything. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 14:46:53 GMT -8
It all comes back to Kolek's performance on Friday. If he isn't atrocious, Estrada isn't needed, nor Suarez. We would have had them for both yesterday and today, instead Friday and Saturday. As I've been saying for the last hour, no. Everyone needs a scapegoat, nobody actually thinks about the situation beyond the scapegoat. Estrada had already pitched in that game, so you might want to figure out facts. Ok, let's eliminate Estrada. We would have had Suarez in the ninth today if it were not for Kolek's atrocious performance. Scapegoat? Kolek's not a scapegoat. It's a fact. Also, by you saying "no" for an hour doesn't make your "no" OPINION correct. Get off your high horse. Sheesh. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2024 14:47:41 GMT -8
The league "figuring out" a guy after 25 innings isn't really a thing. Jesus Christ, it's freakin' figure of speech. It means, you get enough film on a guy, see his tendencies etc and it's easier to figure him out. Have you EVER responded to a post without sounding patronizing and elitist? It's the same no matter what sport is being talked about. Must be fun to know everything about everything. Wasn't meant to be patronizing. My apologies. Matsui has a sky-high walk rate, he's walked the leadoff guy or the second hitter he's faced in more than half his appearances. That by itself is going to lead to trouble. Then he's being used improperly. He was used today to specifically throw to Pasquantino, a lefty. But he has reverse splits AND Pasquantino has reverse splits. Being thrust into the closer role when you haven't done it at the major league level? Just bad process. Shildt makes a lot of mistakes and a lot of it's just correctable, thankfully. |
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Post by junior on Jun 2, 2024 14:51:37 GMT -8
Giants' closer doesn't fare any better than Yucky Matsui did - blowing a save with 100+ MPH meatballs to Yankees in the 9th. … things can always be worse. Like more exploding heads …  |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 14:51:50 GMT -8
The league "figuring out" a guy after 25 innings isn't really a thing. Jesus Christ, it's freakin' figure of speech. It means, you get enough film on a guy, see his tendencies etc and it's easier to figure him out. Have you EVER responded to a post without sounding patronizing and elitist? It's the same no matter what sport is being talked about. Must be fun to know everything about everything. Exactly. Maybe 1 percent of the time. I bet you could go down just about every one of his rebuttal posts, and you'll see that he'll either feel the "need" to add on, or do some sort of correction, since he knows more than you. Lol. It's never a, "that's right" or a "you're correct" response. It's always an add on. Tiring. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2024 15:05:59 GMT -8
As I've been saying for the last hour, no. Everyone needs a scapegoat, nobody actually thinks about the situation beyond the scapegoat. Estrada had already pitched in that game, so you might want to figure out facts. Ok, let's eliminate Estrada. We would have had Suarez in the ninth today if it were not for Kolek's atrocious performance. Scapegoat? Kolek's not a scapegoat. It's a fact. Also, by you saying "no" for an hour doesn't make your "no" OPINION correct. Get off your high horse. Sheesh. I've explained it a dozen times already, so what's one more? Estrada was used in the sixth inning to throw a total of...two...pitches. He came in to intentionally walk a guy, then got two outs on two pitches. Done. Wandy Peralta was used to cover the eighth, after the Royals threw 51 pitches. If Kolek struggled in the ninth, your only option was Suarez. Those roles should have been reversed, giving you flexibility to not have one move to make. Suarez was brought in with a five run lead and two outs. A panic move. Either you leave Kolek in too long or you set yourself up to have someone else (Peralta) pitch with a five run lead. Even a grand slam doesn't tie the game. This wasn't 11-9, it was 11-6. Those runs matter. Fast-forward to yesterday: A two out pitching change of Morejon for Estrada? Not necessary. Runner on second, two outs. But what's done is done. Estrada comes in, allows a couple baserunners, command isn't sharp and the pitch count inflates. Then later, you use Peralta (again, two outs) and he throws three pitches. Apparently, he was unavailable today, too, after back to back outings. So by using two of your high leverage arms for a grand total of five pitches across different games, both became unavailable today. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 15:12:28 GMT -8
