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Post by ptsdthor on Feb 25, 2022 9:51:55 GMT -8
IMHO, the attack on Ukraine isn't about the prospect of Ukraine becoming a NATO member or Putin being nostalgic about the old Soviet Union. The former could be handled in a diplomatic agreement. As for the latter, why would Russia want to try and occupy counties that would likely be in a perpetual civil war footing going forward? Why would Russia willingly endure the political and financial isolation for such issues? While keeping Ukraine out of Nato and being able to pound his chest about the Russian empire is a by-product of his actions, in reality, this invasion is about who controls the Ukrainian natural resources and Putin/Russia has deemed it is worth the long term hassle. www.trade.gov/energy-resource-guide-ukraine-oil-and-gasAssuming that Russia will control the Ukrainian oil and natural gas reserves at the end of their invasion, how should the free world respond? Do some Nato countries continue to buy Russian/Ukrainian oil and gas as they do now? If not, where do they go? Do they allow the price per barrel of oil to stay high as it funds the Russian economy & Army better than any other source of income? If not, how do they get the price to come down? Get on knee pads to the Saudi's? Why would they ever want to lower the price of oil? As the Biden admin slows down and impairs the U.S. domestic oil and gas production, it only reduces the total global consumption of carbon temporarily as customers find alternatives. Oh yeah, I forgot....a filthy rich & powerful Russia and extraordinarily high oil & gas prices, we will see Jane and Joe Sixpack live like the Amish and the local Gas and Electric company will convert to more expensive and less reliable energy alternatives. Oh joy! Perhaps we reconsider nuclear power and we get back to buying US mined Uranium from Rosatom, the Russian state owned corporation that owns Uranium One? Not to fear, I'm sure that oil tycoon Hunter Biden can figure out our way forward. |
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Post by aardvark on Feb 25, 2022 10:56:18 GMT -8
IMHO, the attack on Ukraine isn't about the prospect of Ukraine becoming a NATO member or Putin being nostalgic about the old Soviet Union. The former could be handled in a diplomatic agreement. As for the latter, why would Russia want to try and occupy counties that would likely be in a perpetual civil war footing going forward? Why would Russia willingly endure the political and financial isolation for such issues? While keeping Ukraine out of Nato and being able to pound his chest about the Russian empire is a by-product of his actions, in reality, this invasion is about who controls the Ukrainian natural resources and Putin/Russia has deemed it is worth the long term hassle. www.trade.gov/energy-resource-guide-ukraine-oil-and-gasAssuming that Russia will control the Ukrainian oil and natural gas reserves at the end of their invasion, how should the free world respond? Do some Nato countries continue to buy Russian/Ukrainian oil and gas as they do now? If not, where do they go? Do they allow the price per barrel of oil to stay high as it funds the Russian economy & Army better than any other source of income? If not, how do they get the price to come down? Get on knee pads to the Saudi's? Why would they ever want to lower the price of oil? As the Biden admin slows down and impairs the U.S. domestic oil and gas production, it only reduces the total global consumption of carbon temporarily as customers find alternatives. Oh yeah, I forgot....a filthy rich & powerful Russia and extraordinarily high oil & gas prices, we will see Jane and Joe Sixpack live like the Amish and the local Gas and Electric company will convert to more expensive and less reliable energy alternatives. Oh joy! Perhaps we reconsider nuclear power and we get back to buying US mined Uranium from Rosatom, the Russian state owned corporation that owns Uranium One? Not to fear, I'm sure that oil tycoon Hunter Biden can figure out our way forward. Putin is trying to get the gang back together--as in the rebuilding of the USSR. Putin is 70 (I believe), and is looking to build his legacy. His own population--and the free world--be damned. |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 25, 2022 11:25:01 GMT -8
Pretty frightening to think of a dictatorship. where one guy can assimilate all the power, and make decisions that could basically fry the Earth. What if Putin has become unstable? I'm sure he has some pretty serious fire walls against getting poisoned, which I'm sure a few around him would like to do. Of course domestically, there are those among us who are sympathizers. Any surprise that trump and Tucker Carlson quotes have been featured on Russian state television in recent weeks? Of course there's whacks like Steve Bannon who defend Putin's actions by saying "He's not Woke"!! thats a real quote. Know what the US government would have done with people who said those things about Russia in the 1960's? So, psdthor can go back to the real World threat Hunter Biden...what a joke.
