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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 20, 2024 17:38:22 GMT -8
Whether Trump deserves to be found guilty can be discussed in another thread. In this one I am merely speculating on how Trump will be handled should he actually lose any of the several cases he faces. This would of course be an unprecedented situation in this country.
Those who strongly oppose Trump would of course hope to see him housed in a 6 x 8 square foot cell with minimum privileges. But a former President of the USA would not be an ordinary inmate. For one thing, he would be subject to physical attacks by other inmates. Inmates who are convicted police officers, as I understand it, are likewise not allowed to mix with the general prison population. Also, what would be done to handle the Secret Service agents assigned to guard him?
There is also the issue of Trump's age. By the time he began to serve his sentence, he would be pretty close to 80 years of age. Such inmates would have to be handled differently from those who are younger.
The whole issue would pose quite a problem.
Here are some possible ways Trump's imprisonment could be handled. I have a suspicion that Trump would never see the inside of a traditional prison. Such a situation would pose unacceptable issues. Maybe he could be imprisoned in a military base. He could be housed in a small building guarded by plenty of military personnel.
Also a possibility is some form of house arrest. Some might feel that such a sentence would not be severe enough, but adequate conditions could be imposed. For instance, Trump could be denied use of the Internet or a telephone. His secret service guards would be able to monitor his activities to make sure that he was in compliance with the terms of his sentence.
This is all speculation, of course. He might be found not guilty. What if Trump is elected President? Talk about a Constitutional Crisis!!!!
I just hope I live long enough to see a day when Donald Trump is no longer an issue.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 20, 2024 18:17:37 GMT -8
Trump behind bars. Hmm, sounds good to me.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 20, 2024 18:52:34 GMT -8
Whether Trump deserves to be found guilty can be discussed in another thread. In this one I am merely speculating on how Trump will be handled should he actually lose any of the several cases he faces. This would of course be an unprecedented situation in this country.
Those who strongly oppose Trump would of course hope to see him housed in a 6 x 8 square foot cell with minimum privileges. But a former President of the USA would not be an ordinary inmate. For one thing, he would be subject to physical attacks by other inmates. Inmates who are convicted police officers, as I understand it, are likewise not allowed to mix with the general prison population. Also, what would be done to handle the Secret Service agents assigned to guard him?
There is also the issue of Trump's age. By the time he began to serve his sentence, he would be pretty close to 80 years of age. Such inmates would have to be handled differently from those who are younger.
The whole issue would pose quite a problem.
Here are some possible ways Trump's imprisonment could be handled. I have a suspicion that Trump would never see the inside of a traditional prison. Such a situation would pose unacceptable issues. Maybe he could be imprisoned in a military base. He could be housed in a small building guarded by plenty of military personnel.
Also a possibility is some form of house arrest. Some might feel that such a sentence would not be severe enough, but adequate conditions could be imposed. For instance, Trump could be denied use of the Internet or a telephone. His secret service guards would be able to monitor his activities to make sure that he was in compliance with the terms of his sentence.
This is all speculation, of course. He might be found not guilty. What if Trump is elected President? Talk about a Constitutional Crisis!!!!
I just hope I live long enough to see a day when Donald Trump is no longer an issue.
AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 20, 2024 22:58:56 GMT -8
Whether Trump deserves to be found guilty can be discussed in another thread. In this one I am merely speculating on how Trump will be handled should he actually lose any of the several cases he faces. This would of course be an unprecedented situation in this country.
Those who strongly oppose Trump would of course hope to see him housed in a 6 x 8 square foot cell with minimum privileges. But a former President of the USA would not be an ordinary inmate. For one thing, he would be subject to physical attacks by other inmates. Inmates who are convicted police officers, as I understand it, are likewise not allowed to mix with the general prison population. Also, what would be done to handle the Secret Service agents assigned to guard him?
There is also the issue of Trump's age. By the time he began to serve his sentence, he would be pretty close to 80 years of age. Such inmates would have to be handled differently from those who are younger.
