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Post by johneaztec on Feb 27, 2024 21:15:08 GMT -8
Too funny. Here's just a few Tommy (The Hot Head) Pham moments, He called out that same Mets team, under Showalter, and called them the least hard working team. You're really going to enamor your teammates with call outs like that. The same Tommy Pham cursed out, on live television, his Padres teammate (I think it was Kim) for almost colliding with him on a pop out. Yeah, that's real professional. His teammates sure didn't like that. The same Tommy Pham who slapped Joc Peterson over a BET. Sheesh. The same Tommy Pham who continually gets into it with fans. Rabbit ears. The same Tommy Pham who wanted to fight Luke Voit. "I know how to get down really well." We all know what happened at Pacers. Wow. Shall I go on? No, because you sound like an uninformed, bitter and resentful person, misrepresenting facts all over the place. Bitter? Resentful? It didn't happen to me!!! Sheesh. Truth hurts. These are facts. Things that happened. If you would like to expand on these issues, go ahead. How am I uninformed? Go ahead and represent them.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 27, 2024 21:25:43 GMT -8
No, because you sound like an uninformed, bitter and resentful person, misrepresenting facts all over the place. Bitter? Resentful? It didn't happen to me!!! Sheesh. Truth hurts. These are facts. Things that happened. If you would like to expand on these issues, go ahead. How am I uninformed? Facts...lol. Facts without context (even your jaded, bitter level of context) are meaningless. Most of the stuff you're referencing means very little. Regarding the Mets: A lot had to go wrong for the Mets to go from World Series contenders to trade deadline sellers in four short months -- including major injuries, underperformance, and a flawed roster that wasn't able to sustain the hits it took. But according to Tommy Pham, the 2023 Mets also didn't work hard enough. In a wide-ranging story by Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic on New York's failed season, Pham -- who was traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks at the deadline -- is quoted as telling Francisco Lindor about his concerns regarding the Mets position players' work ethic. "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players I’ve ever played with," Pham said he told Lindor. Pham added to The Athletic that he had "a lot of respect for the work ethics of" Lindor, Pete Alonso, and Brandon Nimmo. Still, Lindor didn't disagree with Pham's initial assessment. "Hey man, thank you for teaching me how to work hard again," he told Pham. Said Nimmo about the work ethic of the position players: "Each person needs to assess that individually," he told The Athletic. "You can only lead a horse to water; you can’t make him drink. Ultimately, a lot of this comes down to individuals and what they’re willing to do." The Mets had well-chronicled culture issues inside the clubhouse that led to Showalter not returning, so looks like Pham was right on the money there. Pacers? You mean where he won the lawsuit against the company and was cleared of any wrongdoing? Swing and a miss. Joc Peterson? Fantasy football. Non-story. I sat out down the left field line and heard some of the stuff Pham dealt with at Petco. Ugly. No place for it. Here's the bottom line: The team would be better off with him on it. The fact he doesn't have an offer (along with many, many other good players) has zero to do with any perceived issue with him and has everything to do with the trajectory of baseball as a whole right now. Owners don't want to spend money.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 27, 2024 21:28:34 GMT -8
Bitter? Resentful? It didn't happen to me!!! Sheesh. Truth hurts. These are facts. Things that happened. If you would like to expand on these issues, go ahead. How am I uninformed? Facts...lol. Facts without context (even your jaded, bitter level of context) are meaningless. Most of the stuff you're referencing means very little. Regarding the Mets: A lot had to go wrong for the Mets to go from World Series contenders to trade deadline sellers in four short months -- including major injuries, underperformance, and a flawed roster that wasn't able to sustain the hits it took. But according to Tommy Pham, the 2023 Mets also didn't work hard enough. In a wide-ranging story by Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic on New York's failed season, Pham -- who was traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks at the deadline -- is quoted as telling Francisco Lindor about his concerns regarding the Mets position players' work ethic. "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players