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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 17:49:33 GMT -8
As with most topics, you think you're opinion is the correct one and everyone else's opinions are wrong. As with most topics, you'll grab a different subject out of thin air to TRY and nullify me. As with most topics, you'll make things more than they really are, just so you can read what you wrote, and pat yourself on the back. As with most topics, you think you're the expert on every one of them and you have all the answers. As with most topics, well, you get my drift. I'll take nuance over simplicity every single day. We are on different levels of thought. You're going to take this as me excusing or siding with Hamas, which of course is not true. If you can't see the obvious humanitarian parallels between the Israeli conflict and the Ukraine conflict, like I said....different levels. Perhaps you can take a stand against those who enabled Hamas, if you're so passionate about it. You're short term memory is failing you. I did take a stand against Iran, remember? The Ukraine war was/is horrible, as well. I talked about it. I'm not fan of Russia. I don't think any American should be. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 9, 2023 17:54:12 GMT -8
Of course you don't have to be an expert. You just have to have some level of intelligence to discern that interrelated events don't happen out of nowhere. Your level of understanding stops at "unprovoked attack" whereas mine understands this is a gross, vile escalation of violence that has plagued the region since 1948. www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/The truth is far more complicated than one 48 or 72 hour window. This is absolutely not a surprising response from you. You are one of the most pompous people I've ever encountered in my life, and that says a lot. Just because I posted about this one event and what happened in this event only, does not mean that I don't know the history. I decided to NOT bring up the past, since there's no excuse for their actions, at all. You're trying to give reasons for it. Wow!!! If you can, (highly doubtful) for just one second, stop patting yourself on the back, it would be a miracle. This issue doesn't call for it. Yes, there's blame to go around for both sides in the past, but in this particular event, Hamas is solely to blame. You're deciding to bring up the past to soften what Hamas has just done, and what they are doing. That's reprehensible. Shame on you. News flash. There's no excuse for it. Sheesh. You can't say you understand the history and then completely ignore it. That means you *do not* get it. Every statement thereafter is reckless and silly. "This particular event" is tied to the last particular event, as is the case for a conflict that goes back decades. Get off your righteous, moral high horse. Nobody cares about your holier-than-thou views, sorry to say it. Because you have trouble understanding: There is no excuse for the murder of innocent civilians. Zero. Terrorism has no place on our planet. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 18:13:41 GMT -8
This is absolutely not a surprising response from you. You are one of the most pompous people I've ever encountered in my life, and that says a lot. Just because I posted about this one event and what happened in this event only, does not mean that I don't know the history. I decided to NOT bring up the past, since there's no excuse for their actions, at all. You're trying to give reasons for it. Wow!!! If you can, (highly doubtful) for just one second, stop patting yourself on the back, it would be a miracle. This issue doesn't call for it. Yes, there's blame to go around for both sides in the past, but in this particular event, Hamas is solely to blame. You're deciding to bring up the past to soften what Hamas has just done, and what they are doing. That's reprehensible. Shame on you. News flash. There's no excuse for it. Sheesh. You can't say you understand the history and then completely ignore it. That means you *do not* get it. Every statement thereafter is reckless and silly. "This particular event" is tied to the last particular event, as is the case for a conflict that goes back decades. Get off your righteous, moral high horse. Nobody cares about your holier-than-thou views, sorry to say it. Because you have trouble understanding: There is no excuse for the murder of innocent civilians. Zero. Terrorism has no place on our planet. There are times to bring up history , and there are times not to. You decided to be the insensitive one here and bring up the history to try and somewhat validate what that TERRORIST group did. Shame on you. I know PLENTY about the history of their situation, but I showed restraint. You decided not to. It's not the time to do that, but that just shows your callousness, and insensitivity to this situation. Again shame on you. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 9, 2023 18:39:53 GMT -8
Jordan supplied weapons to Palestine. According to the Times of Israel, the weapons transfer was facilitated by Jordan, and was approved by Israel and the United States. Plenty of egg on faces to go around! |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 19:11:33 GMT -8
Extremely disturbing. Our longtime friend's daughter is trying to fly out, but can't. My wife is supposed to fly to Isreal for her wedding in March...but who knows what it will be like then. Sorry to hear that. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 9, 2023 19:38:46 GMT -8
Look, we are all "God's children", we need to get along. We need to accept that no one's god is right or wrong. Please, live and let live, this killing has to stop or we won't continue to exist! JMO
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 9, 2023 20:15:10 GMT -8
War is an ugly, ugly endeavor.
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 10, 2023 4:30:11 GMT -8
What nobody has brought up is the intelligence failure by Israel. They are really known for being on top of Hamas. Nobody is perfect.....
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 8:18:06 GMT -8
What nobody has brought up is the intelligence failure by Israel. They are really known for being on top of Hamas. Nobody is perfect..... Yes, and nobody seems to have an answer for how they penetrated Israel's defenses/intelligence, quite yet. |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 10, 2023 8:22:54 GMT -8
What nobody has brought up is the intelligence failure by Israel. They are really known for being on top of Hamas. Nobody is perfect..... Yes, and nobody seems to have an answer for how they penetrated Israel's defenses/intelligence, quite yet. Some say they were distracted by internal politics and the protests. Think the US is distracted? |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 10, 2023 8:34:15 GMT -8
What nobody has brought up is the intelligence failure by Israel. They are really known for being on top of Hamas. Nobody is perfect..... They were caught off guard. Pretty unusual. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 10, 2023 8:38:14 GMT -8
What nobody has brought up is the intelligence failure by Israel. They are really known for being on top of Hamas. Nobody is perfect..... Yes, and nobody seems to have an answer for how they penetrated Israel's defenses/intelligence, quite yet. I mentioned it earlier - It's very plausible that intelligence was leaked to Russia, who leaked it to Iran, who leaked it to Hamas. |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 10, 2023 9:03:25 GMT -8
Yes, and nobody seems to have an answer for how they penetrated Israel's defenses/intelligence, quite yet. I mentioned it earlier - It's very plausible that intelligence was leaked to Russia, who leaked it to Iran, who leaked it to Hamas. Ah yes, Russia...friend of the magas. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 11:39:09 GMT -8
Biden said it, as well. Hamas doesn't have much interest in the dispute. That's only an excuse to go in and hunt Jews, period. Babies, children and women, first.
