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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 19, 2021 7:34:56 GMT -8
Just so you are aware, Politifact is a biased political organization claiming to be an unbiased "fact checker." I'm not going to go line by line to address all of these, but I'll just take the top claim as a sample. It says that Tucker claimed "Federal agents directly incited people on Jan. 6" and that this is "False." The problem is that he's never made that claim. The article itself reveals that Tucker asserts this is a possibility, but he never said definitively that this is the case. So why is the article claiming he did? The Politifact article goes on to assert "Tucker provides no evidence" for his suspicions. This again is false as Tucker indeed provides supporting information for his opinion. I'm certain you could go line by line and address each of these Politifact claims and find the same. He STRONGLY asserts it as a possiblity, states that he believes it's true - even though there is clear evidence that it is false (and no legitimate evidence to back up such an outlandish, partisan fairy tale). That's what he does. He presents misinformation, couched as opinions and beliefs, and his viewers believe it to be fact when, in fact, these claims are almost always absolute falsehoods. LIES presesnted as opinions and sold to the sheep. Strongly asserting something is a possibility is still not claiming it as fact. There is no "clear evidence" that what he is saying is false. You're just dismissing the evidence he provides. I'm curious how you feel about other commentators from other outlets such as MSNBC who make far more outlandish or actual lies denigrating people you disagree with? For instance, Rachel Maddow actually does lie on a regular basis to her viewers. Or is this kind of thing ok because it's coming from your tribe? |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 19, 2021 9:14:28 GMT -8
He STRONGLY asserts it as a possiblity, states that he believes it's true - even though there is clear evidence that it is false (and no legitimate evidence to back up such an outlandish, partisan fairy tale). That's what he does. He presents misinformation, couched as opinions and beliefs, and his viewers believe it to be fact when, in fact, these claims are almost always absolute falsehoods. LIES presesnted as opinions and sold to the sheep. Strongly asserting something is a possibility is still not claiming it as fact. There is no "clear evidence" that what he is saying is false. You're just dismissing the evidence he provides. I'm curious how you feel about other commentators from other outlets such as MSNBC who make far more outlandish or actual lies denigrating people you disagree with? For instance, Rachel Maddow actually does lie on a regular basis to her viewers. Or is this kind of thing ok because it's coming from your tribe? He's manipulating his audience. He's playing them. He's presenting MISinformation, but couching it as strong opionins knowing that his audience will buy into whatever garbage he says. And, yes, you saw the link to just one site that debunks his lies and rhetoric. He DOES lie. A lot. Oh, by the way, I first registered to vote as a Republican in 1986. After January I re-registered as an Independent. I have no, "Tribe." I don't have a side in this debate. I do take ownership of Republican lies since I have been a die hard conservative and Republican supporter for decades, and I do feel a responsibility to expose the lies they're telling. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 19, 2021 10:18:34 GMT -8
Strongly asserting something is a possibility is still not claiming it as fact. There is no "clear evidence" that what he is saying is false. You're just dismissing the evidence he provides. I'm curious how you feel about other commentators from other outlets such as MSNBC who make far more outlandish or actual lies denigrating people you disagree with? For instance, Rachel Maddow actually does lie on a regular basis to her viewers. Or is this kind of thing ok because it's coming from your tribe? He's manipulating his audience. He's playing them. He's presenting MISinformation, but couching it as strong opionins knowing that his audience will buy into whatever garbage he says. And, yes, you saw the link to just one site that debunks his lies and rhetoric. He DOES lie. A lot. Oh, by the way, I first registered to vote as a Republican in 1986. After January I re-registered as an Independent. I have no, "Tribe." I don't have a side in this debate. I do take ownership of Republican lies since I have been a die hard conservative and Republican supporter for decades, and I do feel a responsibility to expose the lies they're telling. Exactly, there is no independent "tribe". There is only one true cult/tribe in politics. Its the "dittos" mentality...which trump studied closely before running...its like candy from a baby. Why do you think he gave Limbaugh the medal of freedom?? |
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Post by azson on Nov 19, 2021 12:54:53 GMT -8
