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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 19, 2021 12:14:31 GMT -8
"Suspicious activity"? Is that what you call looting and setting buildings on fire? I would suggest that, if there is violence in your neighborhood, you not get involved unless your home is being threatened. Instead, call the police, whose job it is to deal with such situations. Oh, that's right. In some cases, including in Kenosha, calling the police may be useless these days. AzWm PS: I think it is important to remember that over one billion dollars in damage was done to businesses in many cities last year. Who were many, perhaps most, of those who were hurt by the violence? I speak of the thousands whose jobs went up in flames. Those victims were the minority owners of the small business that were destroyed, along with their minority employees. How often do you see that discussed on CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, etc.? William, all I am saying is that if the modern patrolling force is 17 year olds, who need a ride from their mother, while carrying a firearm their friend had to buy for them..it does not bode well. Well, hell, we all agree with that. Thanks, Captain Obvious!  AzWm |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 19, 2021 12:16:35 GMT -8
oh...and where did the kid get the gun? You also would have driven your kid across state lines..I think not. The bottom line is he had a right to protect himself, legally. Like I said, I personally wouldn't have advised my kid to have a gun, or to go to the riot scene. I'm believe in the right to bear arms, but I personally don't have one. well, I knew he would get off..however , these stand your ground laws and open carry are a slippery slope. I think we see more and more vigilante violence as we move forward. Again, why is this an "American" thing? The frontier ethic and wild wild west are way in the past. I think we are heading towards very dark times. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 12:26:23 GMT -8
More like I'm guessing you probably saw headlines and don't know anything on the subject. If Rittenhouse were a different skin color, we know how this turns out. Instead, he'll become a messiah for the gun toting loons that have a vigilante complex. This has far-reaching implications for social unrest and basically makes it okay to kill people in said social unrest. The judge's behavior throughout the trial has been plastered all over the Internet, so it's not really a secret that he was far from the impartial role he's supposed to serve in. Using the race card again. Shocker. You say if it was a black man in this case, he would be found guilty. Well, how is it a race issue if it was a white on white crime? The same race in this case minimizes your theory on it being about race, which you always throw in there. Give it a rest. Are you really this dense? It's not a race card. It's obvious if you have any inclination as to recent history in the matter. There are two systems of justice in this country and I've said that for years. It has nothing to do with who he murdered, it has everything to do with the notion that there are separate standards for those of different races. There are dozens and dozens of examples to verify this. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 19, 2021 12:29:34 GMT -8
I prefer to believe that this jury did a thorough and thoughtful analysis of the evidence entered during the trial. I did not follow the trial as closely as some. However, it is clear to me that the Rittenhouse did not just enter the scene and started shooting randomly. Remember that it was Rittenhouse who was being chased. Even the testimony of one the prosecution witnesses supported the case for the defense. Make no mistake, I think Rittenhouse is guilty of incredibly bad judgement. But his judgement before arriving on the scene was not, per se, at issue in this trial. I would also like to add that he would not have come to the scene had there not been a riot causing terrible damage to the community of Kenosha. Most of the "protesters" were peaceful? Okay, I will accept that. Many, however, were not. We cannot continue as a united country if some people turn protests into destructive riots. And our court system is in danger if crowds threaten to riot if the jury does not issue judgements they favor. One more thing. The POTUS made a statement that Rittenhouse was a "white supremacist". Instead, he should have said that he supported our jury system and would await the decision of the jury. But maybe that is too much to expect of Joe Biden. Question: Does Joe Biden believe ANYTHING? AzWm Willam, we have both been through the 60's and 70's upheavals. This is kinda new ground. If its ok to cross state lines with an illegally acquired weapon..cause you "want to protect the neighborhood".. future riots will become a war zone... the right seems to love it..but its heading towards anarchy. ps, I know that wasn't the charge."crossing state lines etc."..but this stupid kid is being made out to be some kind of cult hero by the right... name one other country in the modern world where this could happen? Correct me if I an wrong, but I believe that the gun was already in Wisconsin, and by the way, he was living part time with a parent in Kenosha. Also, the gun charges were thrown out, according to the comments of the defense attorney, who is now talking on TV. Clearly, Rittenhouse acted foolishly. But I also remind everyone that he was responding, however unadvisedly, to a gross breakdown in public safety. By now I suspect that most people, even those whose beliefs differ markedly from my own, now realize that the riots of 2020 represented a serious threat to this country. As serious, in my view, as the events of January 6th. AzWm |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 19, 2021 12:32:41 GMT -8
