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Post by docmm on Oct 24, 2022 13:29:25 GMT -8
If he's good enough to get away with it, I don't blame him a bit. Every pro team and most upper level colleges teams in football and basketball don't care for the individual nearly as much as the $ they generate. 98% of coaches want the Doctors to make the call and tell the player, they're ready to play.
Team sport doctors have to have a certain professional philosophy or they'll never be kept on for very long. Yes, they have to know what they're doing but they're way more concerned with getting that player back playing ASAP than they are worried whether or not that player can run around with their kids in 10 years. I had high school coaches do everything except tell me directly to release a player to play. My erroring on the side of caution with a kid's health was not a popular viewpoint for the coaches. After a couple years, I stopped doing it.
Players are finally powerful enough to stand up for themselves and mostly get away with it. Good for him. Football's way worse, you get a career-ending injury, they're generally only going to pay you if they have to.
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Post by missiontrails on Oct 24, 2022 13:44:09 GMT -8
With teams all across the NBA embracing "load management" maybe that's a sign that there are too many regular season games and the league should trim the schedule by about 15%... thus every game would be a bit more meaningful ("stars" more likely to play) and it would add some additional rest into the schedule for the players who apparently need it so much. This exactly, even before load management came into vogue, I thought there were too many regular season games. The playoffs are drawn out as well. Yes, I know.....it's the money. Still doesn't make it right. MLB has too many games as well. |
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Post by hoobs on Oct 24, 2022 14:00:10 GMT -8
With teams all across the NBA embracing "load management" maybe that's a sign that there are too many regular season games and the league should trim the schedule by about 15%... thus every game would be a bit more meaningful ("stars" more likely to play) and it would add some additional rest into the schedule for the players who apparently need it so much. Trim the schedule? Never going to happen with the amount of money involved for the owners and players. Heck, just look at the NFL, they just added a regular season game and reduced one pre-season game. There is just way too much money involved for both owners and players to think about. I bet most players would say they wouldn't want the games reduced if it meant a reduction in salaries. They prefer this method and it gives the younger players more opportunity. Overall, I would mostly agree with you but way too much money is impacting those decisions. Oh, I agree it would never happen due to $$$ But it SHOULD happen...  |
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Post by mySTRAS on Oct 24, 2022 14:15:56 GMT -8
I intently watched him play throughout his career; I love the guy and he is far and away one of the best players I have ever seen (on the level of Magic, Bird, MJ and LBJ). When he was with SA, and they won it all, I thought he was overused and could understand that he was getting exhausted (40+ minutes a game with the ball in his hands nearly every time down the court). But now? . . . all I know is he doesn't seem to have any limitations when he is out there. He just took a whole year off. He is accepting coming off the bench . . . while the team is getting smoked and down by 20? Maybe start the game after having just warmed up and keep pace for the first 5-10 minutes instead of coming in off the bench cold (having just sat for 45 minutes), down by 20 and having to exert all that energy to try to get back into the game. That seems like "overload" or "mis-load" management to me. As an Aztec, I am tired of making excuses for the guy (which I have to do to all the time to my Laker fan buddies). If you can't play because of tendinitis or whatever (see Bernard King), then call it a career (with over $250M in earnings) cause right now your are embarrassing yourself. JMO I understand being disappointed if you’re a fan who purchased tickets to see him play and he didn’t so he could rest. I don’t understand your comfort opining on how best he should be used, considering it’s his health and body. Certainly, I think he’d know best whether coming off the bench matters. And regarding “defending him,” you literally don’t have to. He doesn’t seem worried about anybody’s perception of him. You really don’t need to be worried about it.  |
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Post by carpediemaztec on Oct 24, 2022 14:17:38 GMT -8
Maybe I am too old school but all this talk of "getting away with it" is my problem with it, and the decision being made by others (doctors; trainers) is a load of bull as well. LBJ plays every game he can (at least it appears to me he does) as do other stars (Curry, Antetekumbo; Clay Thomas; Jason Tatum, Booker even Durant) For bleeping sake -his own teammate Paul George plays 40 minutes a night damn near every night - he isn't coming to the training staff saying yeah I'm gonna be sitting this one out. If as a coach or a trainer, you asked Bird or Magic or MJ or Kareem to "load manage" during a game they would tell you where to go - 84 nights a year 30-35 minutes a game - with all the training and medical staff, jacuzzis, massages, ice/heat, nutrition, whatever you want or need how hard is that? You are making probably $1M per game; 31 years old in the prime of your life. It's freaking basketball and you are supposed to be a notorious gym rat, yet you sit for the entire first half watching your team get blown out and you don't "ask (demand) to get in the game". Also when you finally got in, you make all kinds of plays - no problem. 21 minutes, 11 points/6 rebounds. I'd also note he got beat several times on defense and missed open shots due to rust I guess. Guys play pick up 5 nights a week an for hour and half. Yeah it sometimes it hurts but so what. Tape up, suit up and play the game.
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Post by mySTRAS on Oct 24, 2022 14:35:01 GMT -8
Maybe I am too old school but all this talk of "getting away with it" is my problem with it, and the decision being made by others (doctors; trainers) is a load of bull as well. LBJ plays every game he can (at least it appears to me he does) as do other stars (Curry, Antetekumbo; Clay Thomas; Jason Tatum, Booker even Durant) For bleeping sake -his own teammate Paul George plays 40 minutes a night damn near every night - he isn't coming to the training staff saying yeah I'm gonna be sitting this one out. If as a coach or a trainer, you asked Bird or Magic or MJ or Kareem to "load manage" during a game they would tell you where to go - 84 nights a year 30-35 minutes a game - with all the training and medical staff, jacuzzis, massages, ice/heat, nutrition, whatever you want or need how hard is that? You are making probably $1M per game; 31 years old in the prime of your life. It's freaking basketball and you are supposed to be a notorious gym rat, yet you sit for the entire first half watching your team get blown out and you don't "ask (demand) to get in the game". Also when you finally got in, you make all kinds of plays - no problem. 21 minutes, 11 points/6 rebounds. I'd also note he got beat several times on defense and missed open shots due to rust I guess. Guys play pick up 5 nights a week an for hour and half. Yeah it sometimes it hurts but so what. Tape up, suit up and play the game. Over the last 3 seasons, Paul George has played 48, 54 and 31 games. Over the last 3 seasons, Steph Curry has played 5, 63 and 64 games. Larry Bird's career was over far too soon due to back injuries. Jayson Tatum is all of 24 years old. LBJ is an athletic freak of nature. Over the last 3 seasons, Giannis has played 63, 61 and 67 games. |
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Post by carpediemaztec on Oct 24, 2022 15:43:06 GMT -8
Maybe I am too old school but all this talk of "getting away with it" is my problem with it, and the decision being made by others (doctors; trainers) is a load of bull as well. LBJ plays every game he can (at least it appears to me he does) as do other stars (Curry, Antetekumbo; Clay Thomas; Jason Tatum, Booker even Durant) For bleeping sake -his own teammate Paul George plays 40 minutes a night damn near every night - he isn't coming to the training staff saying yeah I'm gonna be sitting this one out. If as a coach or a trainer, you asked Bird or Magic or MJ or Kareem to "load manage" during a game they would tell you where to go - 84 nights a year 30-35 minutes a game - with all the training and medical staff, jacuzzis, massages, ice/heat, nutrition, whatever you want or need how hard is that? You are making probably $1M per game; 31 years old in the prime of your life. It's freaking basketball and you are supposed to be a notorious gym rat, yet you sit for the entire first half watching your team get blown out and you don't "ask (demand) to get in the game". Also when you finally got in, you make all kinds of plays - no problem. 21 minutes, 11 points/6 rebounds. I'd also note he got beat several times on defense and missed open shots due to rust I guess. Guys play pick up 5 nights a week an for hour and half. Yeah it sometimes it hurts but so what. Tape up, suit up and play the game. Over the last 3 seasons, Paul George has played 48, 54 and 31 games. Over the last 3 seasons, Steph Curry has played 5, 63 and 64 games. Larry Bird's career was over far too soon due to back injuries. Jayson Tatum is all of 24 years old. LBJ is an athletic freak of nature. Over the last 3 seasons, Giannis has played 63, 61 and 67 games. Don't get me wrong I get that is very difficult to critique the Aztec legend that is Kawhi. I don't want to but I also don't want to pay for very expensive season tickets to watch him sit on the bench when he is healthy enough to start and to play. Like I said, I absolutely love his game and his demeanor and his class. He is an athletic freak of nature too. However, he has played about 50% of the games scheduled for his entire career. I get that you may miss games and even an entire season for an injury. But it seems to me now he has had an entire year to rehab and heal. It is time to drop this load mgmt nonsense and go start and play or just retire cause he doesn't need it or want it anymore. |
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Oct 24, 2022 15:53:02 GMT -8
Over the last 3 seasons, Paul George has played 48, 54 and 31 games. Over the last 3 seasons, Steph Curry has played 5, 63 and 64 games. Larry Bird's career was over far too soon due to back injuries. Jayson Tatum is all of 24 years old. LBJ is an athletic freak of nature. Over the last 3 seasons, Giannis has played 63, 61 and 67 games. Don't get me wrong I get that is very difficult to critique the Aztec legend that is Kawhi. I don't want to but I also don't want to pay for very expensive season tickets to watch him sit on the bench when he is healthy enough to start and to play. Like I said, I absolutely love his game and his demeanor and his class. He is an athletic freak of nature too. However, he has played about 50% of the games scheduled for his entire career. I get that you may miss games and even an entire season for an injury. But it seems to me now he has had an entire year to rehab and heal. It is time to drop this load mgmt nonsense and go start and play or just retire cause he doesn't need it or want it anymore. I think it is time to take a deep breath and let it go. You are causing way too much stress on yourself. This is friggin sports for goodness sakes. Maybe we should put this kind of energy and thought into COVID vaccines or politics or .... Oh and to save a few years on your life, I would not be purchasing season tickets to the Clippers anytime soon. Too hard on your psyche. Just trying to help a fellow Aztec out. We all stand with you!  |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Oct 24, 2022 15:57:49 GMT -8
It's obvious you never seriously played sports nor had to go through a serious injury. Sorry but these people aren't machines some are very fortunate when it comes to injuries and others aren't. Unfortunately Kawhi hasn't been.
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Post by carpediemaztec on Oct 24, 2022 17:15:24 GMT -8
Haha, Okay, but next time some Aztec drops a pass or overthrows a receiver or fumbles . . . of Coach can't call a decent play . . . or "retires" on the job, should I expect no meltdowns on this board.
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Post by aztecs2019 on Oct 24, 2022 17:54:55 GMT -8
In all honesty, do you really want him to retire or at least leave the Clippers if he continues to load manage?
I'm sure Ballmer was on-board and supportive of Kawhi's load management needs during the free agency pitch. If Kawhi never went to Clippers, they wouldn't have Paul George either, nor would the Clippers had/have any shot of being contenders.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 19:10:06 GMT -8
KL was never injured as an aztec. Pashaad Penny was never injured as an aztec. Donnel Pumphrey was never injured as an aztec. Maybe they should hire Adam Hall as their personal trainer. He seemed to keep them healthy and they've all been terribly injury prone after leaving sdsu. Um, LEONARD only played 2 years and was 20 years old. That's why he wasn't injured as an Aztec. a decade of playing at the very highest level will wear on your body. Give him a break, if the CLIPPERS win a championship this season it will be worth it. Not surprisingly, you missed my point bozo  |
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Post by aztec619 on Oct 26, 2022 11:38:21 GMT -8
I look at it like this, I'm glad we have gotten the healthy Kawhi for how ever many years we have so far. There have been so many unlucky players like a Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Sam Bowie, etc who were injured and never got to play and win a title like Kawhi has. Do I want him to play every game, hell yes but I understand that everyone's body is different and handles playing in the NBA different.
Oh what could have been for players like Grant Hill, D Rose, Penny Hardaway. Injuries robbed these guys of what could have been.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Oct 26, 2022 14:21:01 GMT -8
Um, LEONARD only played 2 years and was 20 years old. That's why he wasn't injured as an Aztec. a decade of playing at the very highest level will wear on your body. Give him a break, if the CLIPPERS win a championship this season it will be worth it. Not surprisingly, you missed my point bozo BREAKING NEWS: You have just been awarded post of the day for the use of the word "Bozo" because that was a word I haven't heard in quite some time and is damn funny. Thank 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 |
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Post by aztecbb on Oct 26, 2022 15:12:37 GMT -8
Blame Adam Silver , the NBA regular season is the MLB equivalent of Spring Training. As far as the LBJ comparison , he hasn't played meaningful defense since the 2009 Finals...talk about load management!
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Oct 26, 2022 17:45:00 GMT -8
Blame Adam Silver , the NBA regular season is the MLB equivalent of Spring Training. As far as the LBJ comparison , he hasn't played meaningful defense since the 2009 Finals...talk about load management! LeBron hasn't played meaningful minutes since the 2009 finals? He has been in the finals like every year since then practically EDIT - misread it my bad |
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Post by missiontrails on Oct 26, 2022 19:26:02 GMT -8
Blame Adam Silver , the NBA regular season is the MLB equivalent of Spring Training. As far as the LBJ comparison , he hasn't played meaningful defense since the 2009 Finals...talk about load management! LeBron hasn't played meaningful minutes since the 2009 finals? He has been in the finals like every year since then practically I bolded the key words for you. I read too fast sometimes too. |
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Post by missiontrails on Oct 26, 2022 19:34:49 GMT -8
For all the wanna-be doctors out there. Kawhi has been experiencing stiffness in his surgically repaired knee. That doesn't mean he can't look like his old self a few minutes at a time while playing on adrenaline. Looks like some of you want him to play 40 minutes a game in October. I'm sure Steve Ballmer and Tyronn Lue would rather have him do so in April/May/June.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Oct 27, 2022 5:03:11 GMT -8
LeBron hasn't played meaningful minutes since the 2009 finals? He has been in the finals like every year since then practically I bolded the key words for you. I read too fast sometimes too. ahhhh thank you lol |
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Post by subbass49 on Oct 27, 2022 14:03:43 GMT -8
It's obvious you never seriously played sports nor had to go through a serious injury. Sorry but these people aren't machines some are very fortunate when it comes to injuries and others aren't. Unfortunately Kawhi hasn't been. Yeah...this part. I'm 44 now. I tore knee ligaments playing hockey when I was 18. My leg with the torn ligaments STILL doesn't align the same as my healthy knee. These athletes do what they can to entertain us, and many of them end up seriously damaged in the process. Lifetime damage. Let's try to have some perspective. |
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