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Post by uwphoto on Jan 8, 2022 13:05:35 GMT -8
(Well, mandates don’t work so I didn’t say that…) Mandated masking and mandated vaccination/boost will help. Why are countries like Japan, Philippines or Hong Kong not seeing nearly the surge in cases under Omicron as us? We have a larger portion of society that doesn't want to vax or mask. That's not on Biden. ICU doctors and nurses will say the same thing all day long. It's about the unvacinated! I just don't get the antivaxers at all...and most follow the orange man. Funny thing is...he's vacinated!
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 8, 2022 17:08:05 GMT -8
Anecdotal but most of the people that I know who have not taken the vax have already had Covid and seemingly prefer to avoid the vax going forward. Doesn't seem to be about politics but personal health decisions. Apparently the CDC hasn't made the case, to them anyhow, as to the overwhelming advantages of the vaccines plus natural immunity. Fractional improvements in re-infection rates(?). And should these people be fired for their heinous "offense"?
And how would these people being unemployed reduce infection rates? Have we calculated the increased vax rates from the "threat" of losing a job versus not? And what of the negative effects of firing the affected soldiers, medical personnel, first responders, etc?
While these people are more susceptible to another bout with Covid in the near future but how are they more "dangerous" than the millions and millions who opted out of the annual flu shot before the pandemic? Because we are dealing with a CCP spawned "increase in function" superbug?
These people also know that there are therapeutics that would likely allow them to avoid serious illness if they ever did get it again, so it seems it is another reason why they don't fear Covid as much as they "should".
Also anecdotal is the fact that most of the people that I know who have had Covid more recently have also had their first round of Covid vaccines and one that I know, my brother, had already received the booster before getting sick with Covid. His symptoms were "seasonal flu" like and assume they were so because of the previous vaccine shots. All good but wasn't he communicable during his bout with Covid just like the unvaxxed (if they ever got it).
Given that people throughout the world will always be incubators for new Covid variants, at what point do we say "vax or don't vax at your own risk" (just like we do with the old annual flu shot)? After the 2nd, 3rd or 4th booster?
And please don't tell me that the Biden Admin's mandate is about him caring about our health and safety while he enables unknown and countless unvaxxed to spread throughout the country. Clearly the Mandate is about something else. Politics not our health and safety.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 8, 2022 19:58:44 GMT -8
Anecdotal but most of the people that I know who have not taken the vax have already had Covid and seemingly prefer to avoid the vax going forward. Doesn't seem to be about politics but personal health decisions. Apparently the CDC hasn't made the case, to them anyhow, as to the overwhelming advantages of the vaccines plus natural immunity. Fractional improvements in re-infection rates(?). And should these people be fired for their heinous "offense"? And how would these people being unemployed reduce infection rates? Have we calculated the increased vax rates from the "threat" of losing a job versus not? And what of the negative effects of firing the affected soldiers, medical personnel, first responders, etc? While these people are more susceptible to another bout with Covid in the near future but how are they more "dangerous" than the millions and millions who opted out of the annual flu shot before the pandemic? Because we are dealing with a CCP spawned "increase in function" superbug? These people also know that there are therapeutics that would likely allow them to avoid serious illness if they ever did get it again, so it seems it is another reason why they don't fear Covid as much as they "should". Also anecdotal is the fact that most of the people that I know who have had Covid more recently have also had their first round of Covid vaccines and one that I know, my brother, had already received the booster before getting sick with Covid. His symptoms were "seasonal flu" like and assume they were so because of the previous vaccine shots. All good but wasn't he communicable during his bout with Covid just like the unvaxxed (if they ever got it). Given that people throughout the world will always be incubators for new Covid variants, at what point do we say "vax or don't vax at your own risk" (just like we do with the old annual flu shot)? After the 2nd, 3rd or 4th booster? And please don't tell me that the Biden Admin's mandate is about him caring about our health and safety while he enables unknown and countless unvaxxed to spread throughout the country. Clearly the Mandate is about something else. Politics not our health and safety.It's about control as much as it's about anything else. This feels like it's turning into a repeat of the 1920's and Prohibition. There are a lot of parallels. Right after the Spanish Flu, the Prohibition movement gained a footing. Pandemics lead to increased amounts of authoritarianism and government control. Look at what happened with Trump at the end of his presidency? He tried to stage a coup and overthrow democracy. Look at what's happened with the Biden administration? He has the dubious distinction of being the first president to force citizens (via executive order) to undergo a medical procedure (or lose their job).
