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Post by johneaztec on Nov 14, 2021 10:50:38 GMT -8
Well, you weren't talking simply about fundamentals when you used the 6th year senior thing in your post to knock Johnson. Remember, there is nothing greater than game time experience. It can't be downplayed at all. You can be an 8th year senior and it wouldn't be fair to judge someone until they've had enough games behind their belt at the starting position, and have been allowed to show what you can really do instead being held back. You learn fundamentals at practice, but you need to have a chance to translate them onto the field in enough game time experience. They finally allowed him to be a QB somewhat last night. You also could have been on the Alabama roster for 6 years learning their system, but until you get a real shot and translate onto the field, you can't be judged. If you know that it's your one shot at being the starter, you're going to force some things. He has made his share of mistakes before, but what real game time experienced player hasn't. A player needs some continuity before being truly judged. This was the first game that the OC let Johnson fling it around a bit, and get into a rythmn. I just wanted to bring up the fact that when people want to say he's a sixth year senior, and look how awful he is, it isn't fair. I wanted to put it in perspective. I guess I took it for granted that most people here on this site have been following along for awhile here and have noted passed history and performances of these QB's. This is not a typical bench warmer picking splinters out of his a_s, this is a 1st/2nd string player who is pretty smart and has been a play away from playing his entire college career. I fully understand that nothing replaces live fire but what has been shown up until now has been somewhat lacking in PROGRESSION. I will also say I really don't think any QB has been helped out by the OC/QB coaches here at SDSU. There can't be progression without continuity, and you're right, the ultra conservative play calling had a lot to do with it. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 14, 2021 11:10:25 GMT -8
Do you think they are just getting lucky? Or do you think that the SDSU talent gap is huge… allowing State to win with coaches that don’t know what they are doing… State held a very good offense to 15 points below their average, out gained Nevada and won against the same team that handles BSU on the road… I only wish sarcasm was as easily recognized as when toxic Aztec “fan” flip-flops from criticism to praise based on the outcome of one game. My bad… I should have checked the previous posts… |
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Post by aztech on Nov 14, 2021 12:15:56 GMT -8
True enough, and I am guilty as anyone, gameplan was solid. Nevada total 8 yards rushing. GOOD NIGHT NOW! I heard announcer Aaron Taylor say, "San Diego State fooled NV into thinking they were going to run way more than pass." I think that's the reason Bell & company had holes to run through. NV couldn't stack the line as usual. They had Rocky's number for 3 consecutive years. That should now come to an end. Also I hope this is the start of a balanced offense, being the norm. It will definitely bring in the crowds next year. |
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Post by standiego on Nov 14, 2021 12:25:22 GMT -8
Any thoughts on our last drive . We had the ball and it was third and a makeable amount of yardage . We threw a longer pass that was incomplete that stopped the clock . So Nevada still had a time out . Maybe go for a short pass or run that could get a first down ? or at the least run more time off the clock .
Nevada got the ball after the kick off and still had a Time out and some time on the clock to possibly go down field for a FG
So any comments ? Yes we did win but it made it a little tougher on the defense who had to come up with some very good plays
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 14, 2021 12:29:47 GMT -8
Any thoughts on our last drive . We had the ball and it was third and a makeable amount of yardage . We threw a longer pass that was incomplete that stopped the clock . So Nevada still had a time out . Maybe go for a short pass or run that could get a first down ? or at the least run more time off the clock . Nevada got the ball after the kick off and still had a Time out and some time on the clock to possibly go down field for a FG So any comments ? Yes we did win but it made it a little tougher on the defense who had to come up with some very good plays Yes & No. They were stacked, looking for either a run or something short. We had man coverage with our tallest receiver on the outside. Had that pass been 1-2 yards shorter it's either a TD or a PI, and probably could have been called PI anyway (50-50 call). Game over in either scenario. Doing that paid off for Lucas against Utah. In the moment, and especially after it fell incomplete I questioned the call as well, but in hindsight I'm good with it. |
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Post by aztecs76 on Nov 14, 2021 15:14:54 GMT -8
I think that I probably will. Playing UNLV at UNLV with a possible title on the line brings back bad memories! holy $#!+, I remember that game way back in the day, I listened to it on the radio at my grandpapys house. I was 14 years old. Lucky for you to be so young as for me after watching that terrible loss I probably "aged and lost a decade" as I was so upset etc as many others were!! Hopefully this coming Friday night we put that nightmare to bed early with an Aztec Victory!! Go Aztec's!!! |
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Post by podpeople on Nov 14, 2021 15:56:34 GMT -8
