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Post by aztecryan on Aug 25, 2022 6:50:27 GMT -8
meanwhile, my two young beautiful cousins in France got their entire educations n medicine subsidized in France. Now two successful doctors can help society and thrive without owing 300,000 each. We had a Navy Doctor in the neighborhood a few years ago and I am all for the taxpayer paying for an education if the resultant degree is used to serve the Government's need in medicine for a set number of years (as did this Dr.). He eventually went to private practice but I don't think tax payers should pay for a Dr's education with immediate private practice to follow. The ROI for the taxpayer is nearly incalculable and potentially negligible, especially if the new Dr. goes into private cosmetic surgery, for example. Plastic surgery is pretty important. I had to have potentially life-saving surgery when a skin ulcer got into the bone, causing me to almost lost my leg. How many doctors are making under $125,000? Likely very few. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 25, 2022 6:50:28 GMT -8
Now why is the GOP all up in arms about student loan forgiveness?...simple reason...it benefits Blacks by far the most...and they hate anything that benefits Blacks...even if it benefits them too.... Canceling Student Debt Could Help Close The Wealth Gap Between White And Black Americans"America’s racial wealth gap is well-documented, even if many continue to underestimate its existence. Black Americans’ net worth is, on average, less than 15 percent of white Americans’, the legacy of centuries of systemic anti-Black racism." "Today, the typical graduating college student owes about $30,000 in student debt, about four times more than they did 50 years ago. But that topline figure masks some real racial disparities. Consider that because Black students tend to come from poorer households than their white counterparts, they are more likely to take out loans — and take out larger loans. Moreover, even white students who end up borrowing money for college have, on average, more preexisting family wealth at their disposal to pay down their debts." fivethirtyeight.com/features/canceling-student-debt-could-help-close-the-wealth-gap-between-white-and-black-americans/ |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 25, 2022 7:23:16 GMT -8
meanwhile, my two young beautiful cousins in France got their entire educations n medicine subsidized in France. Now two successful doctors can help society and thrive without owing 300,000 each. We had a Navy Doctor in the neighborhood a few years ago and I am all for the taxpayer paying for an education if the resultant degree is used to serve the Government's need in medicine for a set number of years (as did this Dr.). He eventually went to private practice but I don't think tax payers should pay for a Dr's education with immediate private practice to follow. The ROI for the taxpayer is nearly incalculable and potentially negligible, especially if the new Dr. goes into private cosmetic surgery, for example. Point taken.... |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 25, 2022 8:48:06 GMT -8
Now why is the GOP all up in arms about student loan forgiveness?...simple reason...it benefits Blacks by far the most...and they hate anything that benefits Blacks...even if it benefits them too.... Canceling Student Debt Could Help Close The Wealth Gap Between White And Black Americans"America’s racial wealth gap is well-documented, even if many continue to underestimate its existence. Black Americans’ net worth is, on average, less than 15 percent of white Americans’, the legacy of centuries of systemic anti-Black racism." "Today, the typical graduating college student owes about $30,000 in student debt, about four times more than they did 50 years ago. But that topline figure masks some real racial disparities. Consider that because Black students tend to come from poorer households than their white counterparts, they are more likely to take out loans — and take out larger loans. Moreover, even white students who end up borrowing money for college have, on average, more preexisting family wealth at their disposal to pay down their debts." fivethirtyeight.com/features/canceling-student-debt-could-help-close-the-wealth-gap-between-white-and-black-americans/Meanwhile, back on earth... I resent that the major perpetrators is this fiasco, the bloated education industry with its exorbitant tuitions (that consistently rise faster than inflation (and even faster than medical expenses)), fat endowments, useless and duplicative administrative positions, ludicrous majors, great salaries, benefits and retirements, tenured positions, tax-free status (they are non-profit you know  ), all skate without one extra bill to pay or one commitment to cut the fat. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 25, 2022 9:37:26 GMT -8
Now why is the GOP all up in arms about student loan forgiveness?...simple reason...it benefits Blacks by far the most...and they hate anything that benefits Blacks...even if it benefits them too.... Canceling Student Debt Could Help Close The Wealth Gap Between White And Black Americans"America’s racial wealth gap is well-documented, even if many continue to underestimate its existence. Black Americans’ net worth is, on average, less than 15 percent of white Americans’, the legacy of centuries of systemic anti-Black racism." "Today, the typical graduating college student owes about $30,000 in student debt, about four times more than they did 50 years ago. But that topline figure masks some real racial disparities. Consider that because Black students tend to come from poorer households than their white counterparts, they are more likely to take out loans — and take out larger loans. Moreover, even white students who end up borrowing money for college have, on average, more preexisting family wealth at their disposal to pay down their debts." fivethirtyeight.com/features/canceling-student-debt-could-help-close-the-wealth-gap-between-white-and-black-americans/Meanwhile, back on earth... I resent that the major perpetrators is this fiasco, the bloated education industry with its exorbitant tuitions (that consistently rise faster than inflation (and even faster than medical expenses)), fat endowments, useless and duplicative administrative positions, ludicrous majors, great salaries, benefits and retirements, tenured positions, tax-free status (they are non-profit you know ), all skate without one extra bill to pay or one commitment to cut the fat. OK...I'll play along with your with "It ain't about race, but fiscal responsibilities and tax-payer liabilities" drag...why is it that you have said absolutely nothing about the $10 billion spent on the James Webb space telescope?...as a taxpayer...you're not getting anything out of that but some very nice pictures...yet your taxes went to exorbitant cost of parts, duplicative administrative positions, great salaries, benefits and retirements of tenured positions of mostly white NASA employees and private contractors...no complaints...so why are you crying now that taxpaying Americans are getting rebates?.... |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 25, 2022 10:18:27 GMT -8