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Post by North County Aztec on Jan 9, 2022 15:19:30 GMT -8
(Well, mandates don’t work so I didn’t say that…) Mandated masking and mandated vaccination/boost will help. Why are countries like Japan, Philippines or Hong Kong not seeing nearly the surge in cases under Omicron as us? We have a larger portion of society that doesn't want to vax or mask. That's not on Biden. Change the channel. CNN/MSNBC will rot your brain. There are 19 countries that have more deaths per million than the USA and that’s not decrementing the inflated fake reported USA numbers. How many people in the world have died of Omicron? And yes, it is all on Biden. He was the one that said, he would stop Covid. He was the one that had a solution. It has been 3 days and there are CVS' out of test kits, home test kits are not available, as promised. Why didn't Biden plan of that? Joe said, this was going to be the winter of death. Where's the plan to prevent that? There is none. Joe is clueless and weak. If the previous administration can be blamed so can the current.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 9, 2022 16:31:29 GMT -8
Mandated masking and mandated vaccination/boost will help. Why are countries like Japan, Philippines or Hong Kong not seeing nearly the surge in cases under Omicron as us? We have a larger portion of society that doesn't want to vax or mask. That's not on Biden. Change the channel. CNN/MSNBC will rot your brain. There are 19 countries that have more deaths per million than the USA and that’s not decrementing the inflated fake reported USA numbers. How many people in the world have died of Omicron? And yes, it is all on Biden. He was the one that said, he would stop Covid. He was the one that had a solution. It has been 3 days and there are CVS' out of test kits, home test kits are not available, as promised. Why didn't Biden plan of that? Joe said, this was going to be the winter of death. Where's the plan to prevent that? There is none. Joe is clueless and weak. If the previous administration can be blamed so can the current. Go pound Ivermectin.
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Post by North County Aztec on Jan 9, 2022 17:33:13 GMT -8
Change the channel. CNN/MSNBC will rot your brain. There are 19 countries that have more deaths per million than the USA and that’s not decrementing the inflated fake reported USA numbers. How many people in the world have died of Omicron? And yes, it is all on Biden. He was the one that said, he would stop Covid. He was the one that had a solution. It has been 3 days and there are CVS' out of test kits, home test kits are not available, as promised. Why didn't Biden plan of that? Joe said, this was going to be the winter of death. Where's the plan to prevent that? There is none. Joe is clueless and weak. If the previous administration can be blamed so can the current. Go pound Ivermectin. I have, it works to the chagrin of the left.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 9, 2022 20:50:01 GMT -8
I have, it works to the chagrin of the left. Haha..I'm sure you also went with Mango Mouselini when he had the Caribbean witch doctor come to the White House to push hydroxychloroquine. That $#!+ is so crazy, you would have to watch the movie Idiocracy to see anything close. I'm sure the majority of the medical field agrees with you as well as Sarah Palin ("over my dead body"), Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Dr. Oz et al. You know, those with the most credibility.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 10, 2022 13:32:53 GMT -8
The CDC just reported that of a study of 1.2 million people who got vaccinated between Dec. 20 and Oct. 21, only 36 died of COVID and 189 were severely ill. 78% of those deaths/severe cases had four or more comorbidities.
Why are boosters being mandated? It's a joke.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 10, 2022 14:08:38 GMT -8
Good points made, but then you turn around make me question your sanity, it's as if you were on another planet during 2000. Obviously Joe/fed/state govts are making mistakes, hard to argue otherwise with this new wave - but to posit that anything is arguably worse than the idiocracy/wackadoodle of Trump's handling takes some serious mental gymnastics. This is to you and bnasty above. I am not going to quote case/hospital/death totals, because I don't believe a president really has much impact one way or the other on that. But using cases, I'm quite sure we lapped 2020 in like the last 4 weeks. To bnasty's point about states - I also don't believe that matters much, because there isn't any correlation between mandates, masking, etc and case counts, it's cyclical and seasonal, just like the flu. The correlation is much higher to weather. But using those metrics, compare case increases in Idaho, Arizona, Florida - whichever red state you prefer - to New York, DC, California etc... There is no difference. I know a lot of people want it to be true, but it just isn't I think Joe is doing worse because of policy he can control. Democrats currently have both houses of congress and the white house. You know what we had under one president that the other has ended? Eviction moratoriums, supplemented UI, higher child tax credits, student loan payment moratorium, direct stimulus payments... shall I go on? Even the CDC under Biden has told sick people to go back to work, because according to Fauci, if people are out of work for two weeks, the economy would stop functioning. So after 5 days from symptom onset, you have to go back to work? How is that following the science? It's not. And then crickets...