Using the race card again. Shocker. You say if it was a black man in this case, he would be found guilty. Well, how is it a race issue if it was a white on white crime? The same race in this case minimizes your theory on it being about race, which you always throw in there. Give it a rest. Are you really this dense? It's not a race card. It's obvious if you have any inclination as to recent history in the matter. There are two systems of justice in this country and I've said that for years. It has nothing to do with who he murdered, it has everything to do with the notion that there are separate standards for those of different races. There are dozens and dozens of examples to verify this. I don't think I'm dense, but I think you're a lot of things that I won't mention here. This case was such a clear cut case, and our country is MUCH more sensitive to these issues, (did you think about that, or are you to dense to?) so I think you're absolutely wrong that they would have found a black person guilty. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 19, 2021 12:33:19 GMT -8
well, there has been some suspicious activity on my street lately. think ill go buy an AR and start patrolling my neighborhood...what could go wrong? Sounds logical, afterall it's San Diego, there are a lot of dangerous skate boarders on the streets and sidewalks. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 19, 2021 12:34:01 GMT -8
It was just a wee bit more than that. If my kid told me that he was going to go down there and bring a gun for protection and help small business owners and provide first aid to people out there at a riot scene, I would have told him that it wasn't a good idea, but he had every right to do it. You have the right to protect yourself, period. oh...and where did the kid get the gun? You also would have driven your kid across state lines..I think not. He didn't get it from across state lines. I'm pretty sure |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 19, 2021 12:35:08 GMT -8
The bottom line is he had a right to protect himself, legally. Like I said, I personally wouldn't have advised my kid to have a gun, or to go to the riot scene. I'm believe in the right to bear arms, but I personally don't have one. well, I knew he would get off..however , these stand your ground laws and open carry are a slippery slope. I think we see more and more vigilante violence as we move forward. Again, why is this an "American" thing? The frontier ethic and wild wild west are way in the past. I think we are heading towards very dark times. Please! The jury accepted the defense argument that it was a clear case of self-defense. Let's let if go at that. Or are we going to charge the jurors with being white supremacists? This gets down to our faith in our jury system. The alternative is vigilante justice, which no one will be happy with if it comes to that. AzWm |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 12:35:09 GMT -8
Are you really this dense? It's not a race card. It's obvious if you have any inclination as to recent history in the matter. There are two systems of justice in this country and I've said that for years. It has nothing to do with who he murdered, it has everything to do with the notion that there are separate standards for those of different races. There are dozens and dozens of examples to verify this. I don't think I'm dense, but I think you're a lot of things that I won't mention here. This case was such a clear cut case, and our country is MUCH more sensitive to these issues, (did you think about that, or are you to dense to?) so I think you're absolutely wrong that they would have found a black person guilty. Our country is sensitive to these issues? Well, no $#!+. Maybe it's because there are two standards of justice and one side is tired of being lynched. Ahmaud Arbery says hello. The lengths people will go to to defend obvious racial bias is just insane to me. I get it, you have no clue what you're talking about...But stop pretending like this doesn't exist. We've been down this road too many times to keep living in denial. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 19, 2021 12:36:34 GMT -8