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Post by ptsdthor on Feb 25, 2022 19:05:20 GMT -8
Pretty frightening to think of a dictatorship. where one guy can assimilate all the power, and make decisions that could basically fry the Earth. What if Putin has become unstable? I'm sure he has some pretty serious fire walls against getting poisoned, which I'm sure a few around him would like to do. Of course domestically, there are those among us who are sympathizers. Any surprise that trump and Tucker Carlson quotes have been featured on Russian state television in recent weeks? Of course there's whacks like Steve Bannon who defend Putin's actions by saying "He's not Woke"!! thats a real quote. Know what the US government would have done with people who said those things about Russia in the 1960's? So, psdthor can go back to the real World threat Hunter Biden...what a joke. Yes, Hunter is a joke as is our energy policy. Brandon's idiocy has allowed the evil Putin to soon be the Godfather who will be offering Western Europe a deal they can't refuse and the U.S. will not be in any position to offer an alternative. And last I checked, neither Tucker nor Trump or Bannon is in control of the Administration, our military, our foreign policy, our energy policy, etc. Scoreboard. This is all Brandon's stupid prize. And did you see horse face fearful that the war in Ukraine will distract us from the fight against climate change? Xi Jin Ping is licking his chops watching our buffoons in charge. Real world indeed! |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 26, 2022 8:48:25 GMT -8
Pretty frightening to think of a dictatorship. where one guy can assimilate all the power, and make decisions that could basically fry the Earth. What if Putin has become unstable? I'm sure he has some pretty serious fire walls against getting poisoned, which I'm sure a few around him would like to do. Of course domestically, there are those among us who are sympathizers. Any surprise that trump and Tucker Carlson quotes have been featured on Russian state television in recent weeks? Of course there's whacks like Steve Bannon who defend Putin's actions by saying "He's not Woke"!! thats a real quote. Know what the US government would have done with people who said those things about Russia in the 1960's? So, psdthor can go back to the real World threat Hunter Biden...what a joke. Yes, Hunter is a joke as is our energy policy. Brandon's idiocy has allowed the evil Putin to soon be the Godfather who will be offering Western Europe a deal they can't refuse and the U.S. will not be in any position to offer an alternative. And last I checked, neither Tucker nor Trump or Bannon is in control of the Administration, our military, our foreign policy, our energy policy, etc. Scoreboard. This is all Brandon's stupid prize. And did you see horse face fearful that the war in Ukraine will distract us from the fight against climate change? Xi Jin Ping is licking his chops watching our buffoons in charge. Real world indeed! Haha, pushed a button and flushed you out. You do know that in a 2016 press conference, in front of the World, mango Mouselini took the side of putin over our own intelligence agencies? I'm sure putin was discouraged by that! as well as the famous phone call where Zalinsky is begging for much needed javelin missiles...but trumpy wants something else up front...and you remember well what that was. Final point...recent pro putin comments featured on Russian state television are from the people I mentioned. Thats considered helpful in his propaganda effort leading up to what we have now. In the old days, that's treason. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Feb 26, 2022 10:07:56 GMT -8
Yes, Hunter is a joke as is our energy policy. Brandon's idiocy has allowed the evil Putin to soon be the Godfather who will be offering Western Europe a deal they can't refuse and the U.S. will not be in any position to offer an alternative. And last I checked, neither Tucker nor Trump or Bannon is in control of the Administration, our military, our foreign policy, our energy policy, etc. Scoreboard. This is all Brandon's stupid prize. And did you see horse face fearful that the war in Ukraine will distract us from the fight against climate change? Xi Jin Ping is licking his chops watching our buffoons in charge. Real world indeed! Haha, pushed a button and flushed you out. You do know that in a 2016 press conference, in front of the World, mango Mouselini took the side of putin over our own intelligence agencies? I'm sure putin was discouraged by that! as well as the famous phone call where Zalinsky is begging for much needed javelin missiles...but trumpy wants something else up front...and you remember well what that was. Final point...recent pro putin comments featured on Russian state television are from the people I mentioned. Thats considered helpful in his propaganda effort leading up to what we have now. In the old days, that's treason. Haha indeed. Trump still living rent free, I see. Next you will be quoting the Steele Dossier. apnews.com/article/moscow-north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-71fd3f8ee74f488fb788accf1e7978e4Again, scoreboard. Please regale us about Obama and his additional flexibility with Putin after his reelection, Obama Admin selling our uranium rights to Russia, Obama/Hillary and her "reset" button with Russia, the bribe from the Moscow mayor's wife to the Brandon's family, Brandon's approving Nord Stream 2 pipeline for Russia, Brandon halting lethal weapons to Ukraine. Words are one thing. Actions are another. We know who were on knee pads to Russia. www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169 |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 26, 2022 11:47:29 GMT -8
