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Post by sdcoug on May 14, 2023 10:32:13 GMT -8
The point was when Washington announced he was going to enter the Portal - many were confident he was going to go to SDSU but as it turned out SDSU was not even in his top 4 Same for the forward from New Mexico It is very difficult ( especially with NIL ) to sign players Washington went into the portal intending to be an Aztec. Then he got crazy phone calls that changed his mind. Alleck went closer to home after specifically saying NIL wouldn't factor into his decision. There are a LOT of 4/5's in the portal seeking what we're offering. Don't bet against Dutch & crew.
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Post by azteccc on May 14, 2023 10:50:46 GMT -8
O.K. so after the almost Natty win, AZTECS BB recruiting has basically gone nowhere. I can't stop thinking of The Talking Heads song: we're on the road to nowhere! Calm down
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Post by sdsuball on May 14, 2023 11:23:25 GMT -8
O.K. so after the almost Natty win, AZTECS BB recruiting has basically gone nowhere. I can't stop thinking of The Talking Heads song: we're on the road to nowhere! Calm down I think that there is legitimate reason for concern. A few years ago, after getting knocked out in the first or second round, we would get a Warren Washington to sign. Now... ?? We just made it to a national championship, lost Arop, KJ and Mensah, and that sane player doesn't sign... nor does Allick... when in sdcoug's words, Washington was a lock to sign with us last year if Mensah had left. I'm sorry but there is plenty to be concerned about here.
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Post by azteccc on May 14, 2023 11:56:46 GMT -8
I think that there is legitimate reason for concern. A few years ago, after getting knocked out in the first or second round, we would get a Warren Washington to sign. Now... ?? We just made it to a national championship, lost Arop, KJ and Mensah, and that sane player doesn't sign... nor does Allick... when in sdcoug's words, Washington was a lock to sign with us last year if Mensah had left. I'm sorry but there is plenty to be concerned about here. Take everything you read on this board with two grains of salt. No one here is in a position to speak with the authority of “he’s a lock”. I’ll leave that part at that, to make no mention of the “locks” that were Allick and WW THIS year. If you don’t get attached to guys that aren’t on our team, there isn’t anything to be disappointed about when they don’t end up here, and then you don’t have to be concerned after that. We’ve built a program zigging when everyone else zags. Fought every roadblock a mid major faces well enough to get to a natty. 2 months later and people are scared? Wouldn’t be me.
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 14, 2023 12:22:25 GMT -8
I think that there is legitimate reason for concern. A few years ago, after getting knocked out in the first or second round, we would get a Warren Washington to sign. Now... ?? We just made it to a national championship, lost Arop, KJ and Mensah, and that sane player doesn't sign... nor does Allick... when in sdcoug's words, Washington was a lock to sign with us last year if Mensah had left. I'm sorry but there is plenty to be concerned about here. nope
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Post by Gundo on May 14, 2023 12:52:51 GMT -8
O.K. so after the almost Natty win, AZTECS BB recruiting has basically gone nowhere. I can't stop thinking of The Talking Heads song: we're on the road to nowhere! Totally. All the talk about, P5s being foolish if we didn't get an invite, the way our Aztecs have won Football & Basketball titles, the fanfare from the city, the screen time of the school. It just goes to show, that you can build a winning program at the G5 level, and beat P5 schools, but without the unlimited checkbook, and donor base we're treated just like another state school. We're all just looking for the signs, the fan support is here, and the school investment has been committed, but now we need donors, sponsors, family, and friends to build up the NIL accounts.