Just so you are aware, Politifact is a biased political organization claiming to be an unbiased "fact checker." I'm not going to go line by line to address all of these, but I'll just take the top claim as a sample. It says that Tucker claimed "Federal agents directly incited people on Jan. 6" and that this is "False." The problem is that he's never made that claim. The article itself reveals that Tucker asserts this is a possibility, but he never said definitively that this is the case. So why is the article claiming he did? The Politifact article goes on to assert "Tucker provides no evidence" for his suspicions. This again is false as Tucker indeed provides supporting information for his opinion. I'm certain you could go line by line and address each of these Politifact claims and find the same. Politifact is just one of hundreds of examples. You're defending someone whose own lawyers even know he's FOS: www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 19, 2021 13:04:42 GMT -8
Strongly asserting something is a possibility is still not claiming it as fact. There is no "clear evidence" that what he is saying is false. You're just dismissing the evidence he provides. I'm curious how you feel about other commentators from other outlets such as MSNBC who make far more outlandish or actual lies denigrating people you disagree with? For instance, Rachel Maddow actually does lie on a regular basis to her viewers. Or is this kind of thing ok because it's coming from your tribe? He's manipulating his audience. He's playing them. He's presenting MISinformation, but couching it as strong opionins knowing that his audience will buy into whatever garbage he says. And, yes, you saw the link to just one site that debunks his lies and rhetoric. He DOES lie. A lot. Oh, by the way, I first registered to vote as a Republican in 1986. After January I re-registered as an Independent. I have no, "Tribe." I don't have a side in this debate. I do take ownership of Republican lies since I have been a die hard conservative and Republican supporter for decades, and I do feel a responsibility to expose the lies they're telling. Well as soon as you can provide more examples of these "lies," I'd be happy to discuss further. Kind of amusing how you claim to be an independent thinker and can't acknowledge the blatant political partisanship of a website you use as evidence for your claim. Have you considered that maybe you're the one falling for misinformation? Or did Tucker steal your bike or something? |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 19, 2021 13:32:45 GMT -8
He's manipulating his audience. He's playing them. He's presenting MISinformation, but couching it as strong opionins knowing that his audience will buy into whatever garbage he says. And, yes, you saw the link to just one site that debunks his lies and rhetoric. He DOES lie. A lot. Oh, by the way, I first registered to vote as a Republican in 1986. After January I re-registered as an Independent. I have no, "Tribe." I don't have a side in this debate. I do take ownership of Republican lies since I have been a die hard conservative and Republican supporter for decades, and I do feel a responsibility to expose the lies they're telling. Well as soon as you can provide more examples of these "lies," I'd be happy to discuss further. Kind of amusing how you claim to be an independent thinker and can't acknowledge the blatant political partisanship of a website you use as evidence for your claim. Have you considered that maybe you're the one falling for misinformation? Or did Tucker steal your bike or something?  I stopped being a cult member when the Donald became the cult leader. Tucker Carlson is one of his key propaganda ministers. If you can't see that, well, it's because you WON'T see that. You don't want to. I get it. I was there, too, until Trump took over. He got me to step back, look at other sources, and find the facts for myself. Sometimes common sense comes in handy, too. When what Tucker says is absurd, chances are it's false. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 21, 2021 23:48:12 GMT -8
It just occurred to me that nobody has yet claimed that I am a Tucker Carlson fan. Have to count myself lucky, I guess. The fact is that some time ago I stopped watching his show. When he claimed that the Left under Biden would start a new war in the Middle East I gave up on him.
I am, as I suppose everybody knows, not a Biden fan. In general I don't like the Left's foreign policy positions, but they clearly have no stomach for starting a new war. Since Carlson is neither stupid nor uneducated, I strongly suspect that he knows damned well that nobody in this country wants to see Americans headed for new war zones.
AzWm
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 22, 2021 9:17:35 GMT -8
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 23, 2021 12:13:35 GMT -8
Sigh. Here we go again. This guy is "lying" because I disagree with his *opinions* grounded in rational speculation.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2021 12:17:44 GMT -8
Sigh. Here we go again. This guy is "lying" because I disagree with his *opinions* grounded in rational speculation. Carlson is not presenting opinions, he's presenting lies. There was no Antifa involvement. No BLM involvement. It was not run by the FBI or a, "False flag," operation. Those things have all been proven FALSE (thus, lies). And he's also painting those guilty of the insurrection as heroes. That's reprehensible. |
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Post by azson on Nov 23, 2021 13:17:05 GMT -8
Sigh. Here we go again. This guy is "lying" because I disagree with his *opinions* grounded in rational previously debunked, conspiracy theory speculation. FIFY. |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 23, 2021 13:39:39 GMT -8
I'm sure you have loads of PolitiFact and Snopes blurbs backing you up.