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 10, 2022 14:16:28 GMT -8
I have, it works to the chagrin of the left. Haha..I'm sure you also went with Mango Mouselini when he had the Caribbean witch doctor come to the White House to push hydroxychloroquine. That $#!+ is so crazy, you would have to watch the movie Idiocracy to see anything close. I'm sure the majority of the medical field agrees with you as well as Sarah Palin ("over my dead body"), Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Dr. Oz et al. You know, those with the most credibility. Look at the research on Ivermectin - it's been shown to reduce morbidity. journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx"Meta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence)." Look at the profit motives for Merck, who created Ivermectin. Merck has not funded clinical trials for Ivermectin in reducing COVID-19 comorbidity.Ivermectin is off patent (Merck makes nothing off of Ivermectin sales), and Merck developed Molnupiravir, a drug which was recently approved for EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) by the FDA for people with COVID-19. Notice how all of the Ivermectin studies done in clinical research trials (in the link that I provided) were done outside of the US?
The study that I linked to was a meta study of 15 different clinical trials, and none of them were done in the US.
There are several problems here. One is that most clinical trial research is funded by drug companies. Second is that the FDA is filled with a bunch of shills that used to work for the major Pharmaceutical companies. That's the same reason why it took forever for any clinical research to be done in studying the medicinal effects of Marijuana - it's not patentable.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 10, 2022 14:28:11 GMT -8
I have, it works to the chagrin of the left. Haha..I'm sure you also went with Mango Mouselini when he had the Caribbean witch doctor come to the White House to push hydroxychloroquine. That $#!+ is so crazy, you would have to watch the movie Idiocracy to see anything close. I'm sure the majority of the medical field agrees with you as well as Sarah Palin ("over my dead body"), Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Dr. Oz et al. You know, those with the most credibility. Take off your political sunglasses and see the light. Why in the hell is Ivermectin political? Who cares what medication people take as long as it works??Why the f x x x is the US not doing clinical studies on Ivermectin, but is doing studies on Patentable medications?This is a story of corporate greed and FDA complicity. It should not in any way be political.It's only being made political because Trump mentioned it in a tweet and people on the left started saying "Oh yeah, the nut job in the White House is saying to take this deworming medicine" Look, it really doesn't matter if it works or it doesn't. The bigger, primary point here, is: The FDA is corrupt, and the system for funding clinical research for medications in the US is deeply flawed, because it depends on pharmaceutical companies to fund the research. In combination with enormous financial incentives to use new patented drugs instead of existing generic medications, generic medications are not studied enough for off label uses.
Both Democrats and Republicans should be clamoring for a better clinical research system in this country. It is fundamentally flawed.