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Post by azteccc on May 14, 2023 13:16:40 GMT -8
O.K. so after the almost Natty win, AZTECS BB recruiting has basically gone nowhere. I can't stop thinking of The Talking Heads song: we're on the road to nowhere! Totally. All the talk about, P5s being foolish if we didn't get an invite, the way our Aztecs have won Football & Basketball titles, the fanfare from the city, the screen time of the school. It just goes to show, that you can build a winning program at the G5 level, and beat P5 schools, but without the unlimited checkbook, and donor base we're treated just like another state school. We're all just looking for the signs, the fan support is here, and the school investment has been committed, but now we need donors, sponsors, family, and friends to build up the NIL accounts. Do you want Aztecs for Life, or do you want to rent a 3 time transfer for 8 months at a cost of half a million dollars? If someone wrote a check for $500,000 today, I’d rather it go to our current players than a WW anyway. If anyone thought going to one final four was going to change a job market, alumni base, and regional economy overnight…. That’s on them
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Post by Gundo on May 14, 2023 13:46:24 GMT -8
Totally. All the talk about, P5s being foolish if we didn't get an invite, the way our Aztecs have won Football & Basketball titles, the fanfare from the city, the screen time of the school. It just goes to show, that you can build a winning program at the G5 level, and beat P5 schools, but without the unlimited checkbook, and donor base we're treated just like another state school. We're all just looking for the signs, the fan support is here, and the school investment has been committed, but now we need donors, sponsors, family, and friends to build up the NIL accounts. Do you want Aztecs for Life, or do you want to rent a 3 time transfer for 8 months at a cost of half a million dollars? If someone wrote a check for $500,000 today, I’d rather it go to our current players than a WW anyway. If anyone thought going to one final four was going to change a job market, alumni base, and regional economy overnight…. That’s on them That's not what I said. But we won't get Aztecs for Life, (P5) quality players without building up NIL, Sponsors, and Donors accounts. That's more than obvious with both MBB & FBB 2023 portals. IN 2021, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in NCAA v. Alston that the NCAA was not legally allowed to limit any education-related payments to students. From there, the NCAA deferred to states, who created their own NIL rules. But in 2019 Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing. The problem, is I don't think anyone saw payments of $100K, $500K & $1MM as the baseline range for transfers.
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Post by sdsuball on May 14, 2023 13:54:50 GMT -8
"We’ve built a program zigging when everyone else zags. Fought every roadblock a mid major faces well enough to get to a natty. 2 months later and people are scared? Wouldn’t be me."
No doubt - we will probably end up relying more on high school players that we bring up and develop, alongside diamond in the rough transfers like LeDee. I think Pal fits into the mold. And no doubt we will be good next year - with Butler and Trammell, RDW, Parrish, LeDee + Byrd and Saunders - if you add say Pal to that group that's a strong 8 man rotation, and there is still DeMarshay/Heide/our freshman pg (don't remember his name). That team has a chance to make a run and cut down nets. Byrd and Saunders are really good and everyone else is experienced and talented.
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Post by azteccc on May 14, 2023 14:00:51 GMT -8
Do you want Aztecs for Life, or do you want to rent a 3 time transfer for 8 months at a cost of half a million dollars? If someone wrote a check for $500,000 today, I’d rather it go to our current players than a WW anyway. If anyone thought going to one final four was going to change a job market, alumni base, and regional economy overnight…. That’s on them That's not what I said. But we won't get Aztecs for Life, (P5) quality players without building up NIL, Sponsors, and Donors accounts. That's more than obvious with both MBB & FBB 2023 portals. IN 2021, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in NCAA v. Alston that the NCAA was not legally allowed to limit any education-related payments to students. From there, the NCAA deferred to states, who created their own NIL rules. But in 2019 Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing. The problem, is I don't think anyone saw payments of $100K, $500K & $1MM as the baseline range for transfers. But we just got the Pac12 Sixth Man of the Year like 3 weeks ago.