Willam, we have both been through the 60's and 70's upheavals. This is kinda new ground. If its ok to cross state lines with an illegally acquired weapon..cause you "want to protect the neighborhood".. future riots will become a war zone... the right seems to love it..but its heading towards anarchy. ps, I know that wasn't the charge."crossing state lines etc."..but this stupid kid is being made out to be some kind of cult hero by the right... name one other country in the modern world where this could happen? Correct me if I an wrong, but I believe that the gun was already in Wisconsin, and by the way, he was living part time in a parent in Kenosha. Also, the gun charges were thrown out, according to the comments of the defense attorney, who is now talking on TV. Clearly, Rittenhouse acted foolishly. But I also remind everyone that he was responding, however unadvisedly, to a gross breakdown in public safety. By now I suspect that most people, even those whose beliefs differ markedly from my own, now realize that the riots of 2020 represented a serious threat to this country. As serious, in my view, as the events of January 6th. AzWm Come on William, you've been around awhile. Remember Lyndon Johnson looking out the White House windows with much of DC on fire?..Detroit? Watts? Rodney King?..and many more..We have survived many riots..nowyou can remind me how many times the Capitol has been attacked..while in session? False equivalence. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 12:39:24 GMT -8
Willam, we have both been through the 60's and 70's upheavals. This is kinda new ground. If its ok to cross state lines with an illegally acquired weapon..cause you "want to protect the neighborhood".. future riots will become a war zone... the right seems to love it..but its heading towards anarchy. ps, I know that wasn't the charge."crossing state lines etc."..but this stupid kid is being made out to be some kind of cult hero by the right... name one other country in the modern world where this could happen? Correct me if I an wrong, but I believe that the gun was already in Wisconsin, and by the way, he was living part time with a parent in Kenosha. Also, the gun charges were thrown out, according to the comments of the defense attorney, who is now talking on TV. Clearly, Rittenhouse acted foolishly. But I also remind everyone that he was responding, however unadvisedly, to a gross breakdown in public safety. By now I suspect that most people, even those whose beliefs differ markedly from my own, now realize that the riots of 2020 represented a serious threat to this country. As serious, in my view, as the events of January 6th. AzWm Satire. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 19, 2021 12:40:44 GMT -8
I don't think I'm dense, but I think you're a lot of things that I won't mention here. This case was such a clear cut case, and our country is MUCH more sensitive to these issues, (did you think about that, or are you to dense to?) so I think you're absolutely wrong that they would have found a black person guilty. Our country is sensitive to these issues? Well, no $#!+. Maybe it's because there are two standards of justice and one side is tired of being lynched. Ahmaud Arbery says hello. However you want to frame it, but the fact is a black person, in this case, wouldn't have been found guilty as well since it was so clear cut. If he was found guilty, myself and many others woukd have been up in arms, especially the justice system as they would have been of Rittenhouse was guilty. Quit watering down the race issue, bud. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 19, 2021 12:42:55 GMT -8
I don't think I'm dense, but I think you're a lot of things that I won't mention here. This case was such a clear cut case, and our country is MUCH more sensitive to these issues, (did you think about that, or are you to dense to?) so I think you're absolutely wrong that they would have found a black person guilty. Our country is sensitive to these issues? Well, no $#!+. Maybe it's because there are two standards of justice and one side is tired of being lynched. Ahmaud Arbery says hello. The lengths people will go to to defend obvious racial bias is just insane to me. I get it, you have no clue what you're talking about...But stop pretending like this doesn't exist. We've been down this road too many times to keep living in denial. You, and others like yourself, love to fan the flames of race issues. Way to go!!! You must be extremely proud of yourself. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 12:43:30 GMT -8
Our country is sensitive to these issues? Well, no $#!+. Maybe it's because there are two standards of justice and one side is tired of being lynched. Ahmaud Arbery says hello. However you want to frame it, but the fact is a black person, in this case, wouldn't have been found guilty as well. If he was found guilty, myself and many others woukd have been up in arms, especially the justice system as they would have been of Rittenhouse was guilty. Quit watering down the race issue, bud. You have no clue whether that's true or not. You're guessing, in poor faith judgment, because you have no sense of anything that deals with this topic. Historical proof is on my side in a landslide. I'm glad you're admitting that you're a Rittenhouse supporter. Great moral judgment there. I'm not watering down anything. You are, by insisting that justice is equal in this country. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2021 12:45:00 GMT -8