The FDA needs to be reformed as well.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 10, 2022 16:40:55 GMT -8
niapurenaturecom.wordpress.com/2021/10/25/ivermectin-vs-mercks-new-antiviral-molnupiravir/ How does somebody come to the point of seemingly hating a drug that clearly saved lives? Or seemingly hate those that endorsed the using of the therapeutic drugs that saved lives? If you recall, the standard of care for early COVID-19 was: Go home, incubate, get sick, and die if you must. But don’t call us until you are seriously ill. Fairly early on in the pandemic, some doctors felt they had achieved good results with repurposed drugs (~HCQ/AZM, Remdesivir, Ivermectin, etc) and believed they had ways to improve the mortality rates for patients with Covid (other than the method of waiting until it was almost too late before getting heroic). Many of these doctors were fired, censored, shunned or not allowed to treat patients. People died needlessly to satisfy what? The simple hatred of Trump for his calling for the use of therapeutics as a treatment before before the vaccines were available and before the therapeutics were 100% vetted. And what were these devilish drugs? Well known anti-viral drugs? Oh the humanity! If you were with Covid back then, would you prefer to be possibly getting nothing more than a sugar pill (placebo) or would you rather be sure to receive what the Frontline doctors suggested? How does the powers that be respond to this question: "How did the NIH and the FDA let this happen in the face of the evidence of efficacy of early treatment (by therapeutics)? How could they?" TDS applied, people died.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 10, 2022 16:58:30 GMT -8
niapurenaturecom.wordpress.com/2021/10/25/ivermectin-vs-mercks-new-antiviral-molnupiravir/ How does somebody come to the point of seemingly hating a drug that clearly saved lives? Or seemingly hate those that endorsed the using of the therapeutic drugs that saved lives? If you recall, the standard of care for early COVID-19 was: Go home, incubate, get sick, and die if you must. But don’t call us until you are seriously ill. Fairly early on in the pandemic, some doctors felt they had achieved good results with repurposed drugs (~HCQ/AZM, Remdesivir, Ivermectin, etc) and believed they had ways to improve the mortality rates for patients with Covid (other than the method of waiting until it was almost too late before getting heroic). Many of these doctors were fired, censored, shunned or not allowed to treat patients. People died needlessly to satisfy what? The simple hatred of Trump for his calling for the use of therapeutics as a treatment before before the vaccines were available and before the therapeutics were 100% vetted. And what were these devilish drugs? Well known anti-viral drugs? Oh the humanity! If you were with Covid back then, would you prefer to be possibly getting nothing more than a sugar pill (placebo) or would you rather be sure to receive what the Frontline doctors suggested? How does the powers that be respond to this question: "How did the NIH and the FDA let this happen in the face of the evidence of efficacy of early treatment (by therapeutics)? How could they?" TDS applied, people died. Wow, TDS! Why would anybody second guess the judgement of the reality show host? So I get it...you beleive the big lie as well. Credibility zero.
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Post by North County Aztec on Jan 10, 2022 18:18:12 GMT -8
I have, it works to the chagrin of the left. Haha..I'm sure you also went with Mango Mouselini when he had the Caribbean witch doctor come to the White House to push hydroxychloroquine. That $#!+ is so crazy, you would have to watch the movie Idiocracy to see anything close. I'm sure the majority of the medical field agrees with you as well as Sarah Palin ("over my dead body"), Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, Dr. Oz et al. You know, those with the most credibility. You lived down to expectations. Honestly, after reading several of your posts, it doesn't surprise me one bit. It is okay to die if a person dies the way the nose-ring crowd determines. I’m damn glad I’d don’t listen to foolish people, or I’d be dead today. Carry on, the fewer like that the better we’ll be. I'd hoped that I would get a halfway intelligent reply, luckily for me I didn't hold my breath.
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Post by North County Aztec on Jan 10, 2022 18:28:33 GMT -8
I'm sure and hope your opinion of me means nothing, likewise my opinion of you means less than nothing. There are few that are unwilling, unable to accept alternatives than a cemented ideology without considering possibilities other than your self-inflected indoctrination. If that's your world don't expect the un-brainwashed to accept it. Go ahead and unleash your childless replies. I do hope you know almost all your replies have violated Eric's mandates, but lucky for you there is a huge bias here. But it is ok with you that people die as long as they follow the rules, but OMG if they live because of an alternative effective treatment you have to slam them. That's very, very sad.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 10, 2022 20:16:30 GMT -8
From everything I've read, effective therapeutics would effectively crumble the legality of vaccination mandates, and would have also killed the EUA (based on predecent anyway).
Just a couple random dots, I'm sure.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 11, 2022 11:48:09 GMT -8
In the interest of continuing to point out hypocrisy and the galaxy brain world Democrats are living in…
In Washington D.C. (and I’m absolutely sure other places as well, this is just what jumped off the page today…), in order to enter any establishment, one is required to provide a Covid vaccination card AND a matching photo ID.