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Post by aztecking on May 14, 2023 16:09:21 GMT -8
"We’ve built a program zigging when everyone else zags. Fought every roadblock a mid major faces well enough to get to a natty. 2 months later and people are scared? Wouldn’t be me." No doubt - we will probably end up relying more on high school players that we bring up and develop, alongside diamond in the rough transfers like LeDee. I think Pal fits into the mold. And no doubt we will be good next year - with Butler and Trammell, RDW, Parrish, LeDee + Byrd and Saunders - if you add say Pal to that group that's a strong 8 man rotation, and there is still DeMarshay/Heide/our freshman pg (don't remember his name). That team has a chance to make a run and cut down nets. Byrd and Saunders are really good and everyone else is experienced and talented. For a school in our situation I think it’s far riskier to rely on high school recruits. Too big a chance they jump ship for a big offer when they first show promise. By going after transfers they are at least somewhat locked in as they would need to sit a year if they wanted to transfer again.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 14, 2023 17:39:21 GMT -8
Do you want Aztecs for Life, or do you want to rent a 3 time transfer for 8 months at a cost of half a million dollars? If someone wrote a check for $500,000 today, I’d rather it go to our current players than a WW anyway. If anyone thought going to one final four was going to change a job market, alumni base, and regional economy overnight…. That’s on them That's not what I said. But we won't get Aztecs for Life, (P5) quality players without building up NIL, Sponsors, and Donors accounts. That's more than obvious with both MBB & FBB 2023 portals. IN 2021, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in NCAA v. Alston that the NCAA was not legally allowed to limit any education-related payments to students. From there, the NCAA deferred to states, who created their own NIL rules. But in 2019 Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing. The problem, is I don't think anyone saw payments of $100K, $500K & $1MM as the baseline range for transfers. $100K, $500K, $1M is just today… Soon it’ll be $1M, $2M, $5M as wealthy alums pine for a national championship (which will be essentially worthless as you can basically buy a NC team)… MLB / NFL / NBA / NHL all have some sort of salary caps because the “system” is organized with collective bargaining… In collegiate sports…there is nothing like collective bargaining so the “haves” will continue to shut out the “have-nots” and it’ll only get worse in the coming years. This will ultimately effect the pro sports as well…as the non-regulated colleges siphon off (retain) the best players (those with eligibility) paying the best players far more than they could earn in the pros… The best-of-the-best players (and their agents) will reap big paydays at the expense of the universities’ funding (as more and more donations go to NIL and away from the universities), pro leagues (as the try to maintain a rookie salary caps), and the fans of the new “pauper” schools whose alumni are not big NIL supporters… Unfortunately the NCAA now wields a rubber sword in trying to force the genie back into the lamp… The future of most collegiate sports (especially non-revenue athletics) is, in my opinion, very bleak.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on May 14, 2023 17:54:42 GMT -8
That's not what I said. But we won't get Aztecs for Life, (P5) quality players without building up NIL, Sponsors, and Donors accounts. That's more than obvious with both MBB & FBB 2023 portals. IN 2021, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in NCAA v. Alston that the NCAA was not legally allowed to limit any education-related payments to students. From there, the NCAA deferred to states, who created their own NIL rules. But in 2019 Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing. The problem, is I don't think anyone saw payments of $100K, $500K & $1MM as the baseline range for transfers. $100K, $500K, $1M is just today… Soon it’ll be $1M, $2M, $5M as wealthy alums pine for a national championship (which will be essentially worthless as you can basically buy a NC team)… MLB / NFL / NBA / NHL all have some sort of salary caps because the “system” is organized with collective bargaining… In collegiate sports…there is nothing like collective bargaining so the “haves” will continue to shut out the “have-nots” and it’ll only get worse in the coming years. This will ultimately effect the pro sports as well…as the non-regulated colleges siphon off (retain) the best players (those with eligibility) paying the best players far more than they could earn in the pros… The best-of-the-best players (and their agents) will reap big paydays at the expense of the universities’ funding (as more and more donations go to NIL and away from the universities), pro leagues (as the try to maintain a rookie salary caps), and the fans of the new “pauper” schools whose alumni are not big NIL supporters… Unfortunately the NCAA now wields a rubber sword in trying to force the genie back into the lamp… The future of most collegiate sports (especially non-revenue athletics) is, in my opinion, very bleak. I agree with the other poster from perhaps another thread, who stated that the donors who are currently paying absurd amounts of money for players are going to realize the it isn't worth the investment. There will be a lot of high schoolers who get paid a lot of money to play basketball and just flame out and not be very good, and then they're gone in a year after not making grades etc. I don't think the bill for basketball players will sustainably be that high... It's only high at the moment because it's new. The ROI just isn't gonna pan out IMO