I’ve ever played with," Pham said he told Lindor. Pham added to The Athletic that he had "a lot of respect for the work ethics of" Lindor, Pete Alonso, and Brandon Nimmo. Still, Lindor didn't disagree with Pham's initial assessment. "Hey man, thank you for teaching me how to work hard again," he told Pham. Said Nimmo about the work ethic of the position players: "Each person needs to assess that individually," he told The Athletic. "You can only lead a horse to water; you can’t make him drink. Ultimately, a lot of this comes down to individuals and what they’re willing to do." The Mets had well-chronicled culture issues inside the clubhouse that led to Showalter not returning, so looks like Pham was right on the money there. Pacers? You mean where he won the lawsuit against the company and was cleared of any wrongdoing? Swing and a miss. Joc Peterson? Fantasy football. Non-story. I sat out down the left field line and heard some of the stuff Pham dealt with at Petco. Ugly. No place for it. Here's the bottom line: The team would be better off with him on it. The fact he doesn't have an offer (along with many, many other good players) has zero to do with any perceived issue with him and has everything to do with the trajectory of baseball as a whole right now. Owners don't want to spend money. I feel about Pham the same way that you feel about Bauer. Pham is toxic to clubhouses and picks fights with everyone. We would not be better off with him. Hard pass.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 27, 2024 21:38:49 GMT -8
Bitter? Resentful? It didn't happen to me!!! Sheesh. Truth hurts. These are facts. Things that happened. If you would like to expand on these issues, go ahead. How am I uninformed? Facts...lol. Facts without context (even your jaded, bitter level of context) are meaningless. Most of the stuff you're referencing means very little. Regarding the Mets: A lot had to go wrong for the Mets to go from World Series contenders to trade deadline sellers in four short months -- including major injuries, underperformance, and a flawed roster that wasn't able to sustain the hits it took. But according to Tommy Pham, the 2023 Mets also didn't work hard enough. In a wide-ranging story by Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic on New York's failed season, Pham -- who was traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks at the deadline -- is quoted as telling Francisco Lindor about his concerns regarding the Mets position players' work ethic. "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players I’ve ever played with," Pham said he told Lindor. Pham added to The Athletic that he had "a lot of respect for the work ethics of" Lindor, Pete Alonso, and Brandon Nimmo. Still, Lindor didn't disagree with Pham's initial assessment. "Hey man, thank you for teaching me how to work hard again," he told Pham. Said Nimmo about the work ethic of the position players: "Each person needs to assess that individually," he told The Athletic. "You can only lead a horse to water; you can’t make him drink. Ultimately, a lot of this comes down to individuals and what they’re willing to do." The Mets had well-chronicled culture issues inside the clubhouse that led to Showalter not returning, so looks like Pham was right on the money there. Pacers? You mean where he won the lawsuit against the company and was cleared of any wrongdoing? Swing and a miss. Joc Peterson? Fantasy football. Non-story. I sat out down the left field line and heard some of the stuff Pham dealt with at Petco. Ugly. No place for it. Here's the bottom line: The team would be better off with him on it. The fact he doesn't have an offer (along with many, many other good players) has zero to do with any perceived issue with him and has everything to do with the trajectory of baseball as a whole right now. Owners don't want to spend money. You added zero context. What you added was fluff. The only swing and miss is by you. You don't speak out like that where it's obviously going to get out. Call out players. Sheesh. He's not the only player that has been brutally verbalized. I've heard it all as a player, and as a fan, and I've never witnessed retaliation to the extent that Pham exhibits. Again, he's got a really bad case of rabbit ears. He's a hot head. You just glossed over the Peterson and Kim incident. I get it when you're a fan of his. As a matter of fact, I personally wouldn't mind him coming back if all we've got is rookies in Center Field. He apparently likes Shildt, so you never know. He would just need to wear ear muffs, stay at home and respect ALL of his teammates. That might be tough for him, but it might be worth a shot.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 27, 2024 21:39:27 GMT -8