The whole issue would pose quite a problem.
Here are some possible ways Trump's imprisonment could be handled. I have a suspicion that Trump would never see the inside of a traditional prison. Such a situation would pose unacceptable issues. Maybe he could be imprisoned in a military base. He could be housed in a small building guarded by plenty of military personnel.
Also a possibility is some form of house arrest. Some might feel that such a sentence would not be severe enough, but adequate conditions could be imposed. For instance, Trump could be denied use of the Internet or a telephone. His secret service guards would be able to monitor his activities to make sure that he was in compliance with the terms of his sentence.
This is all speculation, of course. He might be found not guilty. What if Trump is elected President? Talk about a Constitutional Crisis!!!!
I just hope I live long enough to see a day when Donald Trump is no longer an issue.
AzWm
There's also virtually no chance he is found not guilty. Federal prosecutors wouldn't bring a case against a former president that would not lead to a conviction. Trump knows this, which is why he's been rattling on about presidential immunity for weeks now. He wants to be above the law, he believes he's done nothing wrong. Just in the documents case in Florida, Jack Smith has cell tower data that shows communications between Nauta, Trump and de Oliveira, along with documents, sworn testimony, video and audio surveillance, photographic evidence, Trump's own statements made that incriminate himself and so on. The only thing that has kept that case from going forward is Aileen Cannon. That won't be the case in DC, nor will it be the case in other jurisdictions. And I don't think his legal jeopardy is even close to being over with, either. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 21, 2024 14:01:28 GMT -8
Ryan said:
There's also virtually no chance he is found not guilty. Federal prosecutors wouldn't bring a case against a former president that would not lead to a conviction. Trump knows this, which is why he's been rattling on about presidential immunity for weeks now. He wants to be above the law, he believes he's done nothing wrong. Just in the documents case in Florida, Jack Smith has cell tower data that shows communications between Nauta, Trump and de Oliveira, along with documents, sworn testimony, video and audio surveillance, photographic evidence, Trump's own statements made that incriminate himself and so on.
The only thing that has kept that case from going forward is Aileen Cannon. That won't be the case in DC, nor will it be the case in other jurisdictions. And I don't think his legal jeopardy is even close to being over with, either.
And I say:
My goodness, you really do hate Donald Trump!  Okay, that's your privilege. The two of us reject the idea of a second Trump term. Where we differ is that you hate him and I do not.
I wonder if you could just for a minute or two respond to the point of this thread. Namely, how do you think his imprisonment would be handled?
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 21, 2024 14:09:25 GMT -8
Ryan said:
There's also virtually no chance he is found not guilty. Federal prosecutors wouldn't bring a case against a former president that would not lead to a conviction. Trump knows this, which is why he's been rattling on about presidential immunity for weeks now. He wants to be above the law, he believes he's done nothing wrong. Just in the documents case in Florida, Jack Smith has cell tower data that shows communications between Nauta, Trump and de Oliveira, along with documents, sworn testimony, video and audio surveillance, photographic evidence, Trump's own statements made that incriminate himself and so on.
The only thing that has kept that case from going forward is Aileen Cannon. That won't be the case in DC, nor will it be the case in other jurisdictions. And I don't think his legal jeopardy is even close to being over with, either.
And I say:
My goodness, you really do hate Donald Trump! Okay, that's your privilege. The two of us reject the idea of a second Trump term. Where we differ is that you hate him and I do not.
I wonder if you could just for a minute or two respond to the point of this thread. Namely, how do you think his imprisonment would be handled?