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 14, 2023 18:29:39 GMT -8
Do you want Aztecs for Life, or do you want to rent a 3 time transfer for 8 months at a cost of half a million dollars? If someone wrote a check for $500,000 today, I’d rather it go to our current players than a WW anyway. If anyone thought going to one final four was going to change a job market, alumni base, and regional economy overnight…. That’s on them That's not what I said. But we won't get Aztecs for Life, (P5) quality players without building up NIL, Sponsors, and Donors accounts. That's more than obvious with both MBB & FBB 2023 portals. IN 2021, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in NCAA v. Alston that the NCAA was not legally allowed to limit any education-related payments to students. From there, the NCAA deferred to states, who created their own NIL rules. But in 2019 Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing. The problem, is I don't think anyone saw payments of $100K, $500K & $1MM as the baseline range for transfers. It is like 1997 all over again… crazy amounts of money going to every tech start up and then boom… the money dried up… and they all went away… I would be shocked if schools keep coming up with $2m per year for BB and $5m to $10m per for football… it could last five years or so, but the NIL numbers are going to come down…
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 14, 2023 18:30:16 GMT -8
That's not what I said. But we won't get Aztecs for Life, (P5) quality players without building up NIL, Sponsors, and Donors accounts. That's more than obvious with both MBB & FBB 2023 portals. IN 2021, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in NCAA v. Alston that the NCAA was not legally allowed to limit any education-related payments to students. From there, the NCAA deferred to states, who created their own NIL rules. But in 2019 Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing. The problem, is I don't think anyone saw payments of $100K, $500K & $1MM as the baseline range for transfers. $100K, $500K, $1M is just today… Soon it’ll be $1M, $2M, $5M as wealthy alums pine for a national championship (which will be essentially worthless as you can basically buy a NC team)… MLB / NFL / NBA / NHL all have some sort of salary caps because the “system” is organized with collective bargaining… In collegiate sports…there is nothing like collective bargaining so the “haves” will continue to shut out the “have-nots” and it’ll only get worse in the coming years. This will ultimately effect the pro sports as well…as the non-regulated colleges siphon off (retain) the best players (those with eligibility) paying the best players far more than they could earn in the pros… The best-of-the-best players (and their agents) will reap big paydays at the expense of the universities’ funding (as more and more donations go to NIL and away from the universities), pro leagues (as the try to maintain a rookie salary caps), and the fans of the new “pauper” schools whose alumni are not big NIL supporters… Unfortunately the NCAA now wields a rubber sword in trying to force the genie back into the lamp… The future of most collegiate sports (especially non-revenue athletics) is, in my opinion, very bleak. Completely disagree
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Post by pbnative on May 14, 2023 19:00:22 GMT -8
That's not what I said. But we won't get Aztecs for Life, (P5) quality players without building up NIL, Sponsors, and Donors accounts. That's more than obvious with both MBB & FBB 2023 portals. IN 2021, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in NCAA v. Alston that the NCAA was not legally allowed to limit any education-related payments to students. From there, the NCAA deferred to states, who created their own NIL rules. But in 2019 Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay To Play Act, which prohibited the NCAA from punishing a student-athlete who profited off their name, image and likeness (NIL). With state law trumping NCAA rules, it meant any college athlete from a California school could make some money while playing. The problem, is I don't think anyone saw payments of $100K, $500K & $1MM as the baseline range for transfers. It is like 1997 all over again… crazy amounts of money going to every tech start up and then boom… the money dried up… and they all went away… I would be shocked if schools keep coming up with $2m per year for BB and $5m to $10m per for football… it could last five years or so, but the NIL numbers are going to come down… Eventually the Power conferences will get control of NIL moving it from independent donors and bring it into university control. At that point a large portion on the TV money that has been spent adding extravagant facilities will get divert to player salaries.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 14, 2023 20:02:53 GMT -8