Haha, pushed a button and flushed you out. You do know that in a 2016 press conference, in front of the World, mango Mouselini took the side of putin over our own intelligence agencies? I'm sure putin was discouraged by that! as well as the famous phone call where Zalinsky is begging for much needed javelin missiles...but trumpy wants something else up front...and you remember well what that was. Final point...recent pro putin comments featured on Russian state television are from the people I mentioned. Thats considered helpful in his propaganda effort leading up to what we have now. In the old days, that's treason. Haha indeed. Trump still living rent free, I see. Next you will be quoting the Steele Dossier. apnews.com/article/moscow-north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-71fd3f8ee74f488fb788accf1e7978e4Again, scoreboard. Please regale us about Obama and his additional flexibility with Putin after his reelection, Obama Admin selling our uranium rights to Russia, Obama/Hillary and her "reset" button with Russia, the bribe from the Moscow mayor's wife to the Brandon's family, Brandon's approving Nord Stream 2 pipeline for Russia, Brandon halting lethal weapons to Ukraine. Words are one thing. Actions are another. We know who were on knee pads to Russia. www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169This discussion is irrelevant, you and I (and our families) would fry at the same temperature. The way putin is talking, he is talking some crazy $#!+ not heard since 1962. This could easily get out of hand, and then blame won't even matter...will it? Let's at least agree that we hope this doesn't go next level. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 26, 2022 19:14:53 GMT -8
Haha, pushed a button and flushed you out. You do know that in a 2016 press conference, in front of the World, mango Mouselini took the side of putin over our own intelligence agencies? I'm sure putin was discouraged by that! as well as the famous phone call where Zalinsky is begging for much needed javelin missiles...but trumpy wants something else up front...and you remember well what that was. Final point...recent pro putin comments featured on Russian state television are from the people I mentioned. Thats considered helpful in his propaganda effort leading up to what we have now. In the old days, that's treason. Haha indeed. Trump still living rent free, I see. Next you will be quoting the Steele Dossier. apnews.com/article/moscow-north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-politics-71fd3f8ee74f488fb788accf1e7978e4Again, scoreboard. Please regale us about Obama and his additional flexibility with Putin after his reelection, Obama Admin selling our uranium rights to Russia, Obama/Hillary and her "reset" button with Russia, the bribe from the Moscow mayor's wife to the Brandon's family, Brandon's approving Nord Stream 2 pipeline for Russia, Brandon halting lethal weapons to Ukraine. Words are one thing. Actions are another. We know who were on knee pads to Russia. www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169Facts. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 26, 2022 19:42:53 GMT -8
If you like alternative truths, sure. |
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 27, 2022 0:15:30 GMT -8
IMHO, the attack on Ukraine isn't about the prospect of Ukraine becoming a NATO member or Putin being nostalgic about the old Soviet Union. The former could be handled in a diplomatic agreement. As for the latter, why would Russia want to try and occupy counties that would likely be in a perpetual civil war footing going forward? Why would Russia willingly endure the political and financial isolation for such issues? While keeping Ukraine out of Nato and being able to pound his chest about the Russian empire is a by-product of his actions, in reality, this invasion is about who controls the Ukrainian natural resources and Putin/Russia has deemed it is worth the long term hassle. www.trade.gov/energy-resource-guide-ukraine-oil-and-gasAssuming that Russia will control the Ukrainian oil and natural gas reserves at the end of their invasion, how should the free world respond? Do some Nato countries continue to buy Russian/Ukrainian oil and gas as they do now? If not, where do they go? Do they allow the price per barrel of oil to stay high as it funds the Russian economy & Army better than any other source of income? If not, how do they get the price to come down? Get on knee pads to the Saudi's? Why would they ever want to lower the price of oil? As the Biden admin slows down and impairs the U.S. domestic oil and gas production, it only reduces the total global consumption of carbon temporarily as customers find alternatives. Oh yeah, I forgot....a filthy rich & powerful Russia and extraordinarily high oil & gas prices, we will see Jane and Joe Sixpack live like the Amish and the local Gas and Electric company will convert to more expensive and less reliable energy alternatives. Oh joy! Perhaps we reconsider nuclear power and we get back to buying US mined Uranium from Rosatom, the Russian state owned corporation that owns Uranium One? Not to fear, I'm sure that oil tycoon Hunter Biden can figure out our way forward. It is unbelievable that Ukraine and Russia are at war. It would be like if our relations with Canada soured to the point of war. They historically have been very close allies. At times they were unified as one country/empire. "Ukraine’s move toward the Western bloc in the name of having a democratic state has made the Russian establishment feel betrayed because Kiev’s national identity and history is much more linked to Russia than Turkic states in Central Asia and Baltic states in eastern Europe, which were also part of the Soviets.
