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Post by aztecryan on Oct 24, 2021 19:49:14 GMT -8
This is a big, big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 10:28:49 GMT -8
I am very familiar with him, as CLE is my team.
It would be a solid hire. I won’t overstate it, but he is legit and well respected.
I do wonder why he wasn’t promoted in CLE when Calloway left tho.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 10:32:37 GMT -8
I find it interesting that Preller is obviously again picking assistants for the next manager. Was a bit of a problem the last two cycles and it had been reported that he would let his manager hire his own staff this time.
Washington isn’t being considered (which disappoints me), at this point I’m expecting Luis Rojas, Brad Ausmus or some other unproven manager who will agree to dance on the Strings that Czar Preller pulls.
Ego is a dangerous thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 10:34:09 GMT -8
Shildt would be an intriguing hire. I believe he was very well liked and respected in the clubhouse.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 25, 2021 11:18:04 GMT -8
I am very familiar with him, as CLE is my team. It would be a solid hire. I won’t overstate it, but he is legit and well respected. I do wonder why he wasn’t promoted in CLE when Calloway left tho. They created a position that didn't exist to keep him from getting poached. He interviewed for the Rangers pitching coach position in '19 and would be the pitching coach in Cleveland if it weren't for Willis being entrenched. He's a Calexico native, bilingual and has done a tremendous job on both the minor league and major league side. Not overstating anything.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 25, 2021 11:19:54 GMT -8
Niebla took a 26-year-old named Corey Kluber who was in Triple-A in 2012 and less than two years later, Kluber won the Cy Young Award and was a 7 WAR pitcher. Mike Clevinger was quoted months ago as saying Niebla "saved his career." Cleveland has produced the second best WAR total in baseball since 2012, behind only the Dodgers. The Padres are dead last in that timeframe, with an 80 WAR gap between the two franchises.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 25, 2021 11:33:16 GMT -8
Niebla took a 26-year-old named Corey Kluber who was in Triple-A in 2012 and less than two years later, Kluber won the Cy Young Award and was a 7 WAR pitcher. Mike Clevinger was quoted months ago as saying Niebla "saved his career." Cleveland has produced the second best WAR total in baseball since 2012, behind only the Dodgers. The Padres are dead last in that timeframe, with an 80 WAR gap between the two franchises. Kluber. Kluber. Hmmm, why does that name seem so familiar???
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 25, 2021 11:58:25 GMT -8
Niebla took a 26-year-old named Corey Kluber who was in Triple-A in 2012 and less than two years later, Kluber won the Cy Young Award and was a 7 WAR pitcher. Mike Clevinger was quoted months ago as saying Niebla "saved his career." Cleveland has produced the second best WAR total in baseball since 2012, behind only the Dodgers. The Padres are dead last in that timeframe, with an 80 WAR gap between the two franchises. Kluber. Kluber. Hmmm, why does that name seem so familiar??? Development systems matter and Cleveland has a pitching factory of sorts. 26-year-old pitchers really don't "pop" like Kluber did. Cleveland basically transformed his entire profile and I wholeheartedly believe he would not have been anywhere near as successful here.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 25, 2021 12:43:42 GMT -8
Kluber. Kluber. Hmmm, why does that name seem so familiar??? Development systems matter and Cleveland has a pitching factory of sorts. 26-year-old pitchers really don't "pop" like Kluber did. Cleveland basically transformed his entire profile and I wholeheartedly believe he would not have been anywhere near as successful here. How many pitchers have started in the Padres system, only to go to bigger and better things the last 10-15 years?