$100K, $500K, $1M is just today… Soon it’ll be $1M, $2M, $5M as wealthy alums pine for a national championship (which will be essentially worthless as you can basically buy a NC team)… MLB / NFL / NBA / NHL all have some sort of salary caps because the “system” is organized with collective bargaining… In collegiate sports…there is nothing like collective bargaining so the “haves” will continue to shut out the “have-nots” and it’ll only get worse in the coming years. This will ultimately effect the pro sports as well…as the non-regulated colleges siphon off (retain) the best players (those with eligibility) paying the best players far more than they could earn in the pros… The best-of-the-best players (and their agents) will reap big paydays at the expense of the universities’ funding (as more and more donations go to NIL and away from the universities), pro leagues (as the try to maintain a rookie salary caps), and the fans of the new “pauper” schools whose alumni are not big NIL supporters… Unfortunately the NCAA now wields a rubber sword in trying to force the genie back into the lamp… The future of most collegiate sports (especially non-revenue athletics) is, in my opinion, very bleak. Completely disagree Which part do you disagree? The part where NIL money will continue to rise? The part where universities will get less donations from supporters? The part where kids will stick around longer in college and will end up blowing up the rookie salary caps of professional sports? The part where the supporters can buy the best talent? …or perhaps you think everything will work itself out and the courts will reverse its rulings to give the power back to the universities and the NCAA in the very near future… Help me to understand where we differ…
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 14, 2023 20:08:13 GMT -8
It is like 1997 all over again… crazy amounts of money going to every tech start up and then boom… the money dried up… and they all went away… I would be shocked if schools keep coming up with $2m per year for BB and $5m to $10m per for football… it could last five years or so, but the NIL numbers are going to come down… Eventually the Power conferences will get control of NIL moving it from independent donors and bring it into university control. At that point a large portion on the TV money that has been spent adding extravagant facilities will get divert to player salaries. How exactly will this happen?…will the courts reverse their rulings?… Even if student-athletes eventually become employees of the university in which they attend…how can the universities stop endorsement money from flowing to the student-athletes?… Michael Jordan probably made more than 20x the money in endorsements than he did in being an employee of the Chicago Bulls…
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Post by pbnative on May 15, 2023 7:06:01 GMT -8
Eventually the Power conferences will get control of NIL moving it from independent donors and bring it into university control. At that point a large portion on the TV money that has been spent adding extravagant facilities will get divert to player salaries. How exactly will this happen?…will the courts reverse their rulings?… Even if student-athletes eventually become employees of the university in which they attend…how can the universities stop endorsement money from flowing to the student-athletes?… Michael Jordan probably made more than 20x the money in endorsements than he did in being an employee of the Chicago Bulls… I guess I should have typed "NIL" in quotations? I say "NIL" since it doesn't seem that donors exactly paying 6 figures to players for just the Name, Image and Likeness? Are the donors just going to keep shelling out millions to "buy" a team every year? If they become employee's what makes you think the schools will want to stop endorsement money? Why can't the athletes have 4 year contracts with the schools and still seek endorcements? Isn't that the NFL/NBA/ Pro model that college sports seems to be headed?
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Post by standiego on May 15, 2023 8:57:09 GMT -8
an obvious thought the NIL has changed recruiting in one of the worst ways possible for coaches or at least coaches that have a limited budget . Then add the no sit transfer rule to make matters quite difficult .
Dutcher knows the difficulty and will have to do his best to keep and bring in players that want to be at SDSU . Also a touch of a player has to want to play defense to earn the extra PT .
Dutcher will try to bring in players that fit his game plan - be it HS or Transfer . As we have noticed getting players to sign is more difficult then it has been - even with the Champs game appearance -
Can the staff add another quality player or two that want to play for SDSU we will see
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