AzWm And that response shows you how political discourse is dead. Nowhere in that entire post is there anything remotely resembling a personal opinion on the person. Nowhere. But your immediate reaction is "Wow, you really hate him." Irrelevant and off topic, along with a gross minimalism of the situation. Sorry, but a backbone is something I was taught to have. I started to respond to your original post yesterday, but you covered everything I would have mentioned pretty well. Also, how his imprisonment is handled misses the giant elephant in the room...which is what you should actually care about: A presidential candidate under active indictment that could potentially win an election while facing decades in prison. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 22, 2024 14:51:37 GMT -8
Ryan said:
There's also virtually no chance he is found not guilty. Federal prosecutors wouldn't bring a case against a former president that would not lead to a conviction. Trump knows this, which is why he's been rattling on about presidential immunity for weeks now. He wants to be above the law, he believes he's done nothing wrong. Just in the documents case in Florida, Jack Smith has cell tower data that shows communications between Nauta, Trump and de Oliveira, along with documents, sworn testimony, video and audio surveillance, photographic evidence, Trump's own statements made that incriminate himself and so on.
The only thing that has kept that case from going forward is Aileen Cannon. That won't be the case in DC, nor will it be the case in other jurisdictions. And I don't think his legal jeopardy is even close to being over with, either.
And I say:
My goodness, you really do hate Donald Trump! Okay, that's your privilege. The two of us reject the idea of a second Trump term. Where we differ is that you hate him and I do not.
I wonder if you could just for a minute or two respond to the point of this thread. Namely, how do you think his imprisonment would be handled?
AzWm And that response shows you how political discourse is dead. Nowhere in that entire post is there anything remotely resembling a personal opinion on the person. Nowhere. But your immediate reaction is "Wow, you really hate him." Irrelevant and off topic, along with a gross minimalism of the situation. Sorry, but a backbone is something I was taught to have. I started to respond to your original post yesterday, but you covered everything I would have mentioned pretty well. Also, how his imprisonment is handled misses the giant elephant in the room...which is what you should actually care about: A presidential candidate under active indictment that could potentially win an election while facing decades in prison.
As to what I think of Donald Trump, I have made that clear many, many times in these pages. He is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind. I do not think I can make my viewpoint on the man any clearer.
But I will try.
What is most important about Trump is not the man himself but why he garners such strong support. I suppose many of those who most strongly oppose him would say that a huge number of his followers are simply "deplorable", people who are racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, etc. Really? Seventy million Americans were really "deplorable" their whole lives but kept that position hidden until Trump came along? I wonder how they could have elected Barack Obama twice. 
A better explanation is what has happened to millions of manufacturing jobs that have gone to China, and elsewhere. Add to that the terrible harm that drugs have done to America in the past several decades. Much of middle America is suffering greatly from the hollowing out of our industrial base. To be sure both major parties are responsible from this economic disaster.
Also, the influence of far-left forces on the Democratic party is another factor explaining why Trump has such a following among people who used to vote reliably for Democrats. The upper classes, especially those found on both coasts, consider the fly-overs to be uneducated bumpkins who need to be guided by their betters.
Don't misunderstand me. Trump is NOT the answer to Americas problems. Another Trump presidency would be chaotic, if not right disastrous. But I feel much the same way about a second Biden term.
To finish this commentary, I will explain what I believe to be Donald Trump's worst offense. That is the great harm he has done to our multi-party political system. We supposedly have a two-party system. For a long time it's actually been a one- and half-party system. His influence may well turn that into a one-and-one-third party system.
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Post by azson on Jan 22, 2024 15:26:31 GMT -8
And that response shows you how political discourse is dead. Nowhere in that entire post is there anything remotely resembling a personal opinion on the person. Nowhere. But your immediate reaction is "Wow, you really hate him." Irrelevant and off topic, along with a gross minimalism of the situation. Sorry, but a backbone is something I was taught to have. I started to respond to your original post yesterday, but you covered everything I would have mentioned pretty well. Also, how his imprisonment is handled misses the giant elephant in the room...which is what you should actually care about: A presidential candidate under active indictment that could potentially win an election while facing decades in prison.
As to what I think of Donald Trump, I have made that clear many, many times in these pages. He is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind. I do not think I can make my viewpoint on the man any clearer.
But I will try.
What is most important about Trump is not the man himself but why he garners such strong support. I suppose many of those who most strongly oppose him would say that a huge number of his followers are simply "deplorable", people who are racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, etc. Really? Seventy million Americans were really "deplorable" their whole lives but kept that position hidden until Trump came along? I wonder how they could have elected Barack Obama twice.