Ok, let's eliminate Estrada. We would have had Suarez in the ninth today if it were not for Kolek's atrocious performance. Scapegoat? Kolek's not a scapegoat. It's a fact. Also, by you saying "no" for an hour doesn't make your "no" OPINION correct. Get off your high horse. Sheesh. I've explained it a dozen times already, so what's one more? Estrada was used in the sixth inning to throw a total of...two...pitches. He came in to intentionally walk a guy, then got two outs on two pitches. Done. Wandy Peralta was used to cover the eighth, after the Royals threw 51 pitches. If Kolek struggled in the ninth, your only option was Suarez. Those roles should have been reversed, giving you flexibility to not have one move to make. Suarez was brought in with a five run lead and two outs. A panic move. Either you leave Kolek in too long or you set yourself up to have someone else (Peralta) pitch with a five run lead. Even a grand slam doesn't tie the game. This wasn't 11-9, it was 11-6. Those runs matter. Fast-forward to yesterday: A two out pitching change of Morejon for Estrada? Not necessary. Runner on second, two outs. But what's done is done. Estrada comes in, allows a couple baserunners, command isn't sharp and the pitch count inflates. Then later, you use Peralta (again, two outs) and he throws three pitches. Apparently, he was unavailable today, too, after back to back outings. So by using two of your high leverage arms for a grand total of five pitches across different games, both became unavailable today. It was 11-6 with the bases loaded. That makes a difference. Most thought Suarez wouldn't give up a hit there. He did, so he had to stay out there for another batter. Does Suarez pitch today if he didn't pitch on Friday? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2024 15:25:40 GMT -8
I've explained it a dozen times already, so what's one more? Estrada was used in the sixth inning to throw a total of...two...pitches. He came in to intentionally walk a guy, then got two outs on two pitches. Done. Wandy Peralta was used to cover the eighth, after the Royals threw 51 pitches. If Kolek struggled in the ninth, your only option was Suarez. Those roles should have been reversed, giving you flexibility to not have one move to make. Suarez was brought in with a five run lead and two outs. A panic move. Either you leave Kolek in too long or you set yourself up to have someone else (Peralta) pitch with a five run lead. Even a grand slam doesn't tie the game. This wasn't 11-9, it was 11-6. Those runs matter. Fast-forward to yesterday: A two out pitching change of Morejon for Estrada? Not necessary. Runner on second, two outs. But what's done is done. Estrada comes in, allows a couple baserunners, command isn't sharp and the pitch count inflates. Then later, you use Peralta (again, two outs) and he throws three pitches. Apparently, he was unavailable today, too, after back to back outings. So by using two of your high leverage arms for a grand total of five pitches across different games, both became unavailable today. It was 11-6 with the bases loaded. That makes a difference. Most thought Suarez wouldn't give up a hit there. He did, so he had to stay out there for another batter. Does Suarez pitch today if he didn't pitch on Friday? It does not change the calculus. Even a grand slam doesn't beat you or even tie the game and you're trying to get one out against the bottom of the order.. It was a panic move to try and secure a win. You left Kolek in for eight batters, so someone screwed up one way or the other. I didn't even mention the fact they had already warmed Suarez up in the eighth inning of that game. So you warm up a guy, sit him down after the Royals throw 51 pitches in the inning from hell and then warm him up again in the ninth when Kolek couldn't shut the door. You're focused on one action, but I'm talking about the entire series. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 16:01:03 GMT -8
It was 11-6 with the bases loaded. That makes a difference. Most thought Suarez wouldn't give up a hit there. He did, so he had to stay out there for another batter. Does Suarez pitch today if he didn't pitch on Friday? It does not change the calculus. Even a grand slam doesn't beat you or even tie the game and you're trying to get one out against the bottom of the order.. It was a panic move to try and secure a win. You left Kolek in for eight batters, so someone screwed up one way or the other. I didn't even mention the fact they had already warmed Suarez up in the eighth inning of that game. So you warm up a guy, sit him down after the Royals throw 51 pitches in the inning from hell and then warm him up again in the ninth when Kolek couldn't shut the door. You're focused on one action, but I'm talking about the entire series. That one action, the action being Koleks performance, created a situation where you needed to bring in Suarez to shut the door with the bases loaded. I agreed with that decision. I was hoping they'd bring in Suarez to get it over with. The point I'm making, is that if Kolek does better, then Suarez isn't used and we have him for today. That's really the bottom line. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2024 16:07:37 GMT -8
It does not change the calculus. Even a grand slam doesn't beat you or even tie the game and you're trying to get one out against the bottom of the order.. It was a panic move to try and secure a win. You left Kolek in for eight batters, so someone screwed up one way or the other. I didn't even mention the fact they had already warmed Suarez up in the eighth inning of that game. So you warm up a guy, sit him down after the Royals throw 51 pitches in the inning from hell and then warm him up again in the ninth when Kolek couldn't shut the door. You're focused on one action, but I'm talking about the entire series. That one action, the action being Koleks performance, created a situation where you needed to bring in Suarez to shut the door with the bases loaded. I agreed with that decision. I was hoping they'd bring in Suarez to get it over with. The point I'm making, is that if Kolek does better, then Suarez isn't used and we have him for today. That's really the bottom line. The fact you agree with the move changes your perception of everything afterwards. It's not the bottom line at all. They used Suarez in a non-save situation yesterday, so you could make the same statement. That's why it's best to look at all the data, not a short-sighted review of one move. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 16:19:32 GMT -8
