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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 10:45:05 GMT -8
Three quarters of the time? Lol. Okay. Right. (It's not about being right, for what it's worth, it's about being accurate and at least trying to make a faithful argument.) Well, coming from someone who doesn't even pay attention to what day it is, I'm pretty confident I'm on the right side of history here. Instead of making personal attacks on me, you should put yourself to work and do some research on this topic. Netanyahu (the guy in charge is Israel) has been bankrolling Hamas for a long time. He needs Hamas to keep his power structure in place. That's why he's continuing to finance Hamas while simultaneously continuing the war. Hamas acts as a buffer that denies a two-state solution. www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.htmlThis is widely known. I'll stop when you do. Such as, "You don't know what you're talking about." "You're out of your league." Practice what you preach, bud. I only retaliate. Like I said before, nobody forced Hamas to invade in October. THEY still performed the action. Well, it would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. That's a fact. It's consistent...But it's fixable. And once again, being obtuse serves nobody. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continued millions of dollars funneled to their coffers. You're caught up on one singular action. This is a conflict going back 75 years, not one that started in October. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 29, 2024 11:44:14 GMT -8
I'll stop when you do. Such as, "You don't know what you're talking about." "You're out of your league." Practice what you preach, bud. I only retaliate. Like I said before, nobody forced Hamas to invade in October. THEY still performed the action. Well, it would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. That's a fact. It's consistent...But it's fixable. And once again, being obtuse serves nobody. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continued millions of dollars funneled to their coffers. You're caught up on one singular action. This is a conflict going back 75 years, not one that started in October. I'm not "caught up" in one singular action. It's just the latest. Two wrongs don't make a right, correct? I've heard you use that a time or two. If you gave me 150 Million Dollars, I'm not going to invade Israel, and so wouldn't MANY Palestinians. It's the mindset of Hamas that's the problem. Have you read their Manifesto, so to speak? They want nothing more than Israel, and all Israel's, to die. Go away. They're a very radical group. I also understand that Israel can do better, as well, but if Hamas was voted in to be in control of their side of the border, it was inevitable that there were going to be problems. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 11:52:19 GMT -8
Well, it would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. That's a fact. It's consistent...But it's fixable. And once again, being obtuse serves nobody. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continued millions of dollars funneled to their coffers. You're caught up on one singular action. This is a conflict going back 75 years, not one that started in October. I'm not "caught up" in one singular action. It's just the latest. Two wrongs don't make a right, correct? I've heard you use that a time or two. If you gave me 150 Million Dollars, I'm not going to invade Israel, and so wouldn't MANY Palestinians. It's the mindset of Hamas that's the problem. Have you read their Manifesto, so to speak? They want nothing more than Israel, and all Israel's, to die. Go away. They're a very radical group. I also understand that Israel can do better, as well, but if Hamas was voted in to be in control of their side of the border, it was inevitable that there were going to be problems. But you are....because it's the only frame of reference you have. It's the only act you mention. And it's now nearly a year later, yet you're still only talking about one action, nothing that has endured since. Seems counterintuitive. The mindset of Hamas is not *the* problem, the funding of a terror group by the government that is fighting against it is the problem. Understand the dilemma here: If Netanyahu STOPPED GIVING HAMAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, you have an entirely different scenario in play. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continual funding. |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 29, 2024 12:21:26 GMT -8
I'm not "caught up" in one singular action. It's just the latest. Two wrongs don't make a right, correct? I've heard you use that a time or two. If you gave me 150 Million Dollars, I'm not going to invade Israel, and so wouldn't MANY Palestinians. It's the mindset of Hamas that's the problem. Have you read their Manifesto, so to speak? They want nothing more than Israel, and all Israel's, to die. Go away. They're a very radical group. I also understand that Israel can do better, as well, but if Hamas was voted in to be in control of their side of the border, it was inevitable that there were going to be problems. But you are....because it's the only frame of reference you have. It's the only act you mention. And it's now nearly a year later, yet you're still only talking about one action, nothing that has endured since. Seems counterintuitive. The mindset of Hamas is not *the* problem, the funding of a terror group by the government that is fighting against it is the problem. Understand the dilemma here: If Netanyahu STOPPED GIVING HAMAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, you have an entirely different scenario in play. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continual funding. I don't remember hamas being around in 1972 at Munich. It was the PLO...you are simplifying. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 12:31:14 GMT -8