holy $#!+, I remember that game way back in the day, I listened to it on the radio at my grandpapys house. I was 14 years old. Lucky for you to be so young as for me after watching that terrible loss I probably "aged and lost a decade" as I was so upset etc as many others were!! Hopefully this coming Friday night we put that nightmare to bed early with an Aztec Victory!! Go Aztec's!!! yeah, I was pretty blown away at how a team as good as we were that year would blow such a easy game. we were stacked. Blanton, Hakim, Blackwell, George Jones (not the country singer), a really good offensive line... our D wasn't horrible either. Tollner just didnt get them ready for the game. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 14, 2021 16:36:14 GMT -8
I find it interesting when people call Johnson a sixth year senior, but fail to realize that he's only played in around 15 games (not all of them full games) and only started in a handful, because of injuries, unfortunately. He's essentially something like a Sophomore, game experience wise, with only a handful of starts. They've finally taken the reins off just a bit, and he's shown what he can do in the course of a game, and also in the clutch in many instances. So, he's not a 6th year senior with a ton of playing time, but people will use that to enhance their criticism of him. I just like to put it in perspective. Of course he has not been a starter, nobody has ever said that. They are saying that for a 6th year Senior he should be a little further along in his basic football fundamentals of how to play the QB position. He has been in multiple college systems for the entire time allowing for him to obtain training, coaching and development for over 6 years. This is the point people are trying to make he has been around a D1 environment learning about football for over 6 years and most the times things don't really match up. I do have to say this offensive coaching staff has not made it easy for him with some of it questionable play calling. Kind of… When Johnson came to State he had been in an Option type offense for the entirety of his college career… so as COVID hits he comes to State and gets almost no reps… until fall camp… where he backs up Baker who gets the most reps… then he gets even reps over the spring and fall camps… In reality, more like a SO than a 6th year Senior. |
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Post by ramrodd23 on Nov 14, 2021 16:53:27 GMT -8
Of course he has not been a starter, nobody has ever said that. They are saying that for a 6th year Senior he should be a little further along in his basic football fundamentals of how to play the QB position. He has been in multiple college systems for the entire time allowing for him to obtain training, coaching and development for over 6 years. This is the point people are trying to make he has been around a D1 environment learning about football for over 6 years and most the times things don't really match up. I do have to say this offensive coaching staff has not made it easy for him with some of it questionable play calling. Kind of… When Johnson came to State he had been in an Option type offense for the entirety of his college career… so as COVID hits he comes to State and gets almost no reps… until fall camp… where he backs up Baker who gets the most reps… then he gets even reps over the spring and fall camps… In reality, more like a SO than a 6th year Senior. I say this when Joe Green transfer and SDSU got Johnson. But, I kept on hearing this garbage. “The fact he EARNED a spot in the ACC says a lot about him.” “Yes, he's an athletic, and an athlete who's had 3 years to work on his arm strength & accuracy.” “The fact you don't believe a QB changes or improves over 3 years is pretty naive.” “ Again - THREE YEARS! Injured at times or not, he's had more than enough time to mature & develop.” |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 14, 2021 16:59:10 GMT -8
Any thoughts on our last drive . We had the ball and it was third and a makeable amount of yardage . We threw a longer pass that was incomplete that stopped the clock . So Nevada still had a time out . Maybe go for a short pass or run that could get a first down ? or at the least run more time off the clock . Nevada got the ball after the kick off and still had a Time out and some time on the clock to possibly go down field for a FG So any comments ? Yes we did win but it made it a little tougher on the defense who had to come up with some very good plays Great question… it all started with TJ… great catch, but if he goes down inbounds then Nevada has to call a timeout before 1st down. Then for sure, State should have run the ball three times which would have brought the clock down to about 30 seconds before Nevada got the ball back. So if he hits the pass it is Aztecs up 26 or 28 to 21 making Nevada score a TD with 1:20 left amd 1TO… or… if he misses it is 23-21 Aztecs with 1:20 left and 1TO… I don’t think the TO is that important with 1:20 left. Most important, I like the bold move and think it gives confidence to Lucas and Shavers amd the entire offense. |
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Post by standiego on Nov 14, 2021 17:14:38 GMT -8
Do think the true game reps are way more important then saying a player had 2 or 3 years with a P5 school . The action in a game is some much quicker then practices - so we may want to find out how many snaps Lucas took at G Tech and were they meaningful ones or not
Same thing for Aztec MBB player Joshua who transferred here from Maryland - he was a back up almost all the time while he was there - yes had some very good players to scrimmage against but he had more PT here last season then all his time at Maryland
Coug - as you point out the long throw was either going to be an INT or possibly TD - or as it happens incomplete pass - all cases No time off the clock - Sure seems that our coaches could have come up with short pass play to one of our taller or sure handed receivers or even a running play .?
