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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2024 22:28:09 GMT -8
Eguy is a wrong side of the platoon bat. It's the right side of a platoon bat actually. Cronenworth's numbers are horrible against lefties, and Arraez is weak to lefties as well. Eguy can absolutely play second base - and if Arraez can play first as a short player that throws right-handed, so can Eguy (not that Arraez at first is 'ideal' by any stretch of the imagination LOL). Not to mention, Eguy has very little sample size at the major league level. What are Eguy's platoon splits at AAA this year? No, it's the wrong side since you see righties way more frequently than lefties. Wrong side/short side, however you want to describe it. I don't care about his PCL numbers, they mean nothing in the real world. He hit .245 off righties, .290 off lefties. He's not really viewed as a piece. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 11, 2024 22:33:09 GMT -8
It's the right side of a platoon bat actually. Cronenworth's numbers are horrible against lefties, and Arraez is weak to lefties as well. Eguy can absolutely play second base - and if Arraez can play first as a short player that throws right-handed, so can Eguy (not that Arraez at first is 'ideal' by any stretch of the imagination LOL). Not to mention, Eguy has very little sample size at the major league level. What are Eguy's platoon splits at AAA this year? No, it's the wrong side since you see righties way more frequently than lefties. Wrong side/short side, however you want to describe it. I don't care about his PCL numbers, they mean nothing in the real world. He hit .245 off righties, .290 off lefties. He's not really viewed as a piece. .290 against lefties is underselling it. His numbers against lefties were insane - .870 slugging, 1.217 ops. But again, only 54 PA's against righties, only 46 against lefties. That's why minor league context would be nice, to see if his platoon splits weren't as drastic there. He would be a great bench bat to give Arraez or Cronenworth a day off against a lefty starter. You would ideally like one guy on each side of the platoon splits as a bat off the bench/to start when getting a favorable starting matchup. I get that it doesn't come up as often, and that lefty bats are more valuable, but still - Cronenworth and Arraez really do not do well against LHP. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2024 22:40:04 GMT -8
No, it's the wrong side since you see righties way more frequently than lefties. Wrong side/short side, however you want to describe it. I don't care about his PCL numbers, they mean nothing in the real world. He hit .245 off righties, .290 off lefties. He's not really viewed as a piece. .290 against lefties is underselling it. His numbers against lefties were insane - .870 slugging, 1.217 ops. But again, only 54 PA's against righties, only 46 against lefties. That's why minor league context would be nice, to see if his platoon splits weren't as drastic there. He would be a great bench bat to give Arraez or Cronenworth a day off against a lefty starter. You would ideally like one guy on each side of the platoon splits as a bat off the bench/to start when getting a favorable starting matchup. I get that it doesn't come up as often, and that lefty bats are more valuable, but still - Cronenworth and Arraez really do not do well against LHP. Arraez is mostly fine, Cronenworth has never really hit lefties. I don't think Eguy figures much into the puzzle at this point. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 11, 2024 23:08:03 GMT -8
This is exactly what I was afraid of. Starting Cease has pretty drastic consequences. This was just panicking. Like you said, you said this in the second inning. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 11, 2024 23:10:10 GMT -8
It's one run. Hopefully he can stay sharp. He's not sharp at all, that's kinda the problem. And, then you said this after the second inning, as well. To say he wasn't sharp that early, didn't age well, especially when his breaking pitches were looking good and his change of speeds. That was very evident. It was way too early to be saying anything, is my point, and that's why I responded that it was only one run at the time. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2024 23:18:20 GMT -8
No, it's the wrong side since you see righties way more frequently than lefties. Wrong side/short side, however you want to describe it. I don't care about his PCL numbers, they mean nothing in the real world. He hit .245 off righties, .290 off lefties. He's not really viewed as a piece. .290 against lefties is underselling it. His numbers against lefties were insane - .870 slugging, 1.217 ops. But again, only 54 PA's against righties, only 46 against lefties. That's why minor league context would be nice, to see if his platoon splits weren't as drastic there. He would be a great bench bat to give Arraez or Cronenworth a day off against a lefty starter. You would ideally like one guy on each side of the platoon splits as a bat off the bench/to start when getting a favorable starting matchup. I get that it doesn't come up as often, and that lefty bats are more valuable, but still - Cronenworth and Arraez really do not do well against LHP. What's actually interesting to me is how they replace the bench production and cohesion, especially with having to fill multiple spots. Peralta and Solano were budget finds, that's going to be tough to duplicate. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2024 23:18:48 GMT -8
