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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 26, 2022 11:32:11 GMT -8
From the CDC: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w"Across the entire study period, persons with vaccine- and infection-derived immunity had much lower rates of hospitalization compared with those in unvaccinated persons. These results suggest that vaccination protects against COVID-19 and related hospitalization and that surviving a previous infection protects against a reinfection. Importantly, infection-derived protection was greater after the highly transmissible Delta variant became predominant, coinciding with early declining of vaccine-induced immunity in many persons (5)." Should it be a firing offense to opt for natural immunity from Covid versus being additionally vaccinated when we don't even enforce/protect our own borders from people with Covid or from those immigrants who refuse to be vaccinated?
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 26, 2022 13:08:53 GMT -8
How Omicron Evades Natural Immunity, Vaccination, And Monoclonal Antibody Treatments" Omicron strongly evades natural infection. Current data suggests that those who have been previously infected have little to no protection against Omicron infection." "Those previously infected with earlier strains of the virus, contrary to our assumptions earlier in the pandemic, are able to be reinfected with Omicron and strains to come." "We previously predicted that SARS-CoV-2 would persist, continue to vary, and evade our natural and adaptive immune responses. We have also learned that S ARS-CoV-2 has the potential to become far more lethal than it is today. We reiterate that the sister of this virus, SARS-CoV, and its cousin, MERS-CoV, ranged between 10% and 30% lethality." www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/12/17/how-omicron-evades-natural-immunity-vaccination-and-monoclonal-antibody-treatments/?sh=3a5d8fcb60e0There is no natural immunity...those who are vaccinated and have a breakthrough infection are way better off than those who are not...the unvaccinated have to first survive the virus...and survive it again and again...like Russian Roulette....
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Post by azson on Jan 26, 2022 13:10:09 GMT -8
How Omicron Evades Natural Immunity, Vaccination, And Monoclonal Antibody Treatments "Omicron strongly evades natural infection. Current data suggests that those who have been previously infected have little to no protection against Omicron infection." "Those previously infected with earlier strains of the virus, contrary to our assumptions earlier in the pandemic, are able to be reinfected with Omicron and strains to come." "We previously predicted that SARS-CoV-2 would persist, continue to vary, and evade our natural and adaptive immune responses. We have also learned that SARS-CoV-2 has the potential to become far more lethal than it is today. We reiterate that the sister of this virus, SARS-CoV, and its cousin, MERS-CoV, ranged between 10% and 30% lethality." Link/source?
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 26, 2022 13:17:17 GMT -8
How Omicron Evades Natural Immunity, Vaccination, And Monoclonal Antibody Treatments "Omicron strongly evades natural infection. Current data suggests that those who have been previously infected have little to no protection against Omicron infection." "Those previously infected with earlier strains of the virus, contrary to our assumptions earlier in the pandemic, are able to be reinfected with Omicron and strains to come." "We previously predicted that SARS-CoV-2 would persist, continue to vary, and evade our natural and adaptive immune responses. We have also learned that SARS-CoV-2 has the potential to become far more lethal than it is today. We reiterate that the sister of this virus, SARS-CoV, and its cousin, MERS-CoV, ranged between 10% and 30% lethality." Link/source? How Omicron Evades Natural Immunity, Vaccination, And Monoclonal Antibody Treatments www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/12/17/how-omicron-evades-natural-immunity-vaccination-and-monoclonal-antibody-treatments/?sh=3a5d8fcb60e0
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 26, 2022 14:09:12 GMT -8