That one action, the action being Koleks performance, created a situation where you needed to bring in Suarez to shut the door with the bases loaded. I agreed with that decision. I was hoping they'd bring in Suarez to get it over with. The point I'm making, is that if Kolek does better, then Suarez isn't used and we have him for today. That's really the bottom line. The fact you agree with the move changes your perception of everything afterwards. It's not the bottom line at all. They used Suarez in a non-save situation yesterday, so you could make the same statement. That's why it's best to look at all the data, not a short-sighted review of one move. Somebody could say Shildt panicked and I would understand their thinking, but I personally don't think he did. The Royals were on a similar Padres like roll that they had in this game, and it needed to be stopped. They were so hot that one of their bottom orders guys got a hit off Suarez and drove in two. Maybe not bottom, but a guy you would think he could have had success with. Yeah, it was too bad they had to use him, because we could have used him today. We can thank Kolek for that. That is the bottom line. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 16:24:55 GMT -8
It was 11-6 with the bases loaded. That makes a difference. Most thought Suarez wouldn't give up a hit there. He did, so he had to stay out there for another batter. Does Suarez pitch today if he didn't pitch on Friday? It does not change the calculus. Even a grand slam doesn't beat you or even tie the game and you're trying to get one out against the bottom of the order.. It was a panic move to try and secure a win. You left Kolek in for eight batters, so someone screwed up one way or the other. I didn't even mention the fact they had already warmed Suarez up in the eighth inning of that game. So you warm up a guy, sit him down after the Royals throw 51 pitches in the inning from hell and then warm him up again in the ninth when Kolek couldn't shut the door. You're focused on one action, but I'm talking about the entire series. Actually, it wasn't a bottom of the order guy, it was a really good hitter in Fermin. More the reason to bring in Suarez. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2024 16:30:36 GMT -8
It does not change the calculus. Even a grand slam doesn't beat you or even tie the game and you're trying to get one out against the bottom of the order.. It was a panic move to try and secure a win. You left Kolek in for eight batters, so someone screwed up one way or the other. I didn't even mention the fact they had already warmed Suarez up in the eighth inning of that game. So you warm up a guy, sit him down after the Royals throw 51 pitches in the inning from hell and then warm him up again in the ninth when Kolek couldn't shut the door. You're focused on one action, but I'm talking about the entire series. Actually, it wasn't a bottom of the order guy, it was a really good hitter in Fermin. More the reason to bring in Suarez. A guy with one home run and a .731 OPS for the season. You still didn't address yesterday at all. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 16:59:23 GMT -8
Actually, it wasn't a bottom of the order guy, it was a really good hitter in Fermin. More the reason to bring in Suarez. A guy with one home run and a .731 OPS for the season. You still didn't address yesterday at all. I'm not addressing yesterday, because Friday is what affected Suarez not being available today. A guy with one home run, but a guy who is a good hitter that can get on base for a guy like Velazquez to have a chance, like he did, and almost tie the game. I'm glad Suarez was brought in, but it didn't have to be that way. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2024 17:19:16 GMT -8
A guy with one home run and a .731 OPS for the season. You still didn't address yesterday at all. I'm not addressing yesterday, because Friday is what affected Suarez not being available today. A guy with one home run, but a guy who is a good hitter that can get on base for a guy like Velazquez to have a chance, like he did, and almost tie the game. I'm glad Suarez was brought in, but it didn't have to be that way. So if he didn't pitch yesterday, he would have been available today? You want to be intentionally manipulative. Not happening. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2024 17:49:46 GMT -8
I'm not addressing yesterday, because Friday is what affected Suarez not being available today. A guy with one home run, but a guy who is a good hitter that can get on base for a guy like Velazquez to have a chance, like he did, and almost tie the game. I'm glad Suarez was brought in, but it didn't have to be that way. So if he didn't pitch yesterday, he would have been available today? You want to be intentionally manipulative. Not happening. What do you mean manipulative? Stop going to a worse case scenario. I said if he didn't pitch Friday, not yesterday. I'm saying because he pitched Friday and yesterday, he wasn't available today. If he didn't pitch Friday he's available today for 3 outs. He only threw 6 pitches on Friday. I actually asked you that question earlier, but you didn't answer. |
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