Democrats have spent years, if not decades, claiming that needing a photo ID for voting was racist and classist. Which it may very well be. But please I’m begging, just have some - an ounce - of moral consistency.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 11, 2022 12:09:35 GMT -8
In the interest of continuing to point out hypocrisy and the galaxy brain world Democrats are living in… In Washington D.C. (and I’m absolutely sure other places as well, this is just what jumped off the page today…), in order to enter any establishment, one is required to provide a Covid vaccination card AND a matching photo ID. Democrats have spent years, if not decades, claiming that needing a photo ID for voting was racist and classist. Which it may very well be. But please I’m begging, just have some - an ounce - of moral consistency. It has nothing to do with moral consistency. Voting is a basic human right - Entering an "establishment" is not. Disenfranchised voters, largely Democratic in nature, understand this concept. It's no coincidence that the GOP spends a large majority of their time trying to make the system harder to vote in. And if you want to talk about morals in general, this is hardly a Democrat only issue.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 11, 2022 19:53:14 GMT -8
I'm sure and hope your opinion of me means nothing, likewise my opinion of you means less than nothing. There are few that are unwilling, unable to accept alternatives than a cemented ideology without considering possibilities other than your self-inflected indoctrination. If that's your world don't expect the un-brainwashed to accept it. Go ahead and unleash your childless replies. I do hope you know almost all your replies have violated Eric's mandates, but lucky for you there is a huge bias here. But it is ok with you that people die as long as they follow the rules, but OMG if they live because of an alternative effective treatment you have to slam them. That's very, very sad. Hey, I hate to break this to you..but I have no opinion of you whatsoever. I dont know you, you don't know me. You must be a millennial, cause the boomers don't take offense on social media. We have, and had, a real life...not this virtual communication with strangers $#!+. I do this for entertainment only. Meanwhile, I have perhaps 150 people who are friends that I can call. Two are trumpers..and even they aren't taking Ivermectin.I know you've "done your own research"..but you are way in the minority...and thereby..on the fringe.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 12, 2022 8:51:04 GMT -8
In the interest of continuing to point out hypocrisy and the galaxy brain world Democrats are living in… In Washington D.C. (and I’m absolutely sure other places as well, this is just what jumped off the page today…), in order to enter any establishment, one is required to provide a Covid vaccination card AND a matching photo ID. Democrats have spent years, if not decades, claiming that needing a photo ID for voting was racist and classist. Which it may very well be. But please I’m begging, just have some - an ounce - of moral consistency. It has nothing to do with moral consistency. Voting is a basic human right - Entering an "establishment" is not. Disenfranchised voters, largely Democratic in nature, understand this concept. It's no coincidence that the GOP spends a large majority of their time trying to make the system harder to vote in. And if you want to talk about morals in general, this is hardly a Democrat only issue. Democrats want it easier to cheat at elections and nothing else. Look at the lawlessness that the Democrats enable at the border. That crime then often leads to the crime of identity theft with a fraudulent E-Verify. Or to tax avoidance as the illegals operate in the cash only economy. Do you think the Democrats enable all this lawlessness for the sake of their health? No, it is meant to do nothing other than to help them win elections in the future. Look at what they do with Union elections. They destroy the concept of the "Secret Ballot" with their "Card Check" method where Union leadership visits you and your family in your home and they ask you to vote in their presence (no coercion there eh?). If you vote with them, they collect your vote and turn it in for you. If you vote against them...does your ballot ever really make it to the ballot box? So now they want to enshrine ballot harvesting for the entire nation - a very similar practice. Imagine a paid party volunteer armed with Gift cards going into retirement homes, trailer parks, dorms, or apartment complexes, etc....and comes out with a landslide. At the state level, Democrats have consistently refused to (or slow roll) the purge of ineligible voters (~moved, dead, etc). It should be done completely before every 2 year election but it often waits years and years until a law suit is filed and won against them. Who gains from a outdated and overstated voter rolls when the barf-out of ballots occur? Gee...let me think? And then there is the recent flood of "private" funding into selected voting jurisdictions by uber leftist partisans (See the $419 Mill from the Zuckerbergs and their closely aligned Center for Technology and Civic Life and The Center for Election Innovation and Research). Look as where those "donations" were spent and the election results for those areas. Nothing to see here....move along. The GOP is good with early voting, mail in voting, etc. But it is somehow "suppression" to want the voter to be known with certainty and to be able to place their vote without coercion. As the truism goes, if you are having sex without contraception, then you are actually trying to get pregnant. And so it goes that if you are having elections without stopping voter fraud, then you are actually trying to commit voter fraud. And remember, voter fraud is as old as Democracy. They go hand in hand.
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