How Omicron Evades Natural Immunity, Vaccination, And Monoclonal Antibody Treatments" Omicron strongly evades natural infection. Current data suggests that those who have been previously infected have little to no protection against Omicron infection." "Those previously infected with earlier strains of the virus, contrary to our assumptions earlier in the pandemic, are able to be reinfected with Omicron and strains to come." "We previously predicted that SARS-CoV-2 would persist, continue to vary, and evade our natural and adaptive immune responses. We have also learned that S ARS-CoV-2 has the potential to become far more lethal than it is today. We reiterate that the sister of this virus, SARS-CoV, and its cousin, MERS-CoV, ranged between 10% and 30% lethality." www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/12/17/how-omicron-evades-natural-immunity-vaccination-and-monoclonal-antibody-treatments/?sh=3a5d8fcb60e0There is no natural immunity...those who are vaccinated and have a breakthrough infection are way better off than those who are not...the unvaccinated have to first survive the virus...and survive it again and again...like Russian Roulette.... " This data confirms the epidemiological observations that most fully doubly-vaccinated and triply-vaccinated individuals, including those with prior infection, are susceptible to infection by Omicron within three months of the last boost." So the vaccinated may too just have to be lucky enough to survive the Omicron and perhaps the next Covid variant. You say that the vaccinated are "better off" than the those who dealt with a previous Covid infection. I didn't see that in the article you linked. My previous article did imply that previous infection from COVID-19 conferred longer-lasting and more robust protection than vaccines against the Delta variant. So for Omicron, neither vaccination nor previous infection prevent re-infection, so where is the case for a firing offense? And why do we reward some who refuse to get vaccinated yet want to send out hunting parties out for others?
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 26, 2022 14:20:08 GMT -8
How Omicron Evades Natural Immunity, Vaccination, And Monoclonal Antibody Treatments" Omicron strongly evades natural infection. Current data suggests that those who have been previously infected have little to no protection against Omicron infection." "Those previously infected with earlier strains of the virus, contrary to our assumptions earlier in the pandemic, are able to be reinfected with Omicron and strains to come." "We previously predicted that SARS-CoV-2 would persist, continue to vary, and evade our natural and adaptive immune responses. We have also learned that S ARS-CoV-2 has the potential to become far more lethal than it is today. We reiterate that the sister of this virus, SARS-CoV, and its cousin, MERS-CoV, ranged between 10% and 30% lethality." www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/12/17/how-omicron-evades-natural-immunity-vaccination-and-monoclonal-antibody-treatments/?sh=3a5d8fcb60e0There is no natural immunity...those who are vaccinated and have a breakthrough infection are way better off than those who are not...the unvaccinated have to first survive the virus...and survive it again and again...like Russian Roulette.... " This data confirms the epidemiological observations that most fully doubly-vaccinated and triply-vaccinated individuals, including those with prior infection, are susceptible to infection by Omicron within three months of the last boost." So the vaccinated may too just have to be lucky enough to survive the Omicron and perhaps the next Covid variant. You say that the vaccinated are "better off" than the those who dealt with a previous Covid infection. I didn't see that in the article you linked. My previous article did imply that previous infection from COVID-19 conferred longer-lasting and more robust protection than vaccines against the Delta variant. So for Omicron, neither vaccination nor previous infection prevent re-infection, so where is the case for a firing offense? And why do we reward some who refuse to get vaccinated yet want to send out hunting parties out for others? How many times must people say this...YES...you can get infected while at the same freaking time being vaccinated...but...but...if you're vaccinated...you're most likely not to be hospitalized or die from the virus...that's what numerous articles and publications from credible sources have shown...that's even what you posted...if you're unvaccinated...you can catch Covid again...and there ain't no guarantee you will survive it: First Omicron Death In U.S.: Reinfection In Unvaccinated Man Who Previously Had Covid-19www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/22/first-omicron-death-in-us-reinfection-in-unvaccinated-man-who-previously-had-covid-19/?sh=5fe481253621That right there makes the vaccinated better off...the article you posted said so...it said if you are vaccinated and get Covid...you're better off...it said nothing about being unvaccinated and catching Covid...and not catching it again because you're immune to it...that's what you're implying but it is not based in fact...and you or anyone of your ilk has never provided anything from a credible source that says so.....