This is exactly what I was afraid of. Starting Cease has pretty drastic consequences. This was just panicking. Like you said, you said this in the second inning. Okay. Move on. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 11, 2024 23:20:28 GMT -8
He's not sharp at all, that's kinda the problem. And, then you said this after the second inning, as well. To say he wasn't sharp that early, didn't age well, especially when his breaking pitches were looking good and his change of speeds. That was very evident. It was way too early to be saying anything, is my point, and that's why I responded that it was only one run at the time. That's your opinion. I don't share it. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 11, 2024 23:28:43 GMT -8
.290 against lefties is underselling it. His numbers against lefties were insane - .870 slugging, 1.217 ops. But again, only 54 PA's against righties, only 46 against lefties. That's why minor league context would be nice, to see if his platoon splits weren't as drastic there. He would be a great bench bat to give Arraez or Cronenworth a day off against a lefty starter. You would ideally like one guy on each side of the platoon splits as a bat off the bench/to start when getting a favorable starting matchup. I get that it doesn't come up as often, and that lefty bats are more valuable, but still - Cronenworth and Arraez really do not do well against LHP. What's actually interesting to me is how they replace the bench production and cohesion, especially with having to fill multiple spots. Peralta and Solano were budget finds, that's going to be tough to duplicate. They are both old, and with negative dWAR. I mean. How much are they really going to command in FA? |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 12, 2024 7:27:00 GMT -8
What's actually interesting to me is how they replace the bench production and cohesion, especially with having to fill multiple spots. Peralta and Solano were budget finds, that's going to be tough to duplicate. They are both old, and with negative dWAR. I mean. How much are they really going to command in FA? I'm saying the fit is going to be hard to replace. I wouldn't be surprised if both got decent one-year deals. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 12, 2024 8:15:05 GMT -8
There isn't much point to talking about how the Padres can contend in 2025. The Dodgers will have Ohtani on the mound, and if he even comes back to 90% of what he was as a pitcher the Dodgers are almost a lock to get to the WS in 2025. The only way they don't get to the WS next year is if they have a bad week in October. They're a 100 win team in 2025.
So it doesn't matter what the Padres do. Besides, the Padres are an aging team with long term, big money contracts with players who are both aging and declining.
This was our window of opportunity. It is now closed.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 12, 2024 9:12:20 GMT -8
There isn't much point to talking about how the Padres can contend in 2025. The Dodgers will have Ohtani on the mound, and if he even comes back to 90% of what he was as a pitcher the Dodgers are almost a lock to get to the WS in 2025. The only way they don't get to the WS next year is if they have a bad week in October. They're a 100 win team in 2025. So it doesn't matter what the Padres do. Besides, the Padres are an aging team with long term, big money contracts with players who are both aging and declining. This was our window of opportunity. It is now closed. We have Cease, Darvish, King. Plus other decent guys like Waldron. We will have a good bullpen next year. The key will be replacing guys like Profar, Peralta, Solano, Kim. We need at least one everyday corner bat, that will command a high price in prospects or cash, and then we need to get lucky with a few role players signings on cheap one year deals. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 12, 2024 9:19:10 GMT -8
There isn't much point to talking about how the Padres can contend in 2025. The Dodgers will have Ohtani on the mound, and if he even comes back to 90% of what he was as a pitcher the Dodgers are almost a lock to get to the WS in 2025. The only way they don't get to the WS next year is if they have a bad week in October. They're a 100 win team in 2025. So it doesn't matter what the Padres do. Besides, the Padres are an aging team with long term, big money contracts with players who are both aging and declining. This was our window of opportunity. It is now closed. We have Cease, Darvish, King. Plus other decent guys like Waldron. We will have a good bullpen next year. The key will be replacing guys like Profar, Peralta, Solano, Kim. We need at least one everyday corner bat, that will command a high price in prospects or cash, and then we need to get lucky with a few role players signings on cheap one year deals. The Dodgers have no weak links. And they've got Ohtani on the mound next year as well as being the DH. We have to deal with Machado's decline, Bogaerts decline, and Darvish's inevitable decline (he IS 38 years old). They're all under big money, long term contracts that will choke out the Pads ability to replace them with younger, better talent. We also have the declining Cronenworth on a long term contract. I'd rather have Kim than Bogaerts at this point, but that's not going to happen. The Padres are going to decline next year, and probably the year after that. As long as we have old players who are in their declining years under big money long term contracts the team is screwed. They went all in to contend last year and this year, and it didn't work. They were close to being a WS team this year, but the weaknesses in the roster killed them against the Dodgers. |