Facts...lol. Facts without context (even your jaded, bitter level of context) are meaningless. Most of the stuff you're referencing means very little. Regarding the Mets: A lot had to go wrong for the Mets to go from World Series contenders to trade deadline sellers in four short months -- including major injuries, underperformance, and a flawed roster that wasn't able to sustain the hits it took. But according to Tommy Pham, the 2023 Mets also didn't work hard enough. In a wide-ranging story by Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic on New York's failed season, Pham -- who was traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks at the deadline -- is quoted as telling Francisco Lindor about his concerns regarding the Mets position players' work ethic. "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players I’ve ever played with," Pham said he told Lindor. Pham added to The Athletic that he had "a lot of respect for the work ethics of" Lindor, Pete Alonso, and Brandon Nimmo. Still, Lindor didn't disagree with Pham's initial assessment. "Hey man, thank you for teaching me how to work hard again," he told Pham. Said Nimmo about the work ethic of the position players: "Each person needs to assess that individually," he told The Athletic. "You can only lead a horse to water; you can’t make him drink. Ultimately, a lot of this comes down to individuals and what they’re willing to do." The Mets had well-chronicled culture issues inside the clubhouse that led to Showalter not returning, so looks like Pham was right on the money there. Pacers? You mean where he won the lawsuit against the company and was cleared of any wrongdoing? Swing and a miss. Joc Peterson? Fantasy football. Non-story. I sat out down the left field line and heard some of the stuff Pham dealt with at Petco. Ugly. No place for it. Here's the bottom line: The team would be better off with him on it. The fact he doesn't have an offer (along with many, many other good players) has zero to do with any perceived issue with him and has everything to do with the trajectory of baseball as a whole right now. Owners don't want to spend money. I feel about Pham the same way that you feel about Bauer. Pham is toxic to clubhouses and picks fights with everyone. We would not be better off with him. Hard pass. Yep. The only way I would take him back is if you had a real talk with him and he would need to toe the line. Some of his teammates probably wouldn't be on board with it.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 27, 2024 21:42:25 GMT -8
Facts...lol. Facts without context (even your jaded, bitter level of context) are meaningless. Most of the stuff you're referencing means very little. Regarding the Mets: A lot had to go wrong for the Mets to go from World Series contenders to trade deadline sellers in four short months -- including major injuries, underperformance, and a flawed roster that wasn't able to sustain the hits it took. But according to Tommy Pham, the 2023 Mets also didn't work hard enough. In a wide-ranging story by Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic on New York's failed season, Pham -- who was traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks at the deadline -- is quoted as telling Francisco Lindor about his concerns regarding the Mets position players' work ethic. "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players I’ve ever played with," Pham said he told Lindor. Pham added to The Athletic that he had "a lot of respect for the work ethics of" Lindor, Pete Alonso, and Brandon Nimmo. Still, Lindor didn't disagree with Pham's initial assessment. "Hey man, thank you for teaching me how to work hard again," he told Pham. Said Nimmo about the work ethic of the position players: "Each person needs to assess that individually," he told The Athletic. "You can only lead a horse to water; you can’t make him drink. Ultimately, a lot of this comes down to individuals and what they’re willing to do." The Mets had well-chronicled culture issues inside the clubhouse that led to Showalter not returning, so looks like Pham was right on the money there. Pacers? You mean where he won the lawsuit against the company and was cleared of any wrongdoing? Swing and a miss. Joc Peterson? Fantasy football. Non-story. I sat out down the left field line and heard some of the stuff Pham dealt with at Petco. Ugly. No place for it. Here's the bottom line: The team would be better off with him on it. The fact he doesn't have an offer (along with many, many other good players) has zero to do with any perceived issue with him and has everything to do with the trajectory of baseball as a whole right now. Owners don't want to spend money. You added zero context. What you added