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Post by azson on Jan 26, 2022 14:49:04 GMT -8
" This data confirms the epidemiological observations that most fully doubly-vaccinated and triply-vaccinated individuals, including those with prior infection, are susceptible to infection by Omicron within three months of the last boost." So the vaccinated may too just have to be lucky enough to survive the Omicron and perhaps the next Covid variant. You say that the vaccinated are "better off" than the those who dealt with a previous Covid infection. I didn't see that in the article you linked. My previous article did imply that previous infection from COVID-19 conferred longer-lasting and more robust protection than vaccines against the Delta variant. So for Omicron, neither vaccination nor previous infection prevent re-infection, so where is the case for a firing offense? And why do we reward some who refuse to get vaccinated yet want to send out hunting parties out for others? How many times must people say this...YES...you can get infected while at the same freaking time being vaccinated...but...but...if you're vaccinated...you're most likely not to be hospitalized or die from the virus...that's what numerous articles and publications from credible sources have shown...that's even what you posted...if you're unvaccinated...you can catch Covid again...and there ain't no guarantee you will survive it: First Omicron Death In U.S.: Reinfection In Unvaccinated Man Who Previously Had Covid-19www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/22/first-omicron-death-in-us-reinfection-in-unvaccinated-man-who-previously-had-covid-19/?sh=5fe481253621That right there makes the vaccinated better off...the article you posted said so...it said if you are vaccinated and get Covid...you're better off...it said nothing about being unvaccinated and catching Covid...and not catching it again because you're immune to it...that's what you're implying but it is not based in fact...and you or anyone of your ilk has never provided anything from a credible source that says so..... I applaud your attempts but you're beating your head against the wall with these knuckleheads. I posted numerous links earlier this month (e.g. from the CDC) showing clear cut statistics regarding non-vaxed/vaxed/boosted infection/hospitalized/deaths rates - and the mental gymnastics these guys go through to be obtuse is mind-boggling.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 26, 2022 15:04:50 GMT -8
How many times must people say this...YES...you can get infected while at the same freaking time being vaccinated...but...but...if you're vaccinated...you're most likely not to be hospitalized or die from the virus...that's what numerous articles and publications from credible sources have shown...that's even what you posted...if you're unvaccinated...you can catch Covid again...and there ain't no guarantee you will survive it: First Omicron Death In U.S.: Reinfection In Unvaccinated Man Who Previously Had Covid-19www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/22/first-omicron-death-in-us-reinfection-in-unvaccinated-man-who-previously-had-covid-19/?sh=5fe481253621That right there makes the vaccinated better off...the article you posted said so...it said if you are vaccinated and get Covid...you're better off...it said nothing about being unvaccinated and catching Covid...and not catching it again because you're immune to it...that's what you're implying but it is not based in fact...and you or anyone of your ilk has never provided anything from a credible source that says so..... I applaud your attempts but you're beating your head against the wall with these knuckleheads. I posted numerous links earlier this month (e.g. from the CDC) showing clear cut statistics regarding non-vaxed/vaxed/boosted infection/hospitalized/deaths rates - and the mental gymnastics these guys go through to be obtuse is mind-boggling. We're doing God's work...and when you do that...it ain't to preach to the choir...it's to convince the hardened unbelievers to see the light...regardless of their want to do so...put the truth out there...and let them look the fool...