But you are....because it's the only frame of reference you have. It's the only act you mention. And it's now nearly a year later, yet you're still only talking about one action, nothing that has endured since. Seems counterintuitive. The mindset of Hamas is not *the* problem, the funding of a terror group by the government that is fighting against it is the problem. Understand the dilemma here: If Netanyahu STOPPED GIVING HAMAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, you have an entirely different scenario in play. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continual funding. I don't remember hamas being around in 1972 at Munich. It was the PLO...you are simplifying. No, I'm not. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 29, 2024 13:11:03 GMT -8
I'm not "caught up" in one singular action. It's just the latest. Two wrongs don't make a right, correct? I've heard you use that a time or two. If you gave me 150 Million Dollars, I'm not going to invade Israel, and so wouldn't MANY Palestinians. It's the mindset of Hamas that's the problem. Have you read their Manifesto, so to speak? They want nothing more than Israel, and all Israel's, to die. Go away. They're a very radical group. I also understand that Israel can do better, as well, but if Hamas was voted in to be in control of their side of the border, it was inevitable that there were going to be problems. But you are....because it's the only frame of reference you have. It's the only act you mention. And it's now nearly a year later, yet you're still only talking about one action, nothing that has endured since. Seems counterintuitive. The mindset of Hamas is not *the* problem, the funding of a terror group by the government that is fighting against it is the problem. Understand the dilemma here: If Netanyahu STOPPED GIVING HAMAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, you have an entirely different scenario in play. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continual funding. You're making excuses for Hamas. Of course the number issue is the mindset. I know it's not thee only issue. If you don't have that mindset, then you can give them trillions of dollars and they wouldn't invade. The biggest issue is mindset. I'll look more into your claim that Netenyahu is providing the money, but it's a cop out when you're saying that's the number one problem. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 13:25:08 GMT -8
But you are....because it's the only frame of reference you have. It's the only act you mention. And it's now nearly a year later, yet you're still only talking about one action, nothing that has endured since. Seems counterintuitive. The mindset of Hamas is not *the* problem, the funding of a terror group by the government that is fighting against it is the problem. Understand the dilemma here: If Netanyahu STOPPED GIVING HAMAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, you have an entirely different scenario in play. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continual funding. You're making excuses for Hamas. Of course the number issue is the mindset. I know it's not thee only issue. If you don't have that mindset, then you can give them trillions of dollars and they wouldn't invade. The biggest issue is mindset. I'll look more into your claim that Netenyahu is providing the money, but it's a cop out when you're saying that's the number one problem. And that's your default mode - Can't argue facts, you just want to manipulate information to your benefit. I'm sure you will look into it...lol. And you wonder why you get a hard time? |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 29, 2024 14:33:27 GMT -8
You're making excuses for Hamas. Of course the number issue is the mindset. I know it's not thee only issue. If you don't have that mindset, then you can give them trillions of dollars and they wouldn't invade. The biggest issue is mindset. I'll look more into your claim that Netenyahu is providing the money, but it's a cop out when you're saying that's the number one problem. And that's your default mode - Can't argue facts, you just want to manipulate information to your benefit. I'm sure you will look into it...lol. And you wonder why you get a hard time? Your default mode is to say whatever you need to say to fit your opinion. Lol. And, you wonder why you get a hard time? The fact is that someones mindset is the starting point. You'll reject that because you want to make Netenyahu the main culprit, and lessen the blame on Hamas. Shame on you. I did read up on Netenyahu, and have before, and it's like I thought before I read this new article on it. He's claimed that he allowed the funding by Qatar to weaken/soften Hamas and to get humanitarian aide to Palestinians. That's what he says, but that's just excuses from him. He has played a part in it, and I never denied it, but it starts with the terrorist mindsets of the people who have joined Hamas. Netenyahu has certainly exacerbated it. You should be ashamed of yourself, and it's been duly noted, for continuing to shift all the blame on Netenyahu, and lessen it towards the terrorist Hamas organization. If so and so and so wouldn't have done this, then that wouldn't have happened. Sheesh. Sounds like you're a hypocrite, again, when you say that two wrongs don't make a right. Wow. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 14:48:49 GMT -8
