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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 13:52:08 GMT -8
It's way more important at this point to set yourself up for a run than it is to cling to a 0% outcome. Scott, Adam and Morejon have been used way too much in the last few weeks. Scott and Adam didn't throw yesterday. You need Scott, your best lefty, against Shohei today. Just only use him for Shohei, Betts, Freeman. Adam is good to go, he pitched on Tuesday 1 inning, and a third of an inning on Saturday. Morejon 100% agree, he should not be pitching today or tomorrow - his usage has been pretty high. If you can get a good outing out of Musgrove this is less of an issue. You can go to Matsui against the Dodgers 8 and 9 hitters + Shohei, although using him against Shohei, Betts, Freeman scares me (personally). They didn't throw one day? It's a miracle. They've been used a ton, in a ton of high leverage spots, which all add up. Matsui hasn't thrown in nearly three weeks. I'm speaking for myself, for what it's worth, not what Shildt is likely doing. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:03:09 GMT -8
It's way more important at this point to set yourself up for a run than it is to cling to a 0% outcome. Scott, Adam and Morejon have been used way too much in the last few weeks. Scott and Adam didn't throw yesterday. You need Scott, your best lefty, against Shohei today. Just only use him for Shohei, Betts, Freeman. Adam is good to go, he pitched on Tuesday 1 inning, and a third of an inning on Saturday. Morejon 100% agree, he should not be pitching today or tomorrow - his usage has been pretty high. If you can get a good outing out of Musgrove this is less of an issue. You can go to Matsui against the Dodgers 8 and 9 hitters + Shohei, although using him against Shohei, Betts, Freeman scares me (personally). I agree with this strategy completely. If you're in the game after 5 or 6 innings, you go for the win with the best you've got available. The winning strategy stays in place. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:03:52 GMT -8
Winning the West is essentially out the window, now it becomes setting up the rotation and resting some of the top end bullpen arms. If we beat LA today, it's possible. You don't rest guys today. You rest guys against Arizona if you lose today. Yep, lose today then rest guys going forward. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:12:33 GMT -8
If we beat LA today, it's possible. You don't rest guys today. You rest guys against Arizona if you lose today. Yep, lose today then rest guys going forward. They aren't winning the division, so it's way more important to both get guys healthier (Arraez, Profar, etc) and keep guys healthy than anything else. I'm not subscribing to things that don't have any real basis in reality. The divisional hopes died yesterday. They needed a sweep to have any significant chance. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:17:10 GMT -8
Yep, lose today then rest guys going forward. They aren't winning the division, so it's way more important to both get guys healthier (Arraez, Profar, etc) and keep guys healthy than anything else. I'm not subscribing to things that don't have any real basis in reality. The divisional hopes died yesterday. They needed a sweep to have any significant chance. I understand your opinion, but I don't agree. One more game. They don't give up today, just as they shouldn't have, and didn't give up at the All Star Break and sell out. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:20:13 GMT -8
They aren't winning the division, so it's way more important to both get guys healthier (Arraez, Profar, etc) and keep guys healthy than anything else. I'm not subscribing to things that don't have any real basis in reality. The divisional hopes died yesterday. They needed a sweep to have any significant chance. I understand your opinion, but I don't agree. One more game. They don't give up today, just as they shouldn't have, and didn't give up at the All Star Break and sell out. They aren't giving up, they are being smart, knowing what's in front of them. They aren't going to try and lose intentionally. Your point, again, has no basis in reality. Good job bringing up the deadline again, though... |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:27:56 GMT -8
The problem with even the most basic of actual thought involved: Win tonight. Then what? You're going to ask for a sweep in Arizona, something that's happened once, to my recollection in over a decade. Then you're going to have the Rockies take a series from LA, all the while likely having to extend guys who have already been overutilized...and then the playoffs start Tuesday.