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 25, 2021 13:01:12 GMT -8
Development systems matter and Cleveland has a pitching factory of sorts. 26-year-old pitchers really don't "pop" like Kluber did. Cleveland basically transformed his entire profile and I wholeheartedly believe he would not have been anywhere near as successful here. How many pitchers have started in the Padres system, only to go to bigger and better things the last 10-15 years? A lot. The best thing this team can do is start plucking from the right organizations and this is the textbook example of that. Niebla's the perfect hire here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 14:08:09 GMT -8
I am very familiar with him, as CLE is my team. It would be a solid hire. I won’t overstate it, but he is legit and well respected. I do wonder why he wasn’t promoted in CLE when Calloway left tho. They created a position that didn't exist to keep him from getting poached. He interviewed for the Rangers pitching coach position in '19 and would be the pitching coach in Cleveland if it weren't for Willis being entrenched. He's a Calexico native, bilingual and has done a tremendous job on both the minor league and major league side. Not overstating anything. I am more familiar with the Indians organization than you are, but I wasn't accusing you of overstating anything. I said *I* won't. For the record, Willis is back with his second stint in Cleveland -- he came back only a few years ago when Callaway took the Mets manager job, at which point I thought Niebla might be promoted. Why he was not, I do not know -- maybe they thought there was more value in the role he had/had created. Niebla has paid his dues and if he gets the SD job, I think he would be a fantastic hire. How "big" of a deal it is, would remain to be seen. But of course, if it's Preller making the hire -- i am sure you'll co-sign on it with a major stamp of approval.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 14:09:24 GMT -8
Kluber. Kluber. Hmmm, why does that name seem so familiar??? Development systems matter and Cleveland has a pitching factory of sorts. 26-year-old pitchers really don't "pop" like Kluber did. Cleveland basically transformed his entire profile and I wholeheartedly believe he would not have been anywhere near as successful here. CLE is doing wonders w/ Quantrill now also.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 14:09:53 GMT -8
Niebla took a 26-year-old named Corey Kluber who was in Triple-A in 2012 and less than two years later, Kluber won the Cy Young Award and was a 7 WAR pitcher. Mike Clevinger was quoted months ago as saying Niebla "saved his career." Cleveland has produced the second best WAR total in baseball since 2012, behind only the Dodgers. The Padres are dead last in that timeframe, with an 80 WAR gap between the two franchises. Kluber. Kluber. Hmmm, why does that name seem so familiar??? Ryan Ludwick?
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 25, 2021 15:19:58 GMT -8
Development systems matter and Cleveland has a pitching factory of sorts. 26-year-old pitchers really don't "pop" like Kluber did. Cleveland basically transformed his entire profile and I wholeheartedly believe he would not have been anywhere near as successful here. CLE is doing wonders w/ Quantrill now also. Love Quantrill. Didn't like to see him go.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 25, 2021 19:11:27 GMT -8
They created a position that didn't exist to keep him from getting poached. He interviewed for the Rangers pitching coach position in '19 and would be the pitching coach in Cleveland if it weren't for Willis being entrenched. He's a Calexico native, bilingual and has done a tremendous job on both the minor league and major league side. Not overstating anything. I am more familiar with the Indians organization than you are, but I wasn't accusing you of overstating anything. I said *I* won't. For the record, Willis is back with his second stint in Cleveland -- he came back only a few years ago when Callaway took the Mets manager job, at which point I thought Niebla might be promoted. Why he was not, I do not know -- maybe they thought there was more value in the role he had/had created. Niebla has paid his dues and if he gets the SD job, I think he would be a fantastic hire. How "big" of a deal it is, would remain to be seen. But of course, if it's Preller making the hire -- i am sure you'll co-sign on it with a major stamp of approval. From a statistical perspective, it might be one of the biggest hires in franchise history, at least recent franchise history. Who makes the hire is irrelevant to me, it's about getting the best hire possible for the organization. Niebla's ability to connect with players is one of his best assets and that was sorely lacking under Larry Rothschild - There's a reason why the Padres have lagged behind in pitch design (Ryan Weathers, Emilio Pagán are just a couple of examples) and it's directly correlated to not having data incorporated with technology for players to see/improve on grips, movement, velocity, spin axis and other analytical traits.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 25, 2021 19:12:25 GMT -8
Development systems matter and Cleveland has a pitching factory of sorts. 26-year-old pitchers really don't "pop" like Kluber did. Cleveland basically transformed his entire profile and I wholeheartedly believe he would not have been anywhere near as successful here. CLE is doing wonders w/ Quantrill now also. His peripherals were basically the same with both organizations, but Cleveland is introducing him to some things he wasn't exposed to in the Padres organization.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 6:05:06 GMT -8