Our country is sensitive to these issues? Well, no $#!+. Maybe it's because there are two standards of justice and one side is tired of being lynched. Ahmaud Arbery says hello. The lengths people will go to to defend obvious racial bias is just insane to me. I get it, you have no clue what you're talking about...But stop pretending like this doesn't exist. We've been down this road too many times to keep living in denial. You, and others like yourself, love to fan the flames of race issues. Way to go!!! You must be extremely proud of yourself. I'd rather live in a world where we acknowledge injustice rather than deny it and pretend that "white is right." I'm proud to have a standard for equal rights and justice for all, rather than a select few. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 19, 2021 12:48:00 GMT -8
However you want to frame it, but the fact is a black person, in this case, wouldn't have been found guilty as well. If he was found guilty, myself and many others woukd have been up in arms, especially the justice system as they would have been of Rittenhouse was guilty. Quit watering down the race issue, bud. You have no clue whether that's true or not. You're guessing, in poor faith judgment, because you have no sense of anything that deals with this topic. Historical proof is on my side in a landslide. I'm glad you're admitting that you're a Rittenhouse supporter. Great moral judgment there. I'm not watering down anything. You are, by insisting that justice is equal in this country. I get it, you always talk about stats from long ago and I agree that it was horrible back then. Fortunately, times have changed some and all walks of life are getting more fairly judged. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 19, 2021 12:52:08 GMT -8
If you haven't watched the video and/or followed the actual trial you shouldn't be commenting on these events.
Also, if you are surprised by the verdict I would strongly suggest getting some other news sources.
This should never had been brought to trial. There are some that want citizens to stand sheepishly by while mobs destroy what they want. And if they attack you, well, don't defend yourself or YOU will get charged with a crime. That is what was and still is on trial.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 19, 2021 12:52:13 GMT -8
Correct me if I an wrong, but I believe that the gun was already in Wisconsin, and by the way, he was living part time in a parent in Kenosha. Also, the gun charges were thrown out, according to the comments of the defense attorney, who is now talking on TV. Clearly, Rittenhouse acted foolishly. But I also remind everyone that he was responding, however unadvisedly, to a gross breakdown in public safety. By now I suspect that most people, even those whose beliefs differ markedly from my own, now realize that the riots of 2020 represented a serious threat to this country. As serious, in my view, as the events of January 6th. AzWm Come on William, you've been around awhile. Remember Lyndon Johnson looking out the White House windows with much of DC on fire?..Detroit? Watts? Rodney King?..and many more..We have survived many riots..nowyou can remind me how many times the Capitol has been attacked..while in session? False equivalence. Well, Germany and Japan survived World War II, but you might want to ask elderly Germans and Japanese what it was like living in their countries in the 1944-1949 period. I believe that the greatest threat to the U.S.A. comes from far-left activists who reject the legitimacy of the basic structure and history of the country. They would, if they could, turn it into a highly authoritarian land in which individual rights would be treated in the same way that they were treated in the Soviet Union and are currently treated in Communist China. Fortunately for Germany and Japan, they lost to countries with no interest in treating the losers as the winners treated Germany in 1919. Instead, the USA, Britain, and France deliberately helped the losers recover and adopt a system of government that respected the observance of individual rights and the ability to vote for their leaders. AzWm |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 19, 2021 12:52:40 GMT -8
You, and others like yourself, love to fan the flames of race issues. Way to go!!! You must be extremely proud of yourself. I'd rather live in a world where we acknowledge injustice rather than deny it and pretend that "white is right." I'm proud to have a standard for equal rights and justice for all, rather than a select few. I believe in fair justice for all humans. You brought up the race issue (shocking) so it went there. Sticking with this case only, it was obvious he was not guilty after sifting through all the minutiae the prosecutor threw out there. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 19, 2021 12:53:03 GMT -8
well, there has been some suspicious activity on my street lately. think ill go buy an AR and start patrolling my neighborhood...what could go wrong? Sounds logical, afterall it's San Diego, there are a lot of dangerous skate boarders on the streets and sidewalks. well...Poway is a bit boring ..in a good way I guess. However, I avoid any confrontation with another driver..or any stranger in a potential confrontation situation ..but I'm just smart and old!! |
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