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Post by johneaztec on Feb 28, 2024 9:19:25 GMT -8
Oh yeah, he's a total fan favorite. God I hate Pham. He's an entitled POS who acts like he's the only person to ever be booed. Survey the fans. A lot of Padres fans do not like Tommy Pham. And since you have an axe to grind and are incapable of reading neutral or positive thoughts, I really could not care less. You just compared a sexual predator to a guy who is lauded for his work ethic and on-field aptitude. Sorry, but no. He's talking about in baseball life only, and the potential repercussions of having a hot head on your team. A former teammate that has exhibited very poor behavior to some of his teammates and ex teammates. No bueno.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 28, 2024 9:20:45 GMT -8
Not only fans, but players as well. youtube.com/shorts/P7Bp8pfPAKg?si=_0qGHfGAlll9y01iTommy Pham praised by Arizona for removing himself from a game where he could have been the first player ever to go 5-5 in a World Series game to get a teammate an at-bat. As the Athletic article showed, he's revered by every team he's been on. Managers, coaches, players. Manny Machado is hated throughout the league...should we care? Not really. The goal is to win games. Never compare Manny Machado to Tommy Pham. Ridiculous.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 28, 2024 9:26:44 GMT -8
You keep saying that he needs more minor league development, I disagree. What are you watching in Spring Training and the Fall League that makes you say he needs more development in the Minors? He controls the strike zone better then most of the major leaguers on the Padres roster. He's been raking in the Fall League and so far in Spring Training. The only relevant point that you made is in regard to depth. The Fall League is a *terrible* single place of evaluation. Terrible. The pitching was as bad as it's ever been last year, as more and more teams don't send their best prospects. I talked with multiple industry folks that repeated that same message to me. Spring? It's 6 at-bats. Forgive me if I don't take your evaluations seriously, I trust what literally every person has told me. I'm not ready to hand a starting spot to a rookie with 16 games above A-ball on a contending team. Merrill is likely to make it, he's likely to be in center at this point. Marsee doesn't have power to profile in a corner. He can be sent down, rather easily, to accrue more time. You're saying the pitching was bad, and you're right that it was. But so what? Marsee performed the best out of all of the position players there in taking advantage of the bad pitching. That still says a lot that he was the best hitter there.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 9:44:53 GMT -8
The Fall League is a *terrible* single place of evaluation. Terrible. The pitching was as bad as it's ever been last year, as more and more teams don't send their best prospects. I talked with multiple industry folks that repeated that same message to me. Spring? It's 6 at-bats. Forgive me if I don't take your evaluations seriously, I trust what literally every person has told me. I'm not ready to hand a starting spot to a rookie with 16 games above A-ball on a contending team. Merrill is likely to make it, he's likely to be in center at this point. Marsee doesn't have power to profile in a corner. He can be sent down, rather easily, to accrue more time. You're saying the pitching was bad, and you're right that it was. But so what? Marsee performed the best out of all of the position players there in taking advantage of the bad pitching. That still says a lot that he was the best hitter there. It doesn't. It's like Arizona League stats, context is everything. It's certainly not indicative at all that he's going to be a 2 WAR rookie.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 28, 2024 12:30:28 GMT -8
You're saying the pitching was bad, and you're right that it was. But so what? Marsee performed the best out of all of the position players there in taking advantage of the bad pitching. That still says a lot that he was the best hitter there. It doesn't. It's like Arizona League stats, context is everything. It's certainly not indicative at all that he's going to be a 2 WAR rookie. He's going to have to break with the team to be a 2+ WAR rookie, which remains to be seen. However, you are acting like he's a young prospect that needs more seasoning when he doesn't. He's not a kid a year out of high school. He played in college. Marsee is 22. Merrill is 20.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 12:34:21 GMT -8
It doesn't. It's like Arizona League stats, context is everything. It's certainly not indicative at all that he's going to be a 2 WAR rookie. He's going to have to break with the team to be a 2+ WAR rookie, which remains to be seen. However, you are acting like he's a young prospect that needs more seasoning when he doesn't. He's not a kid a year out of high school. He played in college. Marsee is 22. Merrill is 20. He is a young prospect, last year was his first season of pro ball. Merrill has both a first round draft pedigree and more experience in the system. He's also the better prospect by a significant margin. Multiple evaluators have a fourth outfielder profile for Marsee. He's not ready to take every day AB's on a CONTENDING team. And I'm a fan of Marsee...but it's very simple: You can't have two rookies getting everyday AB's on a team with already thin margins.