And that's your default mode - Can't argue facts, you just want to manipulate information to your benefit. I'm sure you will look into it...lol. And you wonder why you get a hard time? Your default mode is to say whatever you need to say to fit your opinion. Lol. And, you wonder why you get a hard time? The fact is that someones mindset is the starting point. You'll reject that because you want to make Netenyahu the main culprit, and lessen the blame on Hamas. Shame on you. I did read up on Netenyahu, and have before, and it's like I thought before I read this new article on it. He's claimed that he allowed the funding by Qatar to weaken/soften Hamas and to get humanitarian aide to Palestinians. That's what he says, but that's just excuses from him. He has played a part in it, and I never denied it, but it starts with the terrorist mindsets of the people who have joined Hamas. Netenyahu has certainly exacerbated it. You should be ashamed of yourself, and it's been duly noted, for continuing to shift all the blame on Netenyahu, and lessen it towards the terrorist Hamas organization. If so and so and so wouldn't have done this, then that wouldn't have happened. Sheesh. Sounds like you're a hypocrite, again, when you say that two wrongs don't make a right. Wow. ...What a comeback. No, these are called "facts." Pesky, resilient...facts. Rather than watch you blubber about "mindset" and other weird, abstract ideas that completely ignore reality and *facts*....It starts and ends with funding. Point blank. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 15:00:01 GMT -8
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 29, 2024 15:27:18 GMT -8
I don't remember hamas being around in 1972 at Munich. It was the PLO...you are simplifying. No, I'm not. I am officially renaming the Aztecmesa Poli Board to "The World According to Ryan". |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 15:30:23 GMT -8
I am officially renaming the Aztecmesa Poli Board to "The World According to Ryan". Okay? That's useful. I'm the only one so far out of the three of us actually posting factual information right now. But we don't have to agree. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 29, 2024 16:19:45 GMT -8
I am officially renaming the Aztecmesa Poli Board to "The World According to Ryan". Ha!!! Not just the Poli Board. There's the Sports Board, as well. Lol. If you don't share the same opinion as Ryan, get off the board, you're wrong. Lol. |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 29, 2024 16:21:01 GMT -8
I am officially renaming the Aztecmesa Poli Board to "The World According to Ryan". Okay? That's useful. I'm the only one so far out of the three of us actually posting factual information right now. But we don't have to agree. Of course you're the only one Ryan. You're the greatest. Lol. |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 29, 2024 16:50:39 GMT -8
I am officially renaming the Aztecmesa Poli Board to "The World According to Ryan". Okay? That's useful. I'm the only one so far out of the three of us actually posting factual information right now. But we don't have to agree. Ryan , I don't know if you are a millennial or Generation Z..but you tend to blow off history that occurred before your life experience. Your reaction to the "older guys" is kinda condescending, even if you don't realize it. You have to realize that those of us who saw the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy assasination, before digital, black people can't go into restaurants in the South...and yes, the 1972 Olympics have a different world view than you. that's all.... |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 16:55:59 GMT -8
Okay? That's useful. I'm the only one so far out of the three of us actually posting factual information right now. But we don't have to agree. Ryan , I don't know if you are a millennial or Generation Z..but you tend to blow off history that occurred before your life experience. Your reaction to the "older guys" is kinda condescending, even if you don't realize it. You have to realize that those of us who saw the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy assasination, before digital, black people can't go into restaurants in the South...ad yes, the 1972 Olympics have a different world view than you. that's all.... Again, no....I absolutely don't. And in terms of being condescending, you accused me of being a Hamas apologist, so...hard no. I love history. I studied history in college. I took AP Euro and World History in high school. I love history. What I don't love is revisionist history. This isn't about history, though. This is about one single fact: Netanyahu funded Hamas and continues to do so. If you fund terrorism, you don't get to pick and choose when terrorism finds your doorstep. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 17:01:06 GMT -8
Okay? That's useful. I'm the only one so far out of the three of us actually posting factual information right now. But we don't have to agree. Of course you're the only one Ryan. You're the greatest. Lol. Thanks. You know you could actually post factual information, too. |
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 30, 2024 11:04:36 GMT -8
But you are....because it's the only frame of reference you have. It's the only act you mention. And it's now nearly a year later, yet you're still only talking about one action, nothing that has endured since. Seems counterintuitive. The mindset of Hamas is not *the* problem, the funding of a terror group by the government that is fighting against it is the problem. Understand the dilemma here: If Netanyahu STOPPED GIVING HAMAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, you have an entirely different scenario in play. There is no Hamas without Netanyahu's continual funding. You're making excuses for Hamas. Of course the number issue is the mindset. I know it's not thee only issue. If you don't have that mindset, then you can give them trillions of dollars and they wouldn't invade. The biggest issue is mindset. I'll look more into your claim that Netenyahu is providing the money, but it's a cop out when you're saying that's the number one problem.