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 26, 2022 17:12:47 GMT -8
" This data confirms the epidemiological observations that most fully doubly-vaccinated and triply-vaccinated individuals, including those with prior infection, are susceptible to infection by Omicron within three months of the last boost." So the vaccinated may too just have to be lucky enough to survive the Omicron and perhaps the next Covid variant. You say that the vaccinated are "better off" than the those who dealt with a previous Covid infection. I didn't see that in the article you linked. My previous article did imply that previous infection from COVID-19 conferred longer-lasting and more robust protection than vaccines against the Delta variant. So for Omicron, neither vaccination nor previous infection prevent re-infection, so where is the case for a firing offense? And why do we reward some who refuse to get vaccinated yet want to send out hunting parties out for others? How many times must people say this...YES...you can get infected while at the same freaking time being vaccinated...but...but...if you're vaccinated...you're most likely not to be hospitalized or die from the virus...that's what numerous articles and publications from credible sources have shown...that's even what you posted...if you're unvaccinated...you can catch Covid again...and there ain't no guarantee you will survive it: First Omicron Death In U.S.: Reinfection In Unvaccinated Man Who Previously Had Covid-19www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/22/first-omicron-death-in-us-reinfection-in-unvaccinated-man-who-previously-had-covid-19/?sh=5fe481253621That right there makes the vaccinated better off...the article you posted said so...it said if you are vaccinated and get Covid...you're better off...it said nothing about being unvaccinated and catching Covid...and not catching it again because you're immune to it...that's what you're implying but it is not based in fact...and you or anyone of your ilk has never provided anything from a credible source that says so..... I am not saying that those who have previously dealt with Covid are immune to Covid. The data from Israel shows they have protection in the case described - a specific situation where there was better protection for the previously infected Covid patient (Delta Variant) than the vaccinated (for Delta). So, please tell me the compelling argument for firing the person who had recovered from the Delta variant and didn't want to take the Delta Variant Vaccine afterward? Is is because of Omicron? The variant that gets by the fully vaccinated as well? I am fully vaccinated and not previously ill from a Covid variant but I know people who have had Covid and are not getting any vaccinations for their own reasons. I just don't think they should be fired from their jobs for that decision. They know their risks. As does the over eater, the smoker, the alcoholic drinker, the sunbather, etc. And I still have not received any answer as to why some are willing to go after our citizens, some rather heroic, who do not want the vaccine or who are not "fully" vaccinated but also seek to give a pass to immigrants that are not vaccinated and some who do not want to be vaccinated? Oh wait...we should wait until the immigrants are in the Government or part of a 100+ employee company before we try to protect the rest of the country from them?
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 26, 2022 17:25:32 GMT -8
How many times must people say this...YES...you can get infected while at the same freaking time being vaccinated...but...but...if you're vaccinated...you're most likely not to be hospitalized or die from the virus...that's what numerous articles and publications from credible sources have shown...that's even what you posted...if you're unvaccinated...you can catch Covid again...and there ain't no guarantee you will survive it: First Omicron Death In U.S.: Reinfection In Unvaccinated Man Who Previously Had Covid-19www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/12/22/first-omicron-death-in-us-reinfection-in-unvaccinated-man-who-previously-had-covid-19/?sh=5fe481253621That right there makes the vaccinated better off...the article you posted said so...it said if you are vaccinated and get Covid...you're better off...it said nothing about being unvaccinated and catching Covid...and not catching it again because you're immune to it...that's what you're implying but it is not based in fact...and you or anyone of your ilk has never provided anything from a credible source that says so..... I am not saying that those who have previously dealt with Covid are immune to Covid. The data from Israel shows they have protection in the case described - a specific situation where there was better protection for the previously infected Covid patient (Delta Variant) than the vaccinated (for Delta). So, please tell me the compelling argument for firing the person who had recovered from the Delta variant and didn't want to take the Delta Variant Vaccine afterward? Is is because of Omicron? The variant that gets by the fully vaccinated as well? I am fully vaccinated and not previously ill from a Covid variant but I know people who have had Covid and are not getting any vaccinations for their own reasons. I just don't think they should be fired from their jobs for that decision. They know their risks. As does the over eater, the smoker, the alcoholic drinker, the sunbather, etc. And I still have not received any answer as to why some are willing to go after our citizens, some rather heroic, who do not want the vaccine or who are not "fully" vaccinated but also seek to give a pass to immigrants that are not vaccinated and some who do not want to be vaccinated? Oh wait...we should wait until the immigrants are in the Government or part of a 100+ employee company before we try to protect the rest of the country from them? " They know their risks. As does the over eater, the smoker, the alcoholic drinker, the sunbather, etc." The problem is that the virus is not just a personal risk like overeating and sun bathing...an individual with the virus risks other's health and welfare...just like the smoker does breathing cancerous smoke out his/her lungs onto another...therefore there are govt rules and regulations on where one can smoke...the alcoholic is fine at home...but not behind the wheel...why?...s/he threatens the health and welfare of others...so why can't you get through your head that breathing Covid from someone is no different?...the unvaccinated cost businesses money and productivity...they threaten the health and welfare of their fellow coworkers...there is no Constitutional right that compels an employer/business for allowing an individual to destroy the business... P.S. You can miss me with the culture war questions....