A better explanation is what has happened to millions of manufacturing jobs that have gone to China, and elsewhere. Add to that the terrible harm that drugs have done to America in the past several decades. Much of middle America is suffering greatly from the hollowing out of our industrial base. To be sure both major parties are responsible from this economic disaster.
Also, the influence of far-left forces on the Democratic party is another factor explaining why Trump has such a following among people who used to vote reliably for Democrats. The upper classes, especially those found on both coasts, consider the fly-overs to be uneducated bumpkins who need to be guided by their betters.
Don't misunderstand me. Trump is NOT the answer to Americas problems. Another Trump presidency would be chaotic, if not right disastrous. But I feel much the same way about a second Biden term.
To finish this commentary, I will explain what I believe to be Donald Trump's worst offense. That is the great harm he has done to our multi-party political system. We supposedly have a two-party system. For a long time it's actually been a one- and half-party system. His influence may well turn that into a one-and-one-third party system.
AzWm
As you referenced on the "too old?" thread, your own faculties wouldn't be up for a presidential challenge at your age. Based on your wildly flawed logic implying that Trump voters were also Obama voters, I'd have to agree that your current cognition might be a little lacking. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 22, 2024 17:26:44 GMT -8
And that response shows you how political discourse is dead. Nowhere in that entire post is there anything remotely resembling a personal opinion on the person. Nowhere. But your immediate reaction is "Wow, you really hate him." Irrelevant and off topic, along with a gross minimalism of the situation. Sorry, but a backbone is something I was taught to have. I started to respond to your original post yesterday, but you covered everything I would have mentioned pretty well. Also, how his imprisonment is handled misses the giant elephant in the room...which is what you should actually care about: A presidential candidate under active indictment that could potentially win an election while facing decades in prison.
As to what I think of Donald Trump, I have made that clear many, many times in these pages. He is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind. I do not think I can make my viewpoint on the man any clearer.
But I will try.
What is most important about Trump is not the man himself but why he garners such strong support. I suppose many of those who most strongly oppose him would say that a huge number of his followers are simply "deplorable", people who are racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, etc. Really? Seventy million Americans were really "deplorable" their whole lives but kept that position hidden until Trump came along? I wonder how they could have elected Barack Obama twice.
A better explanation is what has happened to millions of manufacturing jobs that have gone to China, and elsewhere. Add to that the terrible harm that drugs have done to America in the past several decades. Much of middle America is suffering greatly from the hollowing out of our industrial base. To be sure both major parties are responsible from this economic disaster.
Also, the influence of far-left forces on the Democratic party is another factor explaining why Trump has such a following among people who used to vote reliably for Democrats. The upper classes, especially those found on both coasts, consider the fly-overs to be uneducated bumpkins who need to be guided by their betters.
Don't misunderstand me. Trump is NOT the answer to Americas problems. Another Trump presidency would be chaotic, if not right disastrous. But I feel much the same way about a second Biden term.
To finish this commentary, I will explain what I believe to be Donald Trump's worst offense. That is the great harm he has done to our multi-party political system. We supposedly have a two-party system. For a long time it's actually been a one- and half-party system. His influence may well turn that into a one-and-one-third party system.