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 12, 2024 9:29:49 GMT -8
We have Cease, Darvish, King. Plus other decent guys like Waldron. We will have a good bullpen next year. The key will be replacing guys like Profar, Peralta, Solano, Kim. We need at least one everyday corner bat, that will command a high price in prospects or cash, and then we need to get lucky with a few role players signings on cheap one year deals. The Dodgers have no weak links. And they've got Ohtani on the mound next year as well as being the DH. We have to deal with Machado's decline, Bogaerts decline, and Darvish's inevitable decline (he IS 38 years old). They're all under big money, long term contracts that will choke out the Pads ability to replace them with younger, better talent. We also have the declining Cronenworth on a long term contract. I'd rather have Kim than Bogaerts at this point, but that's not going to happen. The Padres are going to decline next year, and probably the year after that. As long as we have old players who are in their declining years under big money long term contracts the team is screwed. They went all in to contend last year and this year, and it didn't work. They were close to being a WS team this year, but the weaknesses in the roster killed them against the Dodgers. I mean, they can be better then us all they want - doesn't mean that they are necessarily going to win. Only one player can hit at a time, only one pitcher can be on the mound at a time. We were better then them going into this series, and we lost. They were better then us in 2022, and we won the series. We are going to be competitive, alongside the Diamondbacks and Dodgers. We can win a WC slot again. We don't have to get 100 wins to get to the WS. |
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Post by junior on Oct 12, 2024 9:36:31 GMT -8
The story of this franchise is consistency. It’s always failure. Doesn’t matter the players, decades, owners, general managers, field managers, coaches... They are the Chargers without all the extra gear. And this year's sweepstakes entry just Chargered their way into yet another embarrassing failure. 24 consecutive shutout innings. It’s in their DNA.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 12, 2024 9:42:00 GMT -8
The Dodgers have no weak links. And they've got Ohtani on the mound next year as well as being the DH. We have to deal with Machado's decline, Bogaerts decline, and Darvish's inevitable decline (he IS 38 years old). They're all under big money, long term contracts that will choke out the Pads ability to replace them with younger, better talent. We also have the declining Cronenworth on a long term contract. I'd rather have Kim than Bogaerts at this point, but that's not going to happen. The Padres are going to decline next year, and probably the year after that. As long as we have old players who are in their declining years under big money long term contracts the team is screwed. They went all in to contend last year and this year, and it didn't work. They were close to being a WS team this year, but the weaknesses in the roster killed them against the Dodgers. I mean, they can be better then us all they want - doesn't mean that they are necessarily going to win. Only one player can hit at a time, only one pitcher can be on the mound at a time. We were better then them going into this series, and we lost. They were better then us in 2022, and we won the series. We are going to be competitive, alongside the Diamondbacks and Dodgers. We can win a WC slot again. We don't have to get 100 wins to get to the WS. We were not better than the Dodgers going in to this series. That was smoke and mirrors. We had glaring weaknesses in our roster that hadn't hurt us in the regular season, but the Dodgers absolutely clocked us come playoff time. 24 innings in a row without a run against the Dodgers. That's embarrassing. That's depressing. That's frustrating. That's infuriating. It was a joke. The team came back to Earth and became the Padres again. As soon as they hit a rough patch against the Dodgers the team folded. They lost their confidence. That swagger that carried them through the season disappeared in an instant. Next year's team will not be as good as this year's team, while the Dodgers will be better. That's why I said the only way the Dodgers lose is next year is if they have a bad week in October. No one can beat them next year unless they beat themselves. (Granted, it can happen, and it has happened in the past, but that's the only way they lose in the playoffs next year.) |
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Post by aardvark on Oct 12, 2024 9:44:47 GMT -8