was fluff. The only swing and miss is by you. It only means very little to YOU. You don't speak out like that where it's obviously going to get out. Call out players. Sheesh. He's not the only player that has been brutally verbalized. I've heard it all as a player, and as a fan, and I've never witnessed retaliation to the extent that Pham exhibits. Again, he's got a really bad case of rabbit ears. He's a hot head. You just glossed over the Pederson, Voit and Kim incident. I get it when you're a fan of his. Not really. As a matter of fact, I personally wouldn't mind him coming back if all we've got is rookies in Center Field. He apparently likes Shildt, so you never know. He would just need to wear ear muffs, stay at home and respect ALL of his teammates. That might be tough for him, but it might be worth a shot.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 27, 2024 22:16:57 GMT -8
I feel about Pham the same way that you feel about Bauer. Pham is toxic to clubhouses and picks fights with everyone. We would not be better off with him. Hard pass. Yep. The only way I would take him back is if you had a real talk with him and he would need to toe the line. Some of his teammates probably wouldn't be on board with it. Well and the difference between Pham and Bauer is that Pham has already played in San Diego before. He had issues here. He had issues with the fans. He had the stabbing incident, which is not completely his fault, but it is his fault for putting himself in that position (sound familiar? you could say the same about Bauer). In contrast, Bauer hasn't played for SD before, he doesn't have beef with our fans or our clubhouse. I'd rather take Bauer before I would take Pham, and FWIW I think that we could use another starting pitcher more then another outfielder. Marsee and Merrill are going to turn heads and each will be 2+ WAR, Azocar will be serviceable, and Profar will likely be marginal. I'd rather have another starter (and be able to turn to our enormous depth of minor league starting pitchers with options as needed throughout the season), versus signing someone like Pham, and feeling compelled to give him 500 AB's, and take away from Merrill and Marsee's AB's (who need consistent at bats).
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 27, 2024 22:25:55 GMT -8
Yep. The only way I would take him back is if you had a real talk with him and he would need to toe the line. Some of his teammates probably wouldn't be on board with it. Well and the difference between Pham and Bauer is that Pham has already played in San Diego before. He had issues here. He had issues with the fans. He had the stabbing incident, which is not completely his fault, but it is his fault for putting himself in that position (sound familiar? you could say the same about Bauer). In contrast, Bauer hasn't played for SD before, he doesn't have beef with our fans or our clubhouse. I'd rather take Bauer before I would take Pham, and FWIW I think that we could use another starting pitcher more then another outfielder. Marsee and Merrill are going to turn heads and each will be 2+ WAR, Azocar will be serviceable, and Profar will likely be marginal. I'd rather have another starter (and be able to turn to our enormous depth of minor league starting pitchers with options as needed throughout the season), versus signing someone like Pham, and feeling compelled to give him 500 AB's, and take away from Merrill and Marsee's AB's (who need consistent at bats). Yes, I like the two rookies. I would fine with them as well. My preference would be for Pham not be on the Padres roster. He wore out his welcome here.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 7:49:11 GMT -8
Facts...lol. Facts without context (even your jaded, bitter level of context) are meaningless. Most of the stuff you're referencing means very little. Regarding the Mets: A lot had to go wrong for the Mets to go from World Series contenders to trade deadline sellers in four short months -- including major injuries, underperformance, and a flawed roster that wasn't able to sustain the hits it took. But according to Tommy Pham, the 2023 Mets also didn't work hard enough. In a wide-ranging story by Tim Britton and Will Sammon of The Athletic on New York's failed season, Pham -- who was traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks at the deadline -- is quoted as telling Francisco Lindor about his concerns regarding the Mets position players' work ethic. "Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players I’ve ever played with," Pham said he told Lindor. Pham added to The Athletic that he had "a lot of respect for the work ethics of" Lindor, Pete Alonso, and Brandon Nimmo. Still, Lindor didn't disagree with Pham's initial