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Post by aardvark on Feb 28, 2024 14:24:43 GMT -8
Actually, if you knew a bit more about him personally (especially some of his close family members), it might not be so surprising. One of his close family members got into it with a friend of mine after a game last season at The Omni. Tommy quickly left the scene (he was not directly involved). The charges are still pending in the local court system. So he wasn't even involved and somehow that correlates to owners not spending? Skeptical. Or...maybe he's pricing himself out of the market. Or the fact that he has been with 5 different teams in the last 3 seasons.
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Post by aardvark on Feb 28, 2024 14:32:49 GMT -8
You keep saying that he needs more minor league development, I disagree. What are you watching in Spring Training and the Fall League that makes you say he needs more development in the Minors? He controls the strike zone better then most of the major leaguers on the Padres roster. He's been raking in the Fall League and so far in Spring Training. The only relevant point that you made is in regard to depth. The Fall League is a *terrible* single place of evaluation. Terrible. The pitching was as bad as it's ever been last year, as more and more teams don't send their best prospects. I talked with multiple industry folks that repeated that same message to me. Spring? It's 6 at-bats. Forgive me if I don't take your evaluations seriously, I trust what literally every person has told me. I'm not ready to hand a starting spot to a rookie with 16 games above A-ball on a contending team. Merrill is likely to make it, he's likely to be in center at this point. Marsee doesn't have power to profile in a corner. He can be sent down, rather easily, to accrue more time. If the pitching was really "as bad as it's ever been", that doesn't say much for Pauley and Martorella for their work at the plate last fall.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 14:54:05 GMT -8
The Fall League is a *terrible* single place of evaluation. Terrible. The pitching was as bad as it's ever been last year, as more and more teams don't send their best prospects. I talked with multiple industry folks that repeated that same message to me. Spring? It's 6 at-bats. Forgive me if I don't take your evaluations seriously, I trust what literally every person has told me. I'm not ready to hand a starting spot to a rookie with 16 games above A-ball on a contending team. Merrill is likely to make it, he's likely to be in center at this point. Marsee doesn't have power to profile in a corner. He can be sent down, rather easily, to accrue more time. If the pitching was really "as bad as it's ever been", that doesn't say much for Pauley and Martorella for their work at the plate last fall. Luckily we have the entire season and advanced data to rely on, too.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 14:54:52 GMT -8
So he wasn't even involved and somehow that correlates to owners not spending? Skeptical. Or...maybe he's pricing himself out of the market. Or the fact that he has been with 5 different teams in the last 3 seasons. There is no "market"....which is kinda the point.
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Post by aardvark on Feb 28, 2024 15:02:04 GMT -8
Or...maybe he's pricing himself out of the market. Or the fact that he has been with 5 different teams in the last 3 seasons. There is no "market"....which is kinda the point. Collusion?
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 15:04:50 GMT -8
There is no "market"....which is kinda the point. Collusion? Somewhat. There's just no incentive for owners to actually spend. No penalty if they don't spend. Players will never agree to a cap, therefore there is no floor, but the optics are terrible. JD Martinez, Blake Snell, Pham, Michael A. Taylor, Jordan Montgomery, Matt Chapman...and so on. It's just not good for the sport at all.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 15:09:54 GMT -8
Somewhat. There's just no incentive for owners to actually spend. No penalty if they don't spend. Players will never agree to a cap, therefore there is no floor, but the optics are terrible. JD Martinez, Blake Snell, Pham, Michael A. Taylor, Jordan Montgomery, Matt Chapman...and so on. It's just not good for the sport at all. A lot of teams are using the TV contract limbo as a cover for payroll concerns, but the numbers reflect that baseball is taking in record revenues *despite* the TV issue.