AzWm
Ah, yes. The "how could a group of racists vote for a Black president" trope. Understanding the intricacies and limitations of a two-party system is paramount here. First and foremost, groupthink is a thing. Some voters will ONLY vote Republican, no matter what. Hard-liners, to be clear, to where the candidate is irrelevant. Some voters will never vote for Biden, in any circumstance, and then by default end up with Trump. Still others will write-in a candidate or won't vote at all. The one good thing to come out of Trump's first term is that he galvanized new voters to vote against him. Democracy wins, thankfully. I'm not sure how anyone could feel the two situations are on a level playing field, they simply aren't. After every Republican disaster, a Democrat swoops in and restores order. There's a reason for that. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 23, 2024 10:34:17 GMT -8
Ryan, now I understand the truth. Democrats good, Republicans bad. It's so simple I just couldn't understand it.  I'll make a bet with you. In '28 or '32 (assuming I'm still alive) you will be saying much the same things re the GOP candidates then as you now are saying about The Donald. Question: Is there any Republican President that you do not consider to have been deplorable? I'll answer that question in the other direction. The following Democrat Presidents were, in my opinion, not deplorable (not necessarily good, but not deplorable). In reverse order. Obama, Carter, JFK, Truman, and Cleveland. Wilson, I'm afraid, due to his racism, was deplorable. AzWm |
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Post by azson on Jan 23, 2024 10:42:09 GMT -8
Ryan, now I understand the truth. Democrats good, Republicans bad. It's so simple I just couldn't understand it. I'll make a bet with you. In '28 or '32 (assuming I'm still alive) you will be saying much the same things re the GOP candidates then as you now are saying about The Donald. Question: Is there any Republican President that you do not consider to have been deplorable? I'll answer that question in the other direction. The following Democrat Presidents were, in my opinion, not deplorable (not necessarily good, but not deplorable). In reverse order. Obama, Carter, JFK, Truman, and Cleveland. Wilson, I'm afraid, due to his racism, was deplorable. AzWm Wm, I think we ALL understand the truth, which is you aren't able to argue politics without strawmen fallacies. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 23, 2024 10:43:28 GMT -8
I only went back to Cleveland in my last post.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 23, 2024 10:47:24 GMT -8
Ryan, now I understand the truth. Democrats good, Republicans bad. It's so simple I just couldn't understand it. I'll make a bet with you. In '28 or '32 (assuming I'm still alive) you will be saying much the same things re the GOP candidates then as you now are saying about The Donald. Question: Is there any Republican President that you do not consider to have been deplorable? I'll answer that question in the other direction. The following Democrat Presidents were, in my opinion, not deplorable (not necessarily good, but not deplorable). In reverse order. Obama, Carter, JFK, Truman, and Cleveland. Wilson, I'm afraid, due to his racism, was deplorable. AzWm For someone with so much experience on this planet, you don't show a lot of growth. Look at historical numbers and context - Under Trump, GDP grew about 14%, under Biden it's 22%. If you go back to the Great Depression, Democrats outperform their Republican counterparts across the board, regardless of what economic factor you want to use. Just facts, easily researched if you care to do so. And no, I likely won't. Donald Trump (despite your feeble efforts to minimize the danger he represents) is (hopefully) an isolated case where historians agree that he's one of the worst presidents in our history. This isn't about Republican versus Democrat, it's about right and wrong. Sexual assault? Wrong. Stealing state secrets and selling them to hostile governments? Wrong. Disseminating classified information to those without a security clearance? Wrong. Mass deportations of immigrants while invoking Hitler speeches? Wrong. Much of my forward philosophy will be based on what becomes of the Republican Party after Trump leaves or dies. He's not even a conservative, but the MAGA R's don't care. They want relevance, they want supremacy, they want popularity....regardless of who they have to hitch their wagon to. I'm not here to debate history with you; if we can't fundamentally agree (with actual specifics, not both sides/backhanded efforts) that Donald Trump represents unparalleled danger to the United States...there's nothing left to talk about. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 23, 2024 10:53:07 GMT -8
Well, that's just it. You understand the truth and I don't. Which is, I believe, that the collectivist, redistributionist, authoritarian vision of the current Democratic Party is the one true path to national greatness.
Of course, I am kidding. What I understand is that no one party, certainly over time, is always going to be right. I gave up on the Republicans in 1976 and, of course, never aligned myself with the Democrats. The greatest danger to this country is that one day either the GOP or the Democrats might become the de facto permanent ruling party. Just how well have things worked out for countries that have only one ruling party?