assessment. "Hey man, thank you for teaching me how to work hard again," he told Pham. Said Nimmo about the work ethic of the position players: "Each person needs to assess that individually," he told The Athletic. "You can only lead a horse to water; you can’t make him drink. Ultimately, a lot of this comes down to individuals and what they’re willing to do." The Mets had well-chronicled culture issues inside the clubhouse that led to Showalter not returning, so looks like Pham was right on the money there. Pacers? You mean where he won the lawsuit against the company and was cleared of any wrongdoing? Swing and a miss. Joc Peterson? Fantasy football. Non-story. I sat out down the left field line and heard some of the stuff Pham dealt with at Petco. Ugly. No place for it. Here's the bottom line: The team would be better off with him on it. The fact he doesn't have an offer (along with many, many other good players) has zero to do with any perceived issue with him and has everything to do with the trajectory of baseball as a whole right now. Owners don't want to spend money. I feel about Pham the same way that you feel about Bauer. Pham is toxic to clubhouses and picks fights with everyone. We would not be better off with him. Hard pass. And that's the silliest thing I've ever heard. One guy is revered by literally every team he's ever been on, due to his work ethic and overcoming his eye condition...the other is a piece of trash that nobody wants anywhere, no teammates vouch for and belongs as far away as possible. Trying to equate the two is honestly disgusting and shows a lack of character.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 7:58:34 GMT -8
As it should be. This team doesn't need Merrill and Marsee breaking the club together. Marsee needs more minor league development and your depth is toast at that point. They need a LF/DH combo at this point to pencil a guy in for 400+ at-bats and more certainty. Merrill is likely going to make it.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 8:23:04 GMT -8
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 28, 2024 8:28:17 GMT -8
As it should be. This team doesn't need Merrill and Marsee breaking the club together. Marsee needs more minor league development and your depth is toast at that point. They need a LF/DH combo at this point to pencil a guy in for 400+ at-bats and more certainty. Merrill is likely going to make it. You keep saying that he needs more minor league development, I disagree. What are you watching in Spring Training and the Fall League that makes you say he needs more development in the Minors? He controls the strike zone better then most of the major leaguers on the Padres roster. He's been raking in the Fall League and so far in Spring Training. The only relevant point that you made is in regard to depth.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 28, 2024 8:30:49 GMT -8
I feel about Pham the same way that you feel about Bauer. Pham is toxic to clubhouses and picks fights with everyone. We would not be better off with him. Hard pass. And that's the silliest thing I've ever heard. One guy is revered by literally every team he's ever been on, due to his work ethic and overcoming his eye condition...the other is a piece of trash that nobody wants anywhere, no teammates vouch for and belongs as far away as possible. Trying to equate the two is honestly disgusting and shows a lack of character. Oh yeah, he's a total fan favorite. God I hate Pham. He's an entitled POS who acts like he's the only person to ever be booed. Survey the fans. A lot of Padres fans do not like Tommy Pham.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 28, 2024 8:50:55 GMT -8
I feel about Pham the same way that you feel about Bauer. Pham is toxic to clubhouses and picks fights with everyone. We would not be better off with him. Hard pass. And that's the silliest thing I've ever heard. One guy is revered by literally every team he's ever been on, due to his work ethic and overcoming his eye condition...the other is a piece of trash that nobody wants anywhere, no teammates vouch for and belongs as far away as possible. Trying to equate the two is honestly disgusting and shows a lack of character. I would say some of the Managers of teams may revere him, but not some of his teammates, that's for sure. He's willing to throw them under the bus at any moment, no problem. I wouldn't run with what Showalter says as something across the board. Shoot, Pham threw him, and some of his players under the bus as well. There's no debating he has anger issues, evidenced by his MANY fights/spats with teammates, opposing players, and fans, etc.... The epitome of a hot head. I like a fiery guy, but someone that's under control. That guy's a loose cannon.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 28, 2024 8:51:51 GMT -8