Moscow’s ruling establishment feels so emotional because the first Russian state called Kievan Rus was established in Kiev 12 centuries ago. Even the name of Russia originated in the name of this loose confederation of Eastern Slavic, Baltic and Finnic nations.
Following Rurik, his successors embraced Orthodox Christianity under Byzantine influence, partly because Orthodox Slavs had largely populated their territories. As a result, Slavism and Orthodox Christianity have become the two dominant elements of the Russian identity.
In time, the Russian capital moved first to Saint Petersburg and later to Moscow, but the emotional presence of Kiev in the Russian heart has not changed much. Putin has continued to call Ukraine “Little Russia”, quoting a former Russian general, Anton Denikin."The Ukranian civil war took what were good relations between the Ukraine and Russia to bad relations. The idea of Ukraine joining NATO is similar to the idea of Canada (or the UK) becoming under communist rule. It's completely unfathomable and bothersome to them. It's also very much about the 17% of Ukrainian citizens who are Russians that moved there during the cold war. About a third of the population speaks Russian: “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory,” the Russian president said in 2005, when Ukraine’s anti-Russian pro-EU Orange Revolution was raging across the country."I truly do not believe that Russia wants to go on a warmongering spree. But they do want NATO out of their sphere of influence, and they do want the civil war to stop (and the violence against their fellow Russians living in Ukraine). Putin is not carpet-bombing Kyiv, nor does he have any intention to have a prolonged fight. In his mind, he likely wants to eliminate the Ukrainian leadership and create a new government (and oversee it as an "autonomous" state). |
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Post by ptsdthor on Mar 3, 2022 8:35:20 GMT -8
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Post by North County Aztec on Mar 3, 2022 14:29:19 GMT -8
China asked Putin to delay his invasion so as to not interfere with the Olympics. I'm seeing wild numbers from 600,000 to 1,200,000 barrels a day we continue to buy from Russia. Way to go Brandon. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Mar 3, 2022 14:35:04 GMT -8
A message from one of my friends in Bucharest
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 3, 2022 19:38:27 GMT -8
Hopefully the "madman across the water" will end his stupidity in Ukraine. I fear that NATO will stick together and defend every inch of NATO territory. Appeasement didn't work with the Austrian paper hanger and it probably wont work with this KGB kook!