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 26, 2022 18:28:00 GMT -8
I am not saying that those who have previously dealt with Covid are immune to Covid. The data from Israel shows they have protection in the case described - a specific situation where there was better protection for the previously infected Covid patient (Delta Variant) than the vaccinated (for Delta). So, please tell me the compelling argument for firing the person who had recovered from the Delta variant and didn't want to take the Delta Variant Vaccine afterward? Is is because of Omicron? The variant that gets by the fully vaccinated as well? I am fully vaccinated and not previously ill from a Covid variant but I know people who have had Covid and are not getting any vaccinations for their own reasons. I just don't think they should be fired from their jobs for that decision. They know their risks. As does the over eater, the smoker, the alcoholic drinker, the sunbather, etc. And I still have not received any answer as to why some are willing to go after our citizens, some rather heroic, who do not want the vaccine or who are not "fully" vaccinated but also seek to give a pass to immigrants that are not vaccinated and some who do not want to be vaccinated? Oh wait...we should wait until the immigrants are in the Government or part of a 100+ employee company before we try to protect the rest of the country from them? " They know their risks. As does the over eater, the smoker, the alcoholic drinker, the sunbather, etc." The problem is that the virus is not just a personal risk like overeating and sun bathing...an individual with the virus risks other's health and welfare...just like the smoker does breathing cancerous smoke out his/her lungs onto another...therefore there are govt rules and regulations on where one can smoke...the alcoholic is fine at home...but not behind the wheel...why?...s/he threatens the health and welfare of others...so why can't you get through your head that breathing Covid from someone is no different?...the unvaccinated cost businesses money and productivity...they threaten the health and welfare of their fellow coworkers...there is no Constitutional right that compels an employer/business for allowing an individual to destroy the business... P.S. You can miss me with the culture war questions.... Don't know why you don't answer the question on the obvious hypocrisy involved but I can make a guess. So are you saying that gay men, who spread Hep C and HIV at rates higher than non gay men and women, should be fired from their jobs?
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Post by azteccc on Jan 31, 2022 18:31:48 GMT -8
Any of the more Democrat-sympathetic folks here catch ole Gavin Newsom/London Breed/Garcetti et al party this weekend at the NFC championship game?
Honest question - What goes through your head when you see it? When they so blatantly disregard the rules they try to enforce on others? Do you not ever question the “science” that you get filtered through these people?