I am more familiar with the Indians organization than you are, but I wasn't accusing you of overstating anything. I said *I* won't. For the record, Willis is back with his second stint in Cleveland -- he came back only a few years ago when Callaway took the Mets manager job, at which point I thought Niebla might be promoted. Why he was not, I do not know -- maybe they thought there was more value in the role he had/had created. Niebla has paid his dues and if he gets the SD job, I think he would be a fantastic hire. How "big" of a deal it is, would remain to be seen. But of course, if it's Preller making the hire -- i am sure you'll co-sign on it with a major stamp of approval. From a statistical perspective, it might be one of the biggest hires in franchise history, at least recent franchise history. Who makes the hire is irrelevant to me, it's about getting the best hire possible for the organization. Niebla's ability to connect with players is one of his best assets and that was sorely lacking under Larry Rothschild - There's a reason why the Padres have lagged behind in pitch design (Ryan Weathers, Emilio Pagán are just a couple of examples) and it's directly correlated to not having data incorporated with technology for players to see/improve on grips, movement, velocity, spin axis and other analytical traits. 100% agreement, here. That being said, does it concern you that Preller had said the new manager would be able to hire his own staff? You see a trend here, right? Hopefully, Preller brought up Niebla's name in interviews w/ the candidates and received positive feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 6:09:11 GMT -8
CLE is doing wonders w/ Quantrill now also. His peripherals were basically the same with both organizations, but Cleveland is introducing him to some things he wasn't exposed to in the Padres organization. This is true. His K's per 9 have actually gone down a tad and his walk rate is slightly up in CLE. "The key to his success was his command of his slider. Though, according to an interview with The Athletic, Quantrill thinks of it as more of a cutter. I’ll let him explain his reasoning behind that: “I’m calling it a cutter, not sure it’s a stereotypical cutter. I’m just trying to change the plane of the slider a little bit and throw it harder, so I guess it’s a cutter,” the pitcher said. “It’s still a slider grip, but imagine that you’ve shifted your palm underneath the ball, rotated it back so it’s more square. Throwing it to a location more than I ever threw a slider to a location because the movement is more consistent, and I can do more with it.” In the month of July, Quantrill’s slider only accounted for 24.5% of his pitches, behind his sinker (28.7%) and his four-seam fastball (25.8%). Flash forward to September, during which the slider accounted for 40.3% of his pitches that month, pulling ahead of his sinker (34.9%) and his four-seam fastball (6.9%). His four-seamer was abominable in July, with opposing hitters batting .333 and slugging .619 against it, so the decision to decrease its usage makes complete sense. By the end of 2021, hitters were batting .204 and slugging .315 against his slider, which boasted a run value of -13 according to Baseball Savant. Just two years ago in San Diego, Quantrill’s slider had a run value of 2. The bottom also fell out on his slider in terms of horizontal movement, dropping from an average of 2.6 inches in 2020 to -2.7 inches in 2021. His improved slider almost certainly helped drive his stellar second half of the season, during which he allowed 19 earned runs over 88 innings, good for a 1.94 ERA. The question now is whether he can sustain this success. FanGraphs is not so sure, pointing to his .267 BABIP and 4.06 FIP as warning signs that he could be in store for a regression similar to what we saw from Zach Plesac this season. For now, we can at least appreciate the stability Quantrill provided a Guardians rotation that was unwatchable at times."
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 26, 2021 12:23:49 GMT -8
From a statistical perspective, it might be one of the biggest hires in franchise history, at least recent franchise history. Who makes the hire is irrelevant to me, it's about getting the best hire possible for the organization. Niebla's ability to connect with players is one of his best assets and that was sorely lacking under Larry Rothschild - There's a reason why the Padres have lagged behind in pitch design (Ryan Weathers, Emilio Pagán are just a couple of examples) and it's directly correlated to not having data incorporated with technology for players to see/improve on grips, movement, velocity, spin axis and other analytical traits. 100% agreement, here. That being said, does it concern you that Preller had said the new manager would be able to hire his own staff? You see a trend here, right? Hopefully, Preller brought up Niebla's name in interviews w/ the candidates and received positive feedback. Don't think it's a big deal at all. I would assume they are screening candidates and most managers don't hire their entire staff. When guys are available, get them.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 27, 2021 15:08:02 GMT -8
And it's official.
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