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Post by ptsdthor on Mar 3, 2022 22:55:58 GMT -8
China asked Putin to delay his invasion so as to not interfere with the Olympics. I'm seeing wild numbers from 600,000 to 1,200,000 barrels a day we continue to buy from Russia. Way to go Brandon. Well, we certainly wouldn't want to implement permanent solutions to the U.S. energy supply shortfalls because of "short term" problems like a bellicose Russia and high energy prices caused by a world full of nations with conflicting and competing visions for the future, right Mr. Buttigieg?  Those issues will blow over real soon, I'm sure! |
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 4, 2022 2:38:37 GMT -8
China asked Putin to delay his invasion so as to not interfere with the Olympics. I'm seeing wild numbers from 600,000 to 1,200,000 barrels a day we continue to buy from Russia. Way to go Brandon. Well, we certainly wouldn't want to implement permanent solutions to the U.S. energy supply shortfalls because of "short term" problems like a bellicose Russia and high energy prices caused by a world full of nations with conflicting and competing visions for the future, right Mr. Buttigieg?  Those issues will blow over real soon, I'm sure! Blame Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia for that, "Democrat" by name only. Blame all of the Republican senators. If one of them were to flip tomorrow, Build Back Better could pass. Personally I'm pissed because I own GM's stock and the government tax credits for US auto manufacturers making electric vehicles was a nice little bonus on the company's future earnings. Build Back Better was structured in a way that lowered the price of clean energy through tax credits. "Those tax credits will work differently from past efforts to put a price on carbon. With many politicians remain skittish about raising the cost of energy, the Biden approach will make clean energy cheaper through tax credits rather than imposing taxes on fossil fuels." www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/10/28/climate-biden-build-back-better/ |
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Post by ptsdthor on Mar 4, 2022 13:31:33 GMT -8
Well, we certainly wouldn't want to implement permanent solutions to the U.S. energy supply shortfalls because of "short term" problems like a bellicose Russia and high energy prices caused by a world full of nations with conflicting and competing visions for the future, right Mr. Buttigieg? Those issues will blow over real soon, I'm sure! Blame Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia for that, "Democrat" by name only. Blame all of the Republican senators. If one of them were to flip tomorrow, Build Back Better could pass. Personally I'm pissed because I own GM's stock and the government tax credits for US auto manufacturers making electric vehicles was a nice little bonus on the company's future earnings. Build Back Better was structured in a way that lowered the price of clean energy through tax credits. "Those tax credits will work differently from past efforts to put a price on carbon. With many politicians remain skittish about raising the cost of energy, the Biden approach will make clean energy cheaper through tax credits rather than imposing taxes on fossil fuels." www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/10/28/climate-biden-build-back-better/Manchin should be given a Medal of Honor. Anyone who would keep a check on the legislative powers of the clueless and hypocritical progressives (See Pelosi, AOC, Sanders, etc) that never think beyond Stage 1 (as Thomas Sowell puts it) as they enact laws for the sake of their feel-good lunacy. Look at the conditions of the cities, states, sectors that they and their ilk control. Want to operate a CVS in downtown SF? Ride a subway in NYC? Spend an evening strolling thru the southside of Chicago? See the sights in Seattle's Pioneer Square? Pay the taxes (income, sales and property) in NY or CA (See U-Haul for that answer)? Want to pay for gas in CA? Do Teacher Union loving progressive pols in Congress send their kids to public El-Hi schools? Do they demand the wonderful Obama care coverage for themselves and their staff? |
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 6, 2022 18:13:09 GMT -8
Blame Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia for that, "Democrat" by name only. Blame all of the Republican senators. If one of them were to flip tomorrow, Build Back Better could pass. Personally I'm pissed because I own GM's stock and the government tax credits for US auto manufacturers making electric vehicles was a nice little bonus on the company's future earnings. Build Back Better was structured in a way that lowered the price of clean energy through tax credits. "Those tax credits will work differently from past efforts to put a price on carbon. With many politicians remain skittish about raising the cost of energy, the Biden approach will make clean energy cheaper through tax credits rather than imposing taxes on fossil fuels." www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/10/28/climate-biden-build-back-better/Manchin should be given a Medal of Honor. Anyone who would keep a check on the legislative powers of the clueless and hypocritical progressives (See Pelosi, AOC, Sanders, etc) that never think beyond Stage 1 (as Thomas Sowell puts it) as they enact laws for the sake of their feel-good lunacy. Look at the conditions of the cities, states, sectors that they and their ilk control. Want to operate a CVS in downtown SF? Ride a subway in NYC? Spend an evening strolling thru the southside of Chicago? See the sights in Seattle's Pioneer Square? Pay the taxes (income, sales and property) in NY or CA (See U-Haul for that answer)? Want to pay for gas in CA? Do Teacher Union loving progressive pols in Congress send their kids to public El-Hi schools? Do they demand the wonderful Obama care coverage for themselves and their staff? Seven of the top ten poorest states in the country are led by Republicans. |
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Those issues will blow over real soon, I'm sure!
Those issues will blow over real soon, I'm sure!