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 31, 2022 19:55:16 GMT -8
Any of the more Democrat-sympathetic folks here catch ole Gavin Newsom/London Breed/Garcetti et al party this weekend at the NFC championship game? Honest question - What goes through your head when you see it? When they so blatantly disregard the rules they try to enforce on others? Do you not ever question the “science” that you get filtered through these people? Looks like they were in a booth? Probably came in masked. Just like any restaurant in California..once the eating and drinking starts, the masks come off. Unless you know a place where they dont?. Looks like any venue I've been in recently.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 31, 2022 20:25:34 GMT -8
Any of the more Democrat-sympathetic folks here catch ole Gavin Newsom/London Breed/Garcetti et al party this weekend at the NFC championship game? Honest question - What goes through your head when you see it? When they so blatantly disregard the rules they try to enforce on others? Do you not ever question the “science” that you get filtered through these people? Looks like they were in a booth? Probably came in masked. Just like any restaurant in California..once the eating and drinking starts, the masks come off. Unless you know a place where they dont?. Looks like any venue I've been in recently. I guess that answers my question in a roundabout way. Yes, about 70% of the places in downtown San Diego and 85% of the places in north park/pb stopped caring awhile ago. Summer maybe? It takes 1/3 of a functioning brain to realize the absolute ridiculousness that is the mask from door to table only rule. Didn’t look like Gavie boy was actively eating or drinking in those photos though. Ah well, I guess there will always be those to make excuses for the ruling class.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 31, 2022 21:21:16 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 31, 2022 21:35:53 GMT -8
Looks like they were in a booth? Probably came in masked. Just like any restaurant in California..once the eating and drinking starts, the masks come off. Unless you know a place where they dont?. Looks like any venue I've been in recently. I guess that answers my question in a roundabout way. Yes, about 70% of the places in downtown San Diego and 85% of the places in north park/pb stopped caring awhile ago. Summer maybe? It takes 1/3 of a functioning brain to realize the absolute ridiculousness that is the mask from door to table only rule. Didn’t look like Gavie boy was actively eating or drinking in those photos though. Ah well, I guess there will always be those to make excuses for the ruling class. Newsom basically said that he took his mask off as a favor to Magic Johnson in a photo op. He graces Magic Johnson with his full face presence in the photo. It was cringy how he said it. You're SUPPOSED to have the mask on during photos, and at all times, unless eating or drinking, especially if you're the Governor and are a supposed leader. It was ANOTHER bad look on his part.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 31, 2022 21:37:28 GMT -8
But back to Newsom. Yes, rules for the common folk, but not for the elite. That is how it always works.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Feb 1, 2022 10:26:57 GMT -8
But back to Newsom. Yes, rules for the common folk, but not for the elite. That is how it always works. This is all you right-wing fools have...stupid rhetoric...no policies...no solutions...just stupid talk and slogans...I'm all for you right-wingers not getting vaccinated...being in closed rooms with little ventilation...no masks...and shouting and screaming... Pro-Trump Counties Now Have Far Higher COVID Death Rates. Misinformation is to Blame"Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden." "NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.73 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates." By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rateSo power to ya'll... LET'S GO UNVACCINATED!!...the country is better off without your ignorance.....
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 1, 2022 10:30:54 GMT -8
Looks like they were in a booth? Probably came in masked. Just like any restaurant in California..once the eating and drinking starts, the masks come off. Unless you know a place where they dont?. Looks like any venue I've been in recently. I guess that answers my question in a roundabout way. Yes, about 70% of the places in downtown San Diego and 85% of the places in north park/pb stopped caring awhile ago. Summer maybe? It takes 1/3 of a functioning brain to realize the absolute ridiculousness that is the mask from door to table only rule. Didn’t look like Gavie boy was actively eating or drinking in those photos though. Ah well, I guess there will always be those to make excuses for the ruling class. I was gonna say..is that all you got? Newsome and Magic in a pic w/o a mask on..really? and you desperately want Ivermectin to be ok?..I get that actually.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 1, 2022 13:00:57 GMT -8
But back to Newsom. Yes, rules for the common folk, but not for the elite. That is how it always works. This is all you right-wing fools have...stupid rhetoric...no policies...no solutions...just stupid talk and slogans...I'm all for you right-wingers not getting vaccinated...being in closed rooms with little ventilation...no masks...and shouting and screaming... Pro-Trump Counties Now Have Far Higher COVID Death Rates. Misinformation is to Blame"Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden." "NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.73 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates." By comparison, 91% of Democrats are vaccinated. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rateSo power to ya'll... LET'S GO UNVACCINATED!!...the country is better off without your ignorance..... Bnasty definitely fits you. Wishing for people to die. Radical. Ok.
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