Firing on a UN vehicle a few days ago. Attacking aid convoys, blockading aid convoys from entering the country, starving the civilians, bombing their hospitals and blockading medical supplies from entering the country. Destroying their buildings, herding them like sheep into small humanitarian 'safe zones'. Then mortaring and bombing those safe zones. Palestinians dying of malnutrition, dying of skin diseases due to a lack of clean water, lack of antibiotics. They have turned Gaza into a place with worse conditions then most third world countries. Do you see that they are the aggressor here? What are they doing right now? Firing rockets into Lebanon, purposefully breaking the sound barrier with their jets over Lebanese air space to scare the civilians. Sending cruise missiles into Iran to kill a Hamas leader in the middle of peace talks with Hamas. Israel doesn't want peace. Shooting women and children. They are murderers. |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 30, 2024 11:36:54 GMT -8
You're making excuses for Hamas. Of course the number issue is the mindset. I know it's not thee only issue. If you don't have that mindset, then you can give them trillions of dollars and they wouldn't invade. The biggest issue is mindset. I'll look more into your claim that Netenyahu is providing the money, but it's a cop out when you're saying that's the number one problem.
Firing on a UN vehicle a few days ago. Attacking aid convoys, blockading aid convoys from entering the country, starving the civilians, bombing their hospitals and blockading medical supplies from entering the country. Destroying their buildings, herding them like sheep into small humanitarian 'safe zones'. Then mortaring and bombing those safe zones. Palestinians dying of malnutrition, dying of skin diseases due to a lack of clean water, lack of antibiotics. They have turned Gaza into a place with worse conditions then most third world countries. Do you see that they are the aggressor here? What are they doing right now? Firing rockets into Lebanon, purposefully breaking the sound barrier with their jets over Lebanese air space to scare the civilians. Sending cruise missiles into Iran to kill a Hamas leader in the middle of peace talks with Hamas. Israel doesn't want peace. Shooting women and children. They are murderers. That's kind of mean. "Firing rockets into Lebanon" why on earth would they do that? Hezbollah is nice... |
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 30, 2024 18:05:18 GMT -8
For decades Israel has endured rocket attacks, terrorist attacks and bombing attacks. They have tried everything to foster peace, they have given land (The Gaza Strip) made concessions, given their neighbors food and medicine…….only to be brutally and savagely attacked. These terrorist have brought this upon themselves. They started it. They are the people who don’t want coexistence, they want every last Israeli man, woman and child DEAD DEAD DEAD.
How do you live with that? The answer is unfortunately the Israeli people cannot. Nobody could.
In the biblical sense, the black flag has come out and unfortunately it means a lot more dead people on both sides.
Both sides are fighting a war for their continued existence. The Jewish People vs Muslim Fanatics.
Calling the Israeli soldiers murderers is very stupid and absurdly wrong. Any people have a right to defend themselves, and Israel has been pushed too far.
They have raised the black flag….this ends when all of their enemies are killed. 😢
Make no mistake, the people they are fighting are experts in asymmetric terror warfare and tough as they come. They have certainly won the hearts and minds of a few people on this board….who are apparently very susceptible to propaganda techniques launched from thousand of miles away.
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