Suarez, Adam, Morejon, Estrada and Scott have combined for 119 appearances since August 1st. Everyone has seen Suarez's ineffectiveness in the second half, right? That's not accidental, he's been overused. It's okay to be prudent in place of hanging a meaningless banner.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:32:17 GMT -8
I understand your opinion, but I don't agree. One more game. They don't give up today, just as they shouldn't have, and didn't give up at the All Star Break and sell out. They aren't giving up, they are being smart, knowing what's in front of them. They aren't going to try and lose intentionally. Your point, again, has no basis in reality. Good job bringing up the deadline again, though... Don't be triggered. It just reminded me of that scenario. You are giving up if you play you're less talented guys today, over the better ones that are available. I'm hoping they don't do that today. Talk about out of reality. You saying that they shouldn't play their best players tonight is what's not reality. They may do what you're hoping they do, but I wouldn't agree with it. I think they play to win if they're still in it after 5 innings. If Musgrove gets pounded, that may change things. We'll see. These guys are competitors. I doubt they don't start their best available players. Smart is playing your best players unless it gets out of hand. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:36:41 GMT -8
The problem with even the most basic of actual thought involved: Win tonight. Then what? You're going to ask for a sweep in Arizona, something that's happened once, to my recollection in over a decade. Then you're going to have the Rockies take a series from LA, all the while likely having to extend guys who have already been overutilized...and then the playoffs start Tuesday. Suarez, Adam, Morejon, Estrada and Scott have combined for 119 appearances since August 1st. Everyone has seen Suarez's ineffectiveness in the second half, right? That's not accidental, he's been overused. It's okay to be prudent in place of hanging a meaningless banner. Are you a competitor? Everything you say about this situation, and others, oozes with the answer being, no. Sure, be smart but if you've got a chance, then go for it. You don't extend innings to a pitcher during the game, but you also don't not use them. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:36:46 GMT -8
They aren't giving up, they are being smart, knowing what's in front of them. They aren't going to try and lose intentionally. Your point, again, has no basis in reality. Good job bringing up the deadline again, though... Don't be triggered. It just reminded me of that scenario. You are giving up if you play you're less talented guys today, over the better ones that are available. I'm hoping they don't do that today. Talk about out of reality. You saying that they shouldn't play their best players tonight is what's not reality. They may do what you're hoping they do, but I wouldn't agree with it. I think they play to win if they're still in it after 5 innings. If Musgrove gets pounded, that may change things. We'll see. I'm not triggered....it's just stupid. Your idea of "selling" is quitting. That's not real. It never was. No, you're not giving up, you're playing basic..freaking...odds. Period. Stop being myopic and be a realist. You're way too much of a fan to even understand the upside involved here. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:38:19 GMT -8
Don't be triggered. It just reminded me of that scenario. You are giving up if you play you're less talented guys today, over the better ones that are available. I'm hoping they don't do that today. Talk about out of reality. You saying that they shouldn't play their best players tonight is what's not reality. They may do what you're hoping they do, but I wouldn't agree with it. I think they play to win if they're still in it after 5 innings. If Musgrove gets pounded, that may change things. We'll see. I'm not triggered....it's just stupid. Your idea of "selling" is quitting. That's not real. It never was. No, you're not giving up, you're playing basic..freaking...odds. Period. Stop being myopic and be a realist. You're way too much of a fan to even understand the upside involved here. Yep, you've answered my question. And oh boy am I glad, again, that you're no Coach, or GM that makes decisions. Whew. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:38:24 GMT -8
The problem with even the most basic of actual thought involved: Win tonight. Then what? You're going to ask for a sweep in Arizona, something that's happened once, to my recollection in over a decade. Then you're going to have the Rockies take a series from LA, all the while likely having to extend guys who have already been overutilized...and then the playoffs start Tuesday. Suarez, Adam, Morejon, Estrada and Scott have combined for 119 appearances since August 1st. Everyone has seen Suarez's ineffectiveness in the second half, right? That's not accidental, he's been overused. It's okay to be prudent in place of hanging a meaningless banner. Are you a competitor? Everything you say about this situation, and others, oozes with the answer being, no. Sure, be smart but if you've got a chance, then go for it. You don't extend innings to a pitcher during the game, but you also don't not use them. A competitor? Yes. A mindless idiot? No. I understand statistics and the UPSIDE. It's that simple. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:39:22 GMT -8