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Post by aardvark on Feb 28, 2024 15:17:00 GMT -8
Somewhat. There's just no incentive for owners to actually spend. No penalty if they don't spend. Players will never agree to a cap, therefore there is no floor, but the optics are terrible. JD Martinez, Blake Snell, Pham, Michael A. Taylor, Jordan Montgomery, Matt Chapman...and so on. It's just not good for the sport at all. A lot of teams are using the TV contract limbo as a cover for payroll concerns, but the numbers reflect that baseball is taking in record revenues *despite* the TV issue. That could very well be true, but the Padres were definitely hard hit by that loss.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 15:19:19 GMT -8
A lot of teams are using the TV contract limbo as a cover for payroll concerns, but the numbers reflect that baseball is taking in record revenues *despite* the TV issue. That could very well be true, but the Padres were definitely hard hit by that loss. The key difference there is though they were already spending, whereas some of these owners are just cutting costs wherever they can.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 28, 2024 22:28:25 GMT -8
He's going to have to break with the team to be a 2+ WAR rookie, which remains to be seen. However, you are acting like he's a young prospect that needs more seasoning when he doesn't. He's not a kid a year out of high school. He played in college. Marsee is 22. Merrill is 20. He is a young prospect, last year was his first season of pro ball. Merrill has both a first round draft pedigree and more experience in the system. He's also the better prospect by a significant margin. Multiple evaluators have a fourth outfielder profile for Marsee. He's not ready to take every day AB's on a CONTENDING team. And I'm a fan of Marsee...but it's very simple: You can't have two rookies getting everyday AB's on a team with already thin margins. Obviously Merrill is the better prospect. But so what? Marsee can start in center if he can hit .275 avg/ .400 ops / .400 slg And that batting line is good enough to be a decent left fielder, even if it's not the prototypical corner bat that can hit for power. Marsee has better command of the strike zone then Merrill. Merrill has better bat control then Marsee. Merrill has a higher celing with better defense and more power (potential). But that doesn't mean that he's fully developed yet, he hasn't tapped into all of his power yet. Look, it wouldn't surprise me if Marsee starts the season in AAA and gets called up after the All Star Break. I'm just saying that I think that he's already there.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 29, 2024 8:40:46 GMT -8
He is a young prospect, last year was his first season of pro ball. Merrill has both a first round draft pedigree and more experience in the system. He's also the better prospect by a significant margin. Multiple evaluators have a fourth outfielder profile for Marsee. He's not ready to take every day AB's on a CONTENDING team. And I'm a fan of Marsee...but it's very simple: You can't have two rookies getting everyday AB's on a team with already thin margins. Obviously Merrill is the better prospect. But so what? Marsee can start in center if he can hit .275 avg/ .400 ops / .400 slg And that batting line is good enough to be a decent left fielder, even if it's not the prototypical corner bat that can hit for power. Marsee has better command of the strike zone then Merrill. Merrill has better bat control then Marsee. Merrill has a higher celing with better defense and more power (potential). But that doesn't mean that he's fully developed yet, he hasn't tapped into all of his power yet. Look, it wouldn't surprise me if Marsee starts the season in AAA and gets called up after the All Star Break. I'm just saying that I think that he's already there. Where do you pull these numbers from? Because they are laughable. ZiPS DC:.220/.325/.336 with a .298 wOBA. The BAT X: .233/.317/.373, with a .303 wOBA. ATC: .232/.327/.373, with a .310 wOBA. Steamer; .233/.331/.361, with a .308 wOBA. Six players in all of baseball posted a .400 OBP last season: Judge, Freeman, Alvarez, Goldschmidt, Diaz, Soto. That's it. There is no planet where Marsee posts that slash line given his current skill set at the major league level. "Jackson Merrill had just a 79.8% in-zone contact rate in his pro debut, but you wouldn’t know that if you only looked at him now. This year Jackson Merrill made contact 90.4% of the time on pitches in the strike zone, and 84.9% overall. Both of those figures are the second best out of any player drafted in 2021 (Min 250 PA) behind only Caleb Durbin of the Braves. Both the contact rate and in-zone contact rate are in the 97th percentile of all players in the majors or minors. He has gone from average contact rates a year ago to some of the best contact skills in the sport. Merrill isn’t just hitting one type of pitch either. He is hitting all of them. Merrill makes contact 90% of the time against fastball in the zone which is obviously exceptional. He shows almost no variance against top-end velocity as he still has an 89.2% in-zone contact rate against fastballs at the MLB average velocity or higher. He also has no trouble with flat fastballs as he makes contact 85.7% of the time in the zone when the VAA is flatter than -4.5° (92nd percentile). Similarly, he crushes steep VAA fastballs at an even higher level. He hits fastballs with plus horizontal movement and he hits them inside or out. There is no place where he won’t at least make contact with the fastball." I'd expect a college draftee who has seen advanced pitching to control the zone better. Merrill chased at a slightly aggressive 30% last year, but only struck out at a 12% clip. His quality of contact was also excellent. Having both him and Marsee up is not a great situation, without quality options around them. If one struggles, it forces the other one to really have to step up and produce: You don't want Jurickson Profar getting 450 plate appearances on this team.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 29, 2024 14:18:45 GMT -8
Would allow Marsee time to develop and fill in at DH.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 29, 2024 14:45:53 GMT -8
Would allow Marsee time to develop and fill in at DH. Might be the only option instead of going with youth, unfortunately.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 29, 2024 15:48:45 GMT -8
Would allow Marsee time to develop and fill in at DH. Might be the only option instead of going with youth, unfortunately. Would make the team better on multiple levels.
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