That's why you don't bring up what has happened in the past to somewhat justify, (or at least it looks that way, a very bad look at that) in this terrorist attack. To say, but there's history here, is very insensitive in this situation.
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 10, 2023 11:45:22 GMT -8
Biden said it, as well. Hamas doesn't have much interest in the dispute. That's only an excuse to go in and hunt Jews, period. Babies, children and women, first. That's why you don't bring up what has happened in the past to somewhat justify, (or at least it looks that way, a very bad look at that) in this terrorist attack. To say, but there's history here, is very insensitive in this situation. If there was a way to go in and wipe out Hamas, without killing a few thousand Palestinians while doing it...that would be good. However, they are embedded within the civilian population as a defense mechanism. It's going to be very delicate and tough for the Israelis to accomplish. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 10, 2023 11:53:21 GMT -8
Biden said it, as well. Hamas doesn't have much interest in the dispute. That's only an excuse to go in and hunt Jews, period. Babies, children and women, first. That's why you don't bring up what has happened in the past to somewhat justify, (or at least it looks that way, a very bad look at that) in this terrorist attack. To say, but there's history here, is very insensitive in this situation. Hamas is a terrorist organization. They have interest in inflicting terror. It's not a "dispute"....it's a declaration of war. There is no justification for what Hamas did, for the umpteenth time. That does not change the motivations behind the attack, nor does it erase history. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 12:11:14 GMT -8
Biden said it, as well. Hamas doesn't have much interest in the dispute. That's only an excuse to go in and hunt Jews, period. Babies, children and women, first. That's why you don't bring up what has happened in the past to somewhat justify, (or at least it looks that way, a very bad look at that) in this terrorist attack. To say, but there's history here, is very insensitive in this situation. Hamas is a terrorist organization. They have interest in inflicting terror. It's not a "dispute"....it's a declaration of war. There is no justification for what Hamas did, for the umpteenth time. That does not change the motivations behind the attack, nor does it erase history. Yeah, I think we're agreeing here. I'm saying that Hamas doesn't have much interest in the dispute between Israel and Palestine that's been going on for decades. They simply want to take any opportunity that presents itself to inflict harm on the Jewish people. They hate the Jewish people and will harm any all Jews, be it babies, children, and women. They usually try and go after them first. Despicable. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 12:12:33 GMT -8
Biden said it, as well. Hamas doesn't have much interest in the dispute. That's only an excuse to go in and hunt Jews, period. Babies, children and women, first. That's why you don't bring up what has happened in the past to somewhat justify, (or at least it looks that way, a very bad look at that) in this terrorist attack. To say, but there's history here, is very insensitive in this situation. If there was a way to go in and wipe out Hamas, without killing a few thousand Palestinians while doing it...that would be good. However, they are embedded within the civilian population as a defense mechanism. It's going to be very delicate and tough for the Israelis to accomplish. Yes, and that's too bad, but that's what happens when you're up against a group of cowards. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 10, 2023 12:55:38 GMT -8
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They have interest in inflicting terror. It's not a "dispute"....it's a declaration of war. There is no justification for what Hamas did, for the umpteenth time. That does not change the motivations behind the attack, nor does it erase history. Yeah, I think we're agreeing here. I'm saying that Hamas doesn't have much interest in the dispute between Israel and Palestine that's been going on for decades. They simply want to take any opportunity that presents itself to inflict harm on the Jewish people. They hate the Jewish people and will harm any all Jews, be it babies, children, and women. They usually try and go after them first. Despicable. That's not entirely true. Hamas has controlled the Gaza Strip since 2007. A majority of Palestinians support Hamas. Hamas was founded during the first Palestinian uprising in 1987 by Palestinian activists connected to the Muslim Brotherhood, which has origins in Egypt. They are opportunistic, sure, but Hamas themselves are saying the motivations behind this attack are dissatisfaction with Israeli policies and the treatment of Palestinians in the occupied area, coinciding with the expansion of Israeli settlements. A lot of this has to do with disputed territory. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 10, 2023 13:08:22 GMT -8
Yeah, I think we're agreeing here. I'm saying that Hamas doesn't have much interest in the dispute between Israel and Palestine that's been going on for decades. They simply want to take any opportunity that presents itself to inflict harm on the Jewish people. They hate the Jewish people and will harm any all Jews, be it babies, children, and women. They usually try and go after them first. Despicable. That's not entirely true. Hamas has controlled the Gaza Strip since 2007. A majority of Palestinians support Hamas. Hamas was founded during the first Palestinian uprising in 1987 by Palestinian activists connected to the Muslim Brotherhood, which has origins in Egypt. They are opportunistic, sure, but Hamas themselves are saying the motivations behind this attack are dissatisfaction with Israeli policies and the treatment of Palestinians in the occupied area, coinciding with the expansion of Israeli settlements. A lot of this has to do with disputed territory. I'm aware of all the history regarding Hamas, but you lost me when you started basically quoting Hamas. I don't believe a word they say. Just as Biden said, don't be fooled by their supposed interest in the territory. They hate Jewish people, period, and are incredibly ruthless. |
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