I'm not triggered....it's just stupid. Your idea of "selling" is quitting. That's not real. It never was. No, you're not giving up, you're playing basic..freaking...odds. Period. Stop being myopic and be a realist. You're way too much of a fan to even understand the upside involved here. Yep, you've answered my question. And oh boy am I glad, again, that you're no Coach, or GM that makes decisions. Whew. Happy for you. Maybe in your next life, you'll get a brain. You can't remove your fandom. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:41:55 GMT -8
Are you a competitor? Everything you say about this situation, and others, oozes with the answer being, no. Sure, be smart but if you've got a chance, then go for it. You don't extend innings to a pitcher during the game, but you also don't not use them. A competitor? Yes. A mindless idiot? No. I understand statistics and the UPSIDE. It's that simple. No, you're no competitor. You've proven that a few times on here with decisions that you would have made. I know you're stat boy, but there's more to it than that. Sheesh. A mindless idiot would not do what you're asking for AFTER today's game or during today's if it got out of hand. Simple stuff for some. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:43:30 GMT -8
Yep, you've answered my question. And oh boy am I glad, again, that you're no Coach, or GM that makes decisions. Whew. Happy for you. Maybe in your next life, you'll get a brain. You can't remove your fandom. Thee you go again with your insults. I hope it helps your lack of self esteem that you yourself said is lacking. That's not a good way of making up for it. Projection much? |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:44:47 GMT -8
A competitor? Yes. A mindless idiot? No. I understand statistics and the UPSIDE. It's that simple. No, you're no competitor. You've proven that a few times on here with decisions that you would have made. I know you're stat boy, but there's more to it than that. Sheesh. A mindless idiot would not do what you're asking for AFTER today's game or during today's if it got out of hand. Simple stuff for some. Yeah, you define simple, for sure. Notice you didn't even address the downside? Surpriseeeeeeee. Serious quesion: Winning the NL West or a World Series? Which one actually matters? Just a waste of time to converse with someone who can't be objective. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:45:27 GMT -8
Yep, you've answered my question. And oh boy am I glad, again, that you're no Coach, or GM that makes decisions. Whew. Happy for you. Maybe in your next life, you'll get a brain. You can't remove your fandom. Zero to do with fandom. Just like it had zero to do with fandom concerning giving up at the All Star Break. It's about strategy. You play to win tonight, unless you're out of it after 5 or 6 innings. You want to give up before the game starts. Shame on you. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2024 14:48:01 GMT -8
No, you're no competitor. You've proven that a few times on here with decisions that you would have made. I know you're stat boy, but there's more to it than that. Sheesh. A mindless idiot would not do what you're asking for AFTER today's game or during today's if it got out of hand. Simple stuff for some. Yeah, you define simple, for sure. Notice you didn't even address the downside? Surpriseeeeeeee. Serious quesion: Winning the NL West or a World Series? Which one actually matters? Just a waste of time to converse with someone who can't be objective. I absolutely addressed the downside. I said that if they weren't in it after 5 or 6 innings you pull people. I understand the strategy of resting guys, but it's not time for that yet, in my opinion. Geeze, you really get triggered when someone doesn't see things your way. Get help for that. Sheesh. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:48:04 GMT -8
Happy for you. Maybe in your next life, you'll get a brain. You can't remove your fandom. Thee you go again with your insults. I hope it helps your lack of self esteem that you yourself said is lacking. That's not a good way of making up for it. Projection much? You insulted me first....Self-awareness? Do you expect me to give you a pass if you're an ass? Again, practice what you throw in other people's faces. The fair odds of winning the division, accounting for some variables in front of you, is probably somewhere between 4% and 6%. That's what you're arguing for. The computer odds right now are 2.8%. So, yeah.....pass. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 26, 2024 14:50:29 GMT -8
Happy for you. Maybe in your next life, you'll get a brain. You can't remove your fandom. Zero to do with fandom. Just like it had zero to do with fandom concerning giving up at the All Star Break. It's about strategy. You play to win tonight, unless you're out of it after 5 or 6 innings. You want to give up before the game starts. Shame on you. L...o.. l. Everything you say comes from a fan perspective. Everything. If you want to insult someone, pick a different route. What "strategy" would you refer to at the end of July? Give me a break. You're a fan, nothing more. |
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