And that's the silliest thing I've ever heard. One guy is revered by literally every team he's ever been on, due to his work ethic and overcoming his eye condition...the other is a piece of trash that nobody wants anywhere, no teammates vouch for and belongs as far away as possible. Trying to equate the two is honestly disgusting and shows a lack of character. Oh yeah, he's a total fan favorite. God I hate Pham. He's an entitled POS who acts like he's the only person to ever be booed. Survey the fans. A lot of Padres fans do not like Tommy Pham. Not only fans, but players as well.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 8:58:56 GMT -8
As it should be. This team doesn't need Merrill and Marsee breaking the club together. Marsee needs more minor league development and your depth is toast at that point. They need a LF/DH combo at this point to pencil a guy in for 400+ at-bats and more certainty. Merrill is likely going to make it. You keep saying that he needs more minor league development, I disagree. What are you watching in Spring Training and the Fall League that makes you say he needs more development in the Minors? He controls the strike zone better then most of the major leaguers on the Padres roster. He's been raking in the Fall League and so far in Spring Training. The only relevant point that you made is in regard to depth. The Fall League is a *terrible* single place of evaluation. Terrible. The pitching was as bad as it's ever been last year, as more and more teams don't send their best prospects. I talked with multiple industry folks that repeated that same message to me. Spring? It's 6 at-bats. Forgive me if I don't take your evaluations seriously, I trust what literally every person has told me. I'm not ready to hand a starting spot to a rookie with 16 games above A-ball on a contending team. Merrill is likely to make it, he's likely to be in center at this point. Marsee doesn't have power to profile in a corner. He can be sent down, rather easily, to accrue more time.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 9:00:13 GMT -8
And that's the silliest thing I've ever heard. One guy is revered by literally every team he's ever been on, due to his work ethic and overcoming his eye condition...the other is a piece of trash that nobody wants anywhere, no teammates vouch for and belongs as far away as possible. Trying to equate the two is honestly disgusting and shows a lack of character. Oh yeah, he's a total fan favorite. God I hate Pham. He's an entitled POS who acts like he's the only person to ever be booed. Survey the fans. A lot of Padres fans do not like Tommy Pham. And since you have an axe to grind and are incapable of reading neutral or positive thoughts, I really could not care less. You just compared a sexual predator to a guy who is lauded for his work ethic and on-field aptitude. Sorry, but no.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 9:03:02 GMT -8
Oh yeah, he's a total fan favorite. God I hate Pham. He's an entitled POS who acts like he's the only person to ever be booed. Survey the fans. A lot of Padres fans do not like Tommy Pham. Not only fans, but players as well. I guess you can't read. I get that you just want to make things up to suit and further an agenda, but it's false.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 28, 2024 9:13:12 GMT -8
Oh yeah, he's a total fan favorite. God I hate Pham. He's an entitled POS who acts like he's the only person to ever be booed. Survey the fans. A lot of Padres fans do not like Tommy Pham. Not only fans, but players as well. youtube.com/shorts/P7Bp8pfPAKg?si=_0qGHfGAlll9y01iTommy Pham praised by Arizona for removing himself from a game where he could have been the first player ever to go 5-5 in a World Series game to get a teammate an at-bat. As the Athletic article showed, he's revered by every team he's been on. Managers, coaches, players. Manny Machado is hated throughout the league...should we care? Not really. The goal is to win games.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 28, 2024 9:16:07 GMT -8
Not only fans, but players as well. youtube.com/shorts/P7Bp8pfPAKg?si=_0qGHfGAlll9y01iTommy Pham praised by Arizona for removing himself from a game where he could have been the first player ever to go 5-5 in a World Series game to get a teammate an at-bat. As the Athletic article showed, he's revered by every team he's been on. Managers, coaches, players. Manny Machado is hated throughout the league...should we care? Not really. The goal is to win games. Yeah, I know all about that gesture. That was great, but he's a loose cannon. Not good.
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