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 23, 2021 13:50:12 GMT -8
I'm sure you have loads of PolitiFact and Snopes blurbs backing you up. So, Obsidian Edge..why the love for this guy? You do realize he's a Swanson's dinner trust baby from La Jolla? How much time in his life do you think he has spent with people like his hard core listeners? And you think he's not spouting $#!+ on his show just to make fame and money? I can't be manipulated by anybody in media.. cause I know $#!+..think I'd come on here and say Rachel Maddow never bends the truth, or manipulates their audience? |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 23, 2021 14:18:16 GMT -8
I'm sure you have loads of PolitiFact and Snopes blurbs backing you up. So, Obsidian Edge..why the love for this guy? You do realize he's a Swanson's dinner trust baby from La Jolla? How much time in his life do you think he has spent with people like his hard core listeners? And you think he's not spouting $#!+ on his show just to make fame and money? I can't be manipulated by anybody in media.. cause I know $#!+..think I'd come on here and say Rachel Maddow never bends the truth, or manipulates their audience? I don't love Tucker Carlson. But I do respect that he offers a different opinion than every other mainstream commentator out there. And I just don't agree with how his claims have been characterized here. I did see him mislead his audience once. So believe me, I'm watching for that sort of thing. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 23, 2021 14:41:38 GMT -8
So, Obsidian Edge..why the love for this guy? You do realize he's a Swanson's dinner trust baby from La Jolla? How much time in his life do you think he has spent with people like his hard core listeners? And you think he's not spouting $#!+ on his show just to make fame and money? I can't be manipulated by anybody in media.. cause I know $#!+..think I'd come on here and say Rachel Maddow never bends the truth, or manipulates their audience? I don't love Tucker Carlson. But I do respect that he offers a different opinion than every other mainstream commentator out there. And I just don't agree with how his claims have been characterized here. I did see him mislead his audience once. So believe me, I'm watching for that sort of thing. Yes, it would be difficult to mislead "his audience"..Rush Limbaugh never misled his audience once! |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 23, 2021 15:05:02 GMT -8
I'm not a fan of Rush Limbaugh. I think Tucker is higher brow than that.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2021 15:45:40 GMT -8
I'm not a fan of Rush Limbaugh. I think Tucker is higher brow than that. As someone who listened to Rush throughout the 90's, I would disagree. Rush was just FAR more entertaining and had a much better sense of humor. Tucker's just an a-hole who is presenting misinformation in the attempt to get people angry enough to accept an insurrection and a full blown coup. Democracy? Who needs it?? |
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Post by azson on Nov 23, 2021 16:09:20 GMT -8
I'm sure you have loads of PolitiFact and Snopes blurbs backing you up. There's a plethora of evidence out there on Carlson and this BS conspiracy. It's crystal clear from your limited posting history that you're choosing to be disingenuous and obtuse, while offering zero counter evidence of your own. |
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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 23, 2021 16:35:11 GMT -8
I'm sure you have loads of PolitiFact and Snopes blurbs backing you up. There's a plethora of evidence out there on Carlson and this BS conspiracy. It's crystal clear from your limited posting history that you're choosing to be disingenuous and obtuse, while offering zero counter evidence of your own. Haha. Ya, I'm the one being "obtuse" and "disingenuous." You guys regurgitate garbage straight from mainstream media talking points with incredible disrespect against anyone who dares have a differing view. You offer 0 evidence for your own opinions or, when you do, it's some comical link to an absurdly biased source that an 8 year old could poke holes in. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 23, 2021 17:05:47 GMT -8
There's a plethora of evidence out there on Carlson and this BS conspiracy. It's crystal clear from your limited posting history that you're choosing to be disingenuous and obtuse, while offering zero counter evidence of your own. Haha. Ya, I'm the one being "obtuse" and "disingenuous." You guys regurgitate garbage straight from mainstream media talking points with incredible disrespect against anyone who dares have a differing view. You offer 0 evidence for your own opinions or, when you do, it's some comical link to an absurdly biased source that an 8 year old could poke holes in. I'm beginning to beleive you are about 15. just a hunch. |
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