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Post by azson on Jan 23, 2024 11:03:52 GMT -8
Well, that's just it. You understand the truth and I don't. Which is, I believe, that the collectivist, redistributionist, authoritarian vision of the current Democratic Party is the one true path to national greatness. Of course, I am kidding. What I understand is that no one party, certainly over time, is always going to be right. I gave up on the Republicans in 1976 and, of course, never aligned myself with the Democrats. The greatest danger to this country is that one day either the GOP or the Democrats might become the de facto permanent ruling party. Just how well have things worked out for countries that have only one ruling party? AzWm Which is precisely what DT has made clear that he wants. The clear and present danger is right here, right now. Yet you continue to be obtuse and pontificate about dem vs. GOP in the past and in the distant future. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 23, 2024 11:11:37 GMT -8
Well, that's just it. You understand the truth and I don't. Which is, I believe, that the collectivist, redistributionist, authoritarian vision of the current Democratic Party is the one true path to national greatness. Of course, I am kidding. What I understand is that no one party, certainly over time, is always going to be right. I gave up on the Republicans in 1976 and, of course, never aligned myself with the Democrats. The greatest danger to this country is that one day either the GOP or the Democrats might become the de facto permanent ruling party. Just how well have things worked out for countries that have only one ruling party? AzWm Which is complete nonsense, of course. Do you think Republicans care about individualism? Which party actively stripped away female reproductive rights? Not the Democrats. Which party will charge you with murder for having an abortion? Not the Democrats. If you want to talk about "authoritarian vision", you might want to wake up out of the coma you've been in for the last several months. Freedom of the press? Nah, not important. What could go wrong here? The repeated, incessant praising of dictators worldwide is a....coincidence? An accident? Who needs democracy, right? Viktor Orban: Banned same-sex marriages in Hungary, rolled back protections for LGBTQ citizens in Hungary, attacked the press in Hungary and developed an alliance with Vladimir Putin. Nope, no danger there, right? If you fall for anything, you'll stand for nothing. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 23, 2024 12:13:11 GMT -8
Ryan, now I understand the truth. Democrats good, Republicans bad. It's so simple I just couldn't understand it. I'll make a bet with you. In '28 or '32 (assuming I'm still alive) you will be saying much the same things re the GOP candidates then as you now are saying about The Donald. Question: Is there any Republican President that you do not consider to have been deplorable? I'll answer that question in the other direction. The following Democrat Presidents were, in my opinion, not deplorable (not necessarily good, but not deplorable). In reverse order. Obama, Carter, JFK, Truman, and Cleveland. Wilson, I'm afraid, due to his racism, was deplorable. AzWm William, I just don't get where you got this blind spot regarding trump? You understand history. trump agreed with Putin over our own intelligence agencies , on camera, in front of the world!! Do you understand what is going to happen to Ukraine if he gets in?? Yes, it's true that he is widely despised, both nationally and globally. Again, I have never hated anyone in my life as much as him....and I have voted for at least a couple Republicans. I know the sweetest women in the world who have never as much uttered an F-bomb in their life...but just mention his name...and get ready! He has made it ok for people to act out in ways we have not seen before. He basically took a big $#!+ in the American punchbowl and has us heading to Idiocracy. This guy is a pig of a human. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 23, 2024 12:37:18 GMT -8
Ryan, now I understand the truth. Democrats good, Republicans bad. It's so simple I just couldn't understand it. I'll make a bet with you. In '28 or '32 (assuming I'm still alive) you will be saying much the same things re the GOP candidates then as you now are saying about The Donald. Question: Is there any Republican President that you do not consider to have been deplorable? I'll answer that question in the other direction. The following Democrat Presidents were, in my opinion, not deplorable (not necessarily good, but not deplorable). In reverse order. Obama, Carter, JFK, Truman, and Cleveland. Wilson, I'm afraid, due to his racism, was deplorable. AzWm William, I just don't get where you got this blind spot regarding trump? You understand history. trump agreed with Putin over our own intelligence agencies , on camera, in front of the world!! Do you understand what is going to happen to Ukraine if he gets in?? Yes, it's true that he is widely despised, both nationally and globally. Again, I have never hated anyone in my life as much as him....and I have voted for at least a couple Republicans. I know the sweetest women in the world who have never as much uttered an F-bomb in their life...but just mention his name...and get ready! He has made it ok for people to act out in ways we have not seen before. He basically took a big $#!+ in the American punchbowl and has us heading to Idiocracy. This guy is a pig of a human. 
I give you credit for admitting that you hate Trump. Ah! That's it! I oppose a second term for Trump but do not hate him. So, my opinion is suspect.
As for Trump being a pig, I use different terms. In an earlier post I said that he "is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind." I guess that is not good enough. But seriously, what part of "He is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind" is favorable to Donald Trump the candidate? I guess nothing short of off with his head would do.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 23, 2024 12:57:56 GMT -8
William, I just don't get where you got this blind spot regarding trump? You understand history. trump agreed with Putin over our own intelligence agencies , on camera, in front of the world!! Do you understand what is going to happen to Ukraine if he gets in?? Yes, it's true that he is widely despised, both nationally and globally. Again, I have never hated anyone in my life as much as him....and I have voted for at least a couple Republicans. I know the sweetest women in the world who have never as much uttered an F-bomb in their life...but just mention his name...and get ready! He has made it ok for people to act out in ways we have not seen before. He basically took a big $#!+ in the American punchbowl and has us heading to Idiocracy. This guy is a pig of a human.
I give you credit for admitting that you hate Trump. Ah! That's it! I oppose a second term for Trump but do not hate him. So, my opinion is suspect.
As for Trump being a pig, I use different terms. In an earlier post I said that he "is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind." I guess that is not good enough. But seriously, what part of "He is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind" is favorable to Donald Trump the candidate? I guess nothing short of off with his head would do.
AzWm
Once again, if you just left out the melodrama, you'd probably be taken seriously. All I care about is historical accuracy and truth, nothing more. I don't care if you want Trump to see prison or not (Based on actual evidence, you should, but it's not the point.) You continually and consistently try to equate both parties and both candidates, which is categorically silly and false. That's my issue here. You accuse Democrats of using "collectivism" and "authoritarian vision" (which doesn't exist except on the far margins *anywhere*) and at the same time, you're tone-deaf to Trump's own words and the Republican Party's own actions. That's the problem. Think about this: A grand jury in Ohio was convened to decide whether a woman who miscarried at home could be charged with a crime. Women in Texas flee the state to get abortions and will be charged with murder if they return. Those things are real and they are actually dangerous. |
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Post by azson on Jan 23, 2024 14:31:10 GMT -8
William, I just don't get where you got this blind spot regarding trump? You understand history. trump agreed with Putin over our own intelligence agencies , on camera, in front of the world!! Do you understand what is going to happen to Ukraine if he gets in?? Yes, it's true that he is widely despised, both nationally and globally. Again, I have never hated anyone in my life as much as him....and I have voted for at least a couple Republicans. I know the sweetest women in the world who have never as much uttered an F-bomb in their life...but just mention his name...and get ready! He has made it ok for people to act out in ways we have not seen before. He basically took a big $#!+ in the American punchbowl and has us heading to Idiocracy. This guy is a pig of a human.
I give you credit for admitting that you hate Trump. Ah! That's it! I oppose a second term for Trump but do not hate him. So, my opinion is suspect.
As for Trump being a pig, I use different terms. In an earlier post I said that he "is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind." I guess that is not good enough. But seriously, what part of "He is unworthy of respect and is totally ill-suited to hold public office of any kind" is favorable to Donald Trump the candidate? I guess nothing short of off with his head would do.
AzWm
News flash, they already have had a "say": www.pbs.org/newshour/show/breaking-down-the-verdict-as-jury-finds-trump-liable-for-sexual-assault-and-defamation |
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Okay, that's your privilege. The two of us reject the idea of a second Trump term. Where we differ is that you hate him and I do not. 