There isn't much point to talking about how the Padres can contend in 2025. The Dodgers will have Ohtani on the mound, and if he even comes back to 90% of what he was as a pitcher the Dodgers are almost a lock to get to the WS in 2025. The only way they don't get to the WS next year is if they have a bad week in October. They're a 100 win team in 2025. So it doesn't matter what the Padres do. Besides, the Padres are an aging team with long term, big money contracts with players who are both aging and declining. This was our window of opportunity. It is now closed.  |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 12, 2024 10:01:20 GMT -8
The Dodgers have no weak links. And they've got Ohtani on the mound next year as well as being the DH. We have to deal with Machado's decline, Bogaerts decline, and Darvish's inevitable decline (he IS 38 years old). They're all under big money, long term contracts that will choke out the Pads ability to replace them with younger, better talent. We also have the declining Cronenworth on a long term contract. I'd rather have Kim than Bogaerts at this point, but that's not going to happen. The Padres are going to decline next year, and probably the year after that. As long as we have old players who are in their declining years under big money long term contracts the team is screwed. They went all in to contend last year and this year, and it didn't work. They were close to being a WS team this year, but the weaknesses in the roster killed them against the Dodgers. I mean, they can be better then us all they want - doesn't mean that they are necessarily going to win. Only one player can hit at a time, only one pitcher can be on the mound at a time. We were better then them going into this series, and we lost. They were better then us in 2022, and we won the series. We are going to be competitive, alongside the Diamondbacks and Dodgers. We can win a WC slot again. We don't have to get 100 wins to get to the WS. Bingo. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 12, 2024 10:34:31 GMT -8
I mean, they can be better then us all they want - doesn't mean that they are necessarily going to win. Only one player can hit at a time, only one pitcher can be on the mound at a time. We were better then them going into this series, and we lost. They were better then us in 2022, and we won the series. We are going to be competitive, alongside the Diamondbacks and Dodgers. We can win a WC slot again. We don't have to get 100 wins to get to the WS. We were not better than the Dodgers going in to this series. That was smoke and mirrors. We had glaring weaknesses in our roster that hadn't hurt us in the regular season, but the Dodgers absolutely clocked us come playoff time. 24 innings in a row without a run against the Dodgers. That's embarrassing. That's depressing. That's frustrating. That's infuriating. It was a joke. The team came back to Earth and became the Padres again. As soon as they hit a rough patch against the Dodgers the team folded. They lost their confidence. That swagger that carried them through the season disappeared in an instant. Next year's team will not be as good as this year's team, while the Dodgers will be better. That's why I said the only way the Dodgers lose is next year is if they have a bad week in October. No one can beat them next year unless they beat themselves. (Granted, it can happen, and it has happened in the past, but that's the only way they lose in the playoffs next year.) Take a breath. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 12, 2024 10:53:30 GMT -8
We were not better than the Dodgers going in to this series. That was smoke and mirrors. We had glaring weaknesses in our roster that hadn't hurt us in the regular season, but the Dodgers absolutely clocked us come playoff time. 24 innings in a row without a run against the Dodgers. That's embarrassing. That's depressing. That's frustrating. That's infuriating. It was a joke. The team came back to Earth and became the Padres again. As soon as they hit a rough patch against the Dodgers the team folded. They lost their confidence. That swagger that carried them through the season disappeared in an instant. Next year's team will not be as good as this year's team, while the Dodgers will be better. That's why I said the only way the Dodgers lose is next year is if they have a bad week in October. No one can beat them next year unless they beat themselves. (Granted, it can happen, and it has happened in the past, but that's the only way they lose in the playoffs next year.) Take a breath. I've been following this team for 50 years. Granted, the last 10 years not as closely as 40 years of frustration and a team more often than not built to contend for 3rd place took it's toll on me and I became very disillusioned with the franchise and the league. It's impossible not to be fed up. The Padres are the oldest team to NOT win a World Series, and one of only 5 that hasn't done it. We have more losing seasons than winning seasons in our history by far. And the Dodgers just keep on loading up on more and more elite talent. How are we going to compete next year with an aging/declining Machado and Bogaerts sucking up a ton of salary money? Darvish can't maintain this level for long as he's going to be 39 next season. We won't have Kim. We will have an aging Cronenworth who clearly is past his prime. It's Tatis, a few good pitchers, and that's it. That's not nearly enough to contend. |
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