By the way the RB Armstead - have there been any reports how he has been progressing - know you do not want to bring him in cold - so maybe a few reps here or there - so he would be used to getting short yardage plays .
In addition which one of our RB is the best at blocking for the QB ? or do we have H back ? Know Rudolph is in when we go two tight end formation .
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 14, 2021 17:31:15 GMT -8
Do think the true game reps are way more important then saying a player had 2 or 3 years with a P5 school . The action in a game is some much quicker then practices - so we may want to find out how many snaps Lucas took at G Tech and were they meaningful ones or not Same thing for Aztec MBB player Joshua who transferred here from Maryland - he was a back up almost all the time while he was there - yes had some very good players to scrimmage against but he had more PT here last season then all his time at Maryland Coug - as you point out the long throw was either going to be an INT or possibly TD - or as it happens incomplete pass - all cases No time off the clock - Sure seems that our coaches could have come up with short pass play to one of our taller or sure handed receivers or even a running play .? By the way the RB Armstead - have there been any reports how he has been progressing - know you do not want to bring him in cold - so maybe a few reps here or there - so he would be used to getting short yardage plays . In addition which one of our RB is the best at blocking for the QB ? or do we have H back ? Know Rudolph is in when we go two tight end formation . I liked the pass as is… but get the thought that their may have been a better option… as for blocking… it would be nice to be able to see the Aztecs run an option to the weak side of the formation, with Johnson in the fun and Bell to his right with three receivers to his left. Most runs will be either inside or outside zone to the left or QB pull… but instead a quick option to the right, optioning the right side DE could be very nice. Similar look to when Brookshire ran a QB Power against Arizona earlier in the year. |
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Post by aztecfred on Nov 14, 2021 18:36:27 GMT -8
After being at the game n not checking stats during, I just looked at them. No TO's, 2 penalties! I noticed during game but, didn't know totals. A lot easier for team, QB n coaches to win if not shooting our selves in the foot. And LJ was my choice to start from the jump so, glad he is stepping up. Just get past UNLV and I will take my chances against Boise.
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 16, 2021 1:13:02 GMT -8
Do think the true game reps are way more important then saying a player had 2 or 3 years with a P5 school . The action in a game is some much quicker then practices - so we may want to find out how many snaps Lucas took at G Tech and were they meaningful ones or not Same thing for Aztec MBB player Joshua who transferred here from Maryland - he was a back up almost all the time while he was there - yes had some very good players to scrimmage against but he had more PT here last season then all his time at Maryland Coug - as you point out the long throw was either going to be an INT or possibly TD - or as it happens incomplete pass - all cases No time off the clock - Sure seems that our coaches could have come up with short pass play to one of our taller or sure handed receivers or even a running play .? By the way the RB Armstead - have there been any reports how he has been progressing - know you do not want to bring him in cold - so maybe a few reps here or there - so he would be used to getting short yardage plays . In addition which one of our RB is the best at blocking for the QB ? or do we have H back ? Know Rudolph is in when we go two tight end formation . I liked the pass as is… but get the thought that their may have been a better option… as for blocking… it would be nice to be able to see the Aztecs run an option to the weak side of the formation, with Johnson in the fun and Bell to his right with three receivers to his left. Most runs will be either inside or outside zone to the left or QB pull… but instead a quick option to the right, optioning the right side DE could be very nice. Similar look to when Brookshire ran a QB Power against Arizona earlier in the year. Lucas Johnson played in 4 games for Georgia Tech. In reality, due to injuries, unfortunately, he's actually not very experienced in D1 football. He's finally been given a chance to show what he can do since they opened up the passing game a bit last week and he took advantage of it. Too bad he wasn't the starter from the beginning. He'd be much further along if he had been. It's true, some people are gamers and, shine more in real game time action like Lucas. He's been pretty clutch against some good teams this year. Let's hope the OC continues to keep him in rythmn. |
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