Meanwhile, back on earth... I resent that the major perpetrators is this fiasco, the bloated education industry with its exorbitant tuitions (that consistently rise faster than inflation (and even faster than medical expenses)), fat endowments, useless and duplicative administrative positions, ludicrous majors, great salaries, benefits and retirements, tenured positions, tax-free status (they are non-profit you know ), all skate without one extra bill to pay or one commitment to cut the fat. OK...I'll play along with your with "It ain't about race, but fiscal responsibilities and tax-payer liabilities" drag...why is it that you have said absolutely nothing about the $10 billion spent on the James Webb space telescope?...as a taxpayer...you're not getting anything out of that but some very nice pictures...yet your taxes went to exorbitant cost of parts, duplicative administrative positions, great salaries, benefits and retirements of tenured positions of mostly white NASA employees and private contractors...no complaints...so why are you crying now that taxpaying Americans are getting rebates?.... Government largess is not new but many of the private contractors in the James Webb case, for example, had to compete for the Government business and the losers might have had to lay off some of their employees with the loss. Note that the same contractor that delivered the James Webb Telescope (Northrop Grumman) had their NPOESS program cancelled by the Government for their poor performance on the contract. Theirs's isn't exactly a land-office like business that many, many educational institutions enjoy. We, through our representatives, have annual votes on budgets, reviews & oversight committees of NASA and their programs, etc. In the case of the Student Loan Debt fiasco, we have one man cherry picking a 1965 law (that may not even be legal) to commit $300 to $500 Billion of tax payer liabilities (James Webb = $10B) with little to no oversight or recourse on the actual creators of this fiasco. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 25, 2022 14:50:49 GMT -8
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 25, 2022 16:26:16 GMT -8
"I love the poorly educated"! |
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Post by azson on Aug 26, 2022 7:05:49 GMT -8
"...and once cheap education is eradicated make sure to introduce a propaganda mechanism, ideally in the guise of a TV news outlet..."
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Post by 84aztec96 on Aug 26, 2022 7:19:27 GMT -8
You guys really think the cost of education is a right wing conspiracy? Going back to Reagan? Quoting some guy from 1970?  Come on. Too funny. Esp considering how left all the colleges are. I would be interested in the real reason the cost has gone up so much though... |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 26, 2022 7:42:36 GMT -8
You guys really think the cost of education is a right wing conspiracy? Going back to Reagan? Quoting some guy from 1970? Come on. Too funny. Esp considering how left all the colleges are. I would be interested in the real reason the cost has gone up so much though... Not a conspiracy. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 26, 2022 23:48:31 GMT -8
Biden is obviously attempting to buy votes with this, playing the greed card.
The problem is, this is beyond the scope of the President’s powers as outlined in The Constitution. Only the Congress can forgive debts of this nature, Nancy Pelosi is on record saying as much.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 27, 2022 6:49:41 GMT -8
Biden is obviously attempting to buy votes with this, playing the greed card. The problem is, this is beyond the scope of the President’s powers as outlined in The Constitution. Only the Congress can forgive debts of this nature, Nancy Pelosi is on record saying as much. Good thing is there's a backup plan then. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 7:49:55 GMT -8
Make the colleges pay for it. They are sitting on a massive cash stockpile with their endowments, for the most part.
I respect education greatly, but college has become a grossly and shameful overpriced enterprise.
SDSU is still generally reasonable (around $8K a year I read), but locally here in TX private schools TCU and Baylor run $60K a year. Good grief!
A great student should be able to go to a USC or TCU without costing over $300K when all is said and done.
Canceling student loan debt doesn’t fix the actual problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 12:10:49 GMT -8
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 27, 2022 22:57:41 GMT -8
There is A LOT of truth to the position that education needs to be reformed in America.
It is way too expensive (although the CSU system IS pretty affordable).
One of the biggest problems with the system is how much of it exists solely for gatekeeping purposes.
A lot of the material taught in graduate programs geared for professionals could be taught at the undergraduate level.
Why do people need to spend 2 years doing general education courses before going into their major? If they only had to spend 2-3 years in undergrad taking only classes in their major, they could get into grad school faster and have less student debt, and a lower time investment overall.
Why can't people that want to go to medical school take just the required science courses (anatomy, biology, chemistry, physics) instead of spending 4 years in undergrad?
The current college system is set up to be purposefully difficult and expensive, and not in a good way.
Having a full 4 years of undergrad, making people spend 2 years taking gen ed classes that they don't necessarily want to take, having a bunch of undergraduate degrees that are useless for finding a job without a graduate degree, what this does is filter out poor people and minorities. Less of them graduate, less of them are willing to take on graduate school.
Additionally (in case you haven't noticed) most of the undergraduate degrees that lead to good jobs after college (engineering, computer science) are dominated by men.
Conversely, a lot of the degrees that require both an undergraduate degree and a graduate degree (but the graduate degree could likely be taken after high school + 30 or so undergraduate credits) have more women then men in these programs.
It's not just socioeconomic inequality. It's sexism - straight up.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 30, 2022 1:21:40 GMT -8
Oh look
The fascists hate when banks suffer
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Post by aztecnails on Aug 30, 2022 10:48:31 GMT -8
Little known fact that those receiving this will have to declare it as income on future tax returns. This came from Yahoo Finance.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 1, 2022 17:12:52 GMT -8
Little known fact that those receiving this will have to declare it as income on future tax returns. This came from Yahoo Finance. Some states will require that, from what I've seen. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 27, 2022 21:24:15 GMT -8
Little known fact that those receiving this will have to declare it as income on future tax returns. This came from Yahoo Finance. I believe you only pay state taxes on it, and no federal. |
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), all skate without one extra bill to pay or one